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Roger Gt wrote:
The Indians would war on their Neighbors for anything they wanted. Kill anyone who resisted and sell prisoners into slavery. Thanks, I wondered where the USA learnt to do that. Made a fine art of it now, haven't they? |
Anthony Matonak wrote:
Fred B. McGalliard wrote: "Anthony Matonak" wrote in message I think the main point is that solar PV is a technology that does not require massive infrastructure. It's something that can be done on an individual and distributed basis. The big power companies really don't have that much advantage over individuals. Sorry Anthony, but I think this is quite wrong. Solar PV requires a very large infrastructure to build, and a substantial infrastructure to maintain. I don't know about that. Solar PV can be used in any size from digital watches to powering hotels. [snip] The point is not whether or not they can be used, but whether or not they can be used economically and profitably. |
Anthony Matonak wrote:
Fred B. McGalliard wrote: "Anthony Matonak" wrote in message I think the main point is that solar PV is a technology that does not require massive infrastructure. It's something that can be done on an individual and distributed basis. The big power companies really don't have that much advantage over individuals. Sorry Anthony, but I think this is quite wrong. Solar PV requires a very large infrastructure to build, and a substantial infrastructure to maintain. I don't know about that. Solar PV can be used in any size from digital watches to powering hotels. [snip] The point is not whether or not they can be used, but whether or not they can be used economically and profitably. |
Watson A.Name \"Watt Sun - the Dark Remover\" wrote:
Anthony Matonak wrote: Fred B. McGalliard wrote: Sorry Anthony, but I think this is quite wrong. Solar PV requires a very large infrastructure to build, and a substantial infrastructure to maintain. I don't know about that. Solar PV can be used in any size from digital watches to powering hotels. [snip] The point is not whether or not they can be used, but whether or not they can be used economically and profitably. Oh, if that was the point then it's already been decided. Right now, solar PV is not economical or profitable except in niche applications not connected to the grid. Tomorrow... who knows? It does seem to be getting cheaper all the time. This, of course, has nothing to do with the question of "Is the profitable use of solar PV limited to big mega-corporations?" If we go back a couple of articles in this thread... KR Williams wrote: In article , box says... KR Williams wrote: My guess though, is that solar cells for the individual will never become cheaper than power from the grid, since the power company has access to the same technology and a *lot* better financing possibilities. ...and they don't have to have the pay- back in my lifetime. They have access to the tech, BUT, they also have to maintain the distribution system. ... All this is avoided cost on home solar. There is still a huge advantage of scale. Some technologies simply can not be affordably implemented on a small homeowner scale and for them to be used you need a big company or co-op. Solar PV is not in that category. The example of a solar powered radio shows this. It does not require huge resources to build, buy or maintain. The basic idea is that when it comes to solar PV installations there really isn't much advantage of scale. A huge installation will cost only slightly less per watt as a smaller one. Anthony |
Watson A.Name \"Watt Sun - the Dark Remover\" wrote:
Anthony Matonak wrote: Fred B. McGalliard wrote: Sorry Anthony, but I think this is quite wrong. Solar PV requires a very large infrastructure to build, and a substantial infrastructure to maintain. I don't know about that. Solar PV can be used in any size from digital watches to powering hotels. [snip] The point is not whether or not they can be used, but whether or not they can be used economically and profitably. Oh, if that was the point then it's already been decided. Right now, solar PV is not economical or profitable except in niche applications not connected to the grid. Tomorrow... who knows? It does seem to be getting cheaper all the time. This, of course, has nothing to do with the question of "Is the profitable use of solar PV limited to big mega-corporations?" If we go back a couple of articles in this thread... KR Williams wrote: In article , box says... KR Williams wrote: My guess though, is that solar cells for the individual will never become cheaper than power from the grid, since the power company has access to the same technology and a *lot* better financing possibilities. ...and they don't have to have the pay- back in my lifetime. They have access to the tech, BUT, they also have to maintain the distribution system. ... All this is avoided cost on home solar. There is still a huge advantage of scale. Some technologies simply can not be affordably implemented on a small homeowner scale and for them to be used you need a big company or co-op. Solar PV is not in that category. The example of a solar powered radio shows this. It does not require huge resources to build, buy or maintain. The basic idea is that when it comes to solar PV installations there really isn't much advantage of scale. A huge installation will cost only slightly less per watt as a smaller one. Anthony |
"Clifford Heath" wrote in message ... Roger Gt wrote: The Indians would war on their Neighbors for anything they wanted. Kill anyone who resisted and sell prisoners into slavery. Thanks, I wondered where the USA learnt to do that. Made a fine art of it now, haven't they? I wish. If they are making a profit in war, why is our debt load increasing so fast? |
"Clifford Heath" wrote in message ... Roger Gt wrote: The Indians would war on their Neighbors for anything they wanted. Kill anyone who resisted and sell prisoners into slavery. Thanks, I wondered where the USA learnt to do that. Made a fine art of it now, haven't they? I wish. If they are making a profit in war, why is our debt load increasing so fast? |
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On a sunny day (Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:11:38 -0700) it happened Anthony Matonak
wrote in : Watson A.Name \"Watt Sun - the Dark Remover\" wrote: Anthony Matonak wrote: Fred B. McGalliard wrote: Sorry Anthony, but I think this is quite wrong. Solar PV requires a very large infrastructure to build, and a substantial infrastructure to maintain. I don't know about that. Solar PV can be used in any size from digital watches to powering hotels. [snip] The point is not whether or not they can be used, but whether or not they can be used economically and profitably. Oh, if that was the point then it's already been decided. Right now, solar PV is not economical or profitable except in niche applications not connected to the grid. Tomorrow... who knows? It does seem to be getting cheaper all the time. This, of course, has nothing to do with the question of "Is the profitable use of solar PV limited to big mega-corporations?" I like it that the Dutch solar car went cross Australia in 3 days or so with an average of over 100 km/h last year. Now here is a very sensible application in a suitable 'solar' climate. Those photocells were the same as used by the European Space Agency. I would love to have a few square meters of those to play with. JP |
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