rickman wrote:
The post Announcing the 2016 Michigan QSO Party appeared first on KB6NUs
Ham Radio Blog.

To the moderators of rec.radio.amateur.moderated; Please stop posting
these blog echos here. I'd like to see this group be a useful place to
discuss homebrew equipment, but your posts drown out any useful content
that might happen.

Can't you stick to your own moderated group? You have managed to kill
it off with virtually no postings other than the blog echos you seem
obsessed with.

It appears you do not understand "moderated newsgroups"...

When someone, e.g. KB6NU, posts a message to multiple newsgroups that
include a moderated group, e.g.:
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated,rec.radio.amateur.home brew
the news posting software will recognize this and instead of posting
it will mail the message to the moderator of the moderated group, who
will then post the message in both groups.

So, when you see a multiposted message in a moderated and non-moderated
group, it will appear like it is being posted by the moderator, but in
reality there is someone else who has originally submitted the message.

In this case that may be KB6NU or someone else who likes to relay those
blog messages to usenet, but the poster is not necessarily related
to the moderator of the group.

On 4/8/2016 4:19 PM, Rob wrote:
rickman wrote:
The post Announcing the 2016 Michigan QSO Party appeared first on KB6NUs
Ham Radio Blog.

To the moderators of rec.radio.amateur.moderated; Please stop posting
these blog echos here. I'd like to see this group be a useful place to
discuss homebrew equipment, but your posts drown out any useful content
that might happen.

Can't you stick to your own moderated group? You have managed to kill
it off with virtually no postings other than the blog echos you seem
obsessed with.

It appears you do not understand "moderated newsgroups"...

When someone, e.g. KB6NU, posts a message to multiple newsgroups that
include a moderated group, e.g.:
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated,rec.radio.amateur.home brew
the news posting software will recognize this and instead of posting
it will mail the message to the moderator of the moderated group, who
will then post the message in both groups.

So, when you see a multiposted message in a moderated and non-moderated
group, it will appear like it is being posted by the moderator, but in
reality there is someone else who has originally submitted the message.

In this case that may be KB6NU or someone else who likes to relay those
blog messages to usenet, but the poster is not necessarily related
to the moderator of the group.


Incorrect on several counts. First of all, this is not a moderated
newsgroup. Second of all, if you look at the headers, it is NOT KB6NU
who is posting to the group - it is panix.com.

And even if this were a moderated newsgroup, moderation does NOT change
who the poster is. Otherwise all messages to a moderated newsgroup
would have the moderator's id. And even postings to unmoderated
newsgroups would have the moderator's id. This is proven false simply
because rickman's posting also went to r.r.a.m, yet it has his info as
the poster.

And finally, panix.com is well-known for taking blog postings off the
internet (not always with the poster's permission, which is a copyright
violation) and posting them in multiple newsgroups.

So it seems rickman is correct, and it is you who doesn't understand how
usenet works.


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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 4/8/2016 4:19 PM, Rob wrote:
rickman wrote:
The post Announcing the 2016 Michigan QSO Party appeared first on KB6NUs
Ham Radio Blog.

To the moderators of rec.radio.amateur.moderated; Please stop posting
these blog echos here. I'd like to see this group be a useful place to
discuss homebrew equipment, but your posts drown out any useful content
that might happen.

Can't you stick to your own moderated group? You have managed to kill
it off with virtually no postings other than the blog echos you seem
obsessed with.

It appears you do not understand "moderated newsgroups"...

When someone, e.g. KB6NU, posts a message to multiple newsgroups that
include a moderated group, e.g.:
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated,rec.radio.amateur.home brew
the news posting software will recognize this and instead of posting
it will mail the message to the moderator of the moderated group, who
will then post the message in both groups.

So, when you see a multiposted message in a moderated and non-moderated
group, it will appear like it is being posted by the moderator, but in
reality there is someone else who has originally submitted the message.

In this case that may be KB6NU or someone else who likes to relay those
blog messages to usenet, but the poster is not necessarily related
to the moderator of the group.


Incorrect on several counts. First of all, this is not a moderated
newsgroup. Second of all, if you look at the headers, it is NOT KB6NU
who is posting to the group - it is panix.com.

Apparently you did not even bother to read it... the messages are
posted to TWO newsgroups, one moderated and one not moderated. That
leads to the mechanism I describe.

Rob wrote:

Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 4/8/2016 4:19 PM, Rob wrote:
rickman wrote:
The post Announcing the 2016 Michigan QSO Party appeared first on KB6NUs
Ham Radio Blog.

To the moderators of rec.radio.amateur.moderated; Please stop posting
these blog echos here. I'd like to see this group be a useful place to
discuss homebrew equipment, but your posts drown out any useful content
that might happen.

Can't you stick to your own moderated group? You have managed to kill
it off with virtually no postings other than the blog echos you seem
obsessed with.

It appears you do not understand "moderated newsgroups"...

When someone, e.g. KB6NU, posts a message to multiple newsgroups that
include a moderated group, e.g.:
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated,rec.radio.amateur.home brew
the news posting software will recognize this and instead of posting
it will mail the message to the moderator of the moderated group, who
will then post the message in both groups.

So, when you see a multiposted message in a moderated and non-moderated
group, it will appear like it is being posted by the moderator, but in
reality there is someone else who has originally submitted the message.

In this case that may be KB6NU or someone else who likes to relay those
blog messages to usenet, but the poster is not necessarily related
to the moderator of the group.


Incorrect on several counts. First of all, this is not a moderated
newsgroup. Second of all, if you look at the headers, it is NOT KB6NU
who is posting to the group - it is panix.com.

Apparently you did not even bother to read it... the messages are
posted to TWO newsgroups, one moderated and one not moderated. That
leads to the mechanism I describe.

It *could* happen. Or, as I believe is the case, the originators could
(with the permission of the moderators!) include in the original message
the approval headers needed for its display in the moderated group,
bypassing any direct involvement of the group moderators. And bypassing
submission to the moderation email address.



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Roger Hayter

On 4/9/2016 4:19 AM, Rob wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 4/8/2016 4:19 PM, Rob wrote:
rickman wrote:
The post Announcing the 2016 Michigan QSO Party appeared first on KB6NUs
Ham Radio Blog.

To the moderators of rec.radio.amateur.moderated; Please stop posting
these blog echos here. I'd like to see this group be a useful place to
discuss homebrew equipment, but your posts drown out any useful content
that might happen.

Can't you stick to your own moderated group? You have managed to kill
it off with virtually no postings other than the blog echos you seem
obsessed with.

It appears you do not understand "moderated newsgroups"...

When someone, e.g. KB6NU, posts a message to multiple newsgroups that
include a moderated group, e.g.:
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated,rec.radio.amateur.home brew
the news posting software will recognize this and instead of posting
it will mail the message to the moderator of the moderated group, who
will then post the message in both groups.

So, when you see a multiposted message in a moderated and non-moderated
group, it will appear like it is being posted by the moderator, but in
reality there is someone else who has originally submitted the message.

In this case that may be KB6NU or someone else who likes to relay those
blog messages to usenet, but the poster is not necessarily related
to the moderator of the group.


Incorrect on several counts. First of all, this is not a moderated
newsgroup. Second of all, if you look at the headers, it is NOT KB6NU
who is posting to the group - it is panix.com.

Apparently you did not even bother to read it... the messages are
posted to TWO newsgroups, one moderated and one not moderated. That
leads to the mechanism I describe.


I did read it, and no, it did not lead to the mechanism you described.
Rickman's post was also to a moderated and a non-moderated newsgroup,
and did not show up as panix.com.

And you obviously did not even read my response.

So before you jump to conclusions and criticize others, you need to know
how things work.

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Rob wrote:

rickman wrote:
The post Announcing the 2016 Michigan QSO Party appeared first on KB6NUs
Ham Radio Blog.

To the moderators of rec.radio.amateur.moderated; Please stop posting
these blog echos here. I'd like to see this group be a useful place to
discuss homebrew equipment, but your posts drown out any useful content
that might happen.

Can't you stick to your own moderated group? You have managed to kill
it off with virtually no postings other than the blog echos you seem
obsessed with.

It appears you do not understand "moderated newsgroups"...

When someone, e.g. KB6NU, posts a message to multiple newsgroups that
include a moderated group, e.g.:
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated,rec.radio.amateur.home brew
the news posting software will recognize this and instead of posting
it will mail the message to the moderator of the moderated group, who
will then post the message in both groups.

So, when you see a multiposted message in a moderated and non-moderated
group, it will appear like it is being posted by the moderator, but in
reality there is someone else who has originally submitted the message.

In this case that may be KB6NU or someone else who likes to relay those
blog messages to usenet, but the poster is not necessarily related
to the moderator of the group.

Firstly we do know they are related and work together. Secondly, it is
the choice of moderators to allow cross-posts to their newsgroup: many
don't.

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Roger Hayter

On 4/8/2016 7:03 PM, Roger Hayter wrote:
Rob wrote:

rickman wrote:
The post Announcing the 2016 Michigan QSO Party appeared first on KB6NUs
Ham Radio Blog.

To the moderators of rec.radio.amateur.moderated; Please stop posting
these blog echos here. I'd like to see this group be a useful place to
discuss homebrew equipment, but your posts drown out any useful content
that might happen.

Can't you stick to your own moderated group? You have managed to kill
it off with virtually no postings other than the blog echos you seem
obsessed with.

It appears you do not understand "moderated newsgroups"...

When someone, e.g. KB6NU, posts a message to multiple newsgroups that
include a moderated group, e.g.:
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated,rec.radio.amateur.home brew
the news posting software will recognize this and instead of posting
it will mail the message to the moderator of the moderated group, who
will then post the message in both groups.

So, when you see a multiposted message in a moderated and non-moderated
group, it will appear like it is being posted by the moderator, but in
reality there is someone else who has originally submitted the message.

In this case that may be KB6NU or someone else who likes to relay those
blog messages to usenet, but the poster is not necessarily related
to the moderator of the group.

Firstly we do know they are related and work together. Secondly, it is
the choice of moderators to allow cross-posts to their newsgroup: many
don't.

I found my reply to the original message showed up in r.r.a.m, so either
the reply escaped moderation or the moderators have moderated their
policies on moderation. lol

I've sent messages before that attempted to discuss the nature of the
group and they were rejected because they were meta-discussions...
discussions about the mechanism of discussion.

I was actually trying to see if I could get some conversations going in
r.r.a.m and started with saying something like, "I don't see many
conversations here". That was the content that caused my post to be
rejected. I can see why no one posts in r.r.a.m. I don't get why they
need to trash r.r.a.h as well. It has a chance of getting useful
discussions going.

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Rick

On Sat, 9 Apr 2016, rickman wrote:

On 4/8/2016 7:03 PM, Roger Hayter wrote:
Rob wrote:

rickman wrote:
The post Announcing the 2016 Michigan QSO Party appeared first on KB6NUs
Ham Radio Blog.

To the moderators of rec.radio.amateur.moderated; Please stop posting
these blog echos here. I'd like to see this group be a useful place to
discuss homebrew equipment, but your posts drown out any useful content
that might happen.

Can't you stick to your own moderated group? You have managed to kill
it off with virtually no postings other than the blog echos you seem
obsessed with.

It appears you do not understand "moderated newsgroups"...

When someone, e.g. KB6NU, posts a message to multiple newsgroups that
include a moderated group, e.g.:
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated,rec.radio.amateur.home brew
the news posting software will recognize this and instead of posting
it will mail the message to the moderator of the moderated group, who
will then post the message in both groups.

So, when you see a multiposted message in a moderated and non-moderated
group, it will appear like it is being posted by the moderator, but in
reality there is someone else who has originally submitted the message.

In this case that may be KB6NU or someone else who likes to relay those
blog messages to usenet, but the poster is not necessarily related
to the moderator of the group.

Firstly we do know they are related and work together. Secondly, it is
the choice of moderators to allow cross-posts to their newsgroup: many
don't.

I found my reply to the original message showed up in r.r.a.m, so either the
reply escaped moderation or the moderators have moderated their policies on
moderation. lol

Yes, I was surprised your post appeared. My experience is that if they
reject it, the post is lost despite the cross-posting. So the reply just
disappears, unless it is approved. It's an odd situation, since they keep
telling us that cross-posting is allowed to the moderated newsgroup,
though nobody asked us, but if we gripe in response to their cross-posts,
chances are good the post disappears.

So I generally take out the moderated newsgroup when replying.

One of the things I've thought about doing is doing an "RFD" in the
newsgroup proposal newsgroup, about recalling the moderators to the
moderated newsgroup. Not that I care about them moderating that
newsgroup, but it would be an attempt to make them responsible for all the
junk they are posting.

Michael

Michael Black wrote:
Yes, I was surprised your post appeared. My experience is that if they
reject it, the post is lost despite the cross-posting. So the reply just
disappears, unless it is approved. It's an odd situation, since they keep
telling us that cross-posting is allowed to the moderated newsgroup,
though nobody asked us, but if we gripe in response to their cross-posts,
chances are good the post disappears.

That is because it works as I described: when you crosspost to multiple
groups with a moderated group amongst them, then entire post is sent to
the moderator who approves it and posts it in all the groups.

So when the moderator rejects the post for his moderated group, it will
also not appear in the crossposting groups over which the moderator has no
authority.

(unless he would chose to approve it and edit the moderated group out
of the Newsgroups list at that time)

On 4/11/2016 6:44 PM, Michael Black wrote:
On Sat, 9 Apr 2016, rickman wrote:

On 4/8/2016 7:03 PM, Roger Hayter wrote:
Rob wrote:

rickman wrote:
The post Announcing the 2016 Michigan QSO Party appeared first on
KB6NUs
Ham Radio Blog.

To the moderators of rec.radio.amateur.moderated; Please stop posting
these blog echos here. I'd like to see this group be a useful
place to
discuss homebrew equipment, but your posts drown out any useful
content
that might happen.

Can't you stick to your own moderated group? You have managed to kill
it off with virtually no postings other than the blog echos you seem
obsessed with.

It appears you do not understand "moderated newsgroups"...

When someone, e.g. KB6NU, posts a message to multiple newsgroups that
include a moderated group, e.g.:
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.moderated,rec.radio.amateur.home brew
the news posting software will recognize this and instead of posting
it will mail the message to the moderator of the moderated group, who
will then post the message in both groups.

So, when you see a multiposted message in a moderated and non-moderated
group, it will appear like it is being posted by the moderator, but in
reality there is someone else who has originally submitted the message.

In this case that may be KB6NU or someone else who likes to relay those
blog messages to usenet, but the poster is not necessarily related
to the moderator of the group.

Firstly we do know they are related and work together. Secondly, it is
the choice of moderators to allow cross-posts to their newsgroup: many
don't.

I found my reply to the original message showed up in r.r.a.m, so
either the reply escaped moderation or the moderators have moderated
their policies on moderation. lol

Yes, I was surprised your post appeared. My experience is that if they
reject it, the post is lost despite the cross-posting. So the reply
just disappears, unless it is approved. It's an odd situation, since
they keep telling us that cross-posting is allowed to the moderated
newsgroup, though nobody asked us, but if we gripe in response to their
cross-posts, chances are good the post disappears.

So I generally take out the moderated newsgroup when replying.

One of the things I've thought about doing is doing an "RFD" in the
newsgroup proposal newsgroup, about recalling the moderators to the
moderated newsgroup. Not that I care about them moderating that
newsgroup, but it would be an attempt to make them responsible for all
the junk they are posting.

Michael

That might not be a bad idea, Michael.

A couple of years ago I got an email from them asking if I wanted to be
a moderator. I didn't even bother responding.

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