Paul Burridge wrote:

The power company run a line to my house. They supply me with
electricity. This amounts to a 230V, 65A facility at the distribution
board in a cupboard under the stairs.

!!!!!

I run all my stuff from that
board. The board contains several RCBOs that trip-out in the event of
any leakage current being sensed. If current in = current out; they're
happy and won't trip. Because they don't trip out, I conclude I don't
use any current.
The voltage supplied is 230VAC RMS.

!!!!!

Since this is alternating between
equal positive and negative half-cycles, the average level of this
voltage supply is zero.
I use no current and they effectively supply no voltage. Why do I get
billed for electricity usage when I clearly can't have used any?

I hope you should know the answer. It involves a square term.

Have you tried measuring the voltage.

No European countries run on 230V to the best of my knowledge.


Graham

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:27:45 +0000, Pooh Bear
wrote:

No European countries run on 230V to the best of my knowledge.

British mains electricity used to be 240V, until the EU spit!
'harmonised' the level across EUrope to 230V. Unless of course, you
know better....
--

"What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793.

Paul Burridge wrote:
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:27:45 +0000, Pooh Bear
wrote:

No European countries run on 230V to the best of my knowledge.

British mains electricity used to be 240V, until the EU spit!
'harmonised' the level across EUrope to 230V. Unless of course, you
know better....

I do. The UK is still 240. They didn't change the voltage, only what
they said the voltage was. Its a Yes-Minister one.

Kevin Aylward

http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

"Kevin Aylward" wrote in message
. ..
Paul Burridge wrote:
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:27:45 +0000, Pooh Bear
wrote:

No European countries run on 230V to the best of my knowledge.

British mains electricity used to be 240V, until the EU spit!
'harmonised' the level across EUrope to 230V. Unless of course, you
know better....

I do. The UK is still 240. They didn't change the voltage, only what
they said the voltage was. Its a Yes-Minister one.
It has changed a _little_ in some places. The switch was from 240v, with
tighter +/- margins, to 230v, with larger margins. The margin allowed, was
large enough, to include a normally set up 240v, or 220v system in a
country. However some areas of the network were outside these margins, and
have gradually been replaced, and on new areas, the tap change voltages,
are now designed to be closer to 230v, than 240v.
If you have incoming power monitoring equipment, you will find that
typically the voltage has fallen by a couple of volts over the last few
years.

Best Wishes

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:29:08 GMT, Kevin Aylward wrote:

Paul Burridge wrote:
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:27:45 +0000, Pooh Bear
wrote:

No European countries run on 230V to the best of my knowledge.

British mains electricity used to be 240V, until the EU spit!
'harmonised' the level across EUrope to 230V. Unless of course, you
know better....

I do. The UK is still 240. They didn't change the voltage, only what
they said the voltage was. Its a Yes-Minister one.

The mains here has come down a little, it used to average around 247 before
"harmonisation", it's now averages 243. During sh**/shave/shower time it
drops marginally under 240, and again during evening meal time.

--
Duncan Munro
http://www.duncanamps.com/

Paul Burridge wrote:

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:27:45 +0000, Pooh Bear
wrote:

No European countries run on 230V to the best of my knowledge.

British mains electricity used to be 240V, until the EU spit!
'harmonised' the level across EUrope to 230V. Unless of course, you
know better....

The only thing that actually *changed* was a bit of paper.


Graham

Paul Burridge wrote:

The power company run a line to my house. They supply me with
electricity. This amounts to a 230V, 65A facility at the
distribution
board in a cupboard under the stairs. I run all my stuff
from that
board. The board contains several RCBOs that trip-out in
the event of
any leakage current being sensed. If current in = current
out; they're
happy and won't trip. Because they don't trip out, I
conclude I don't
use any current.

No, you're simply not permitting it to go to ground.
Neatness counts.

The voltage supplied is 230VAC RMS. Since this is
alternating between
equal positive and negative half-cycles, the average
level of this
voltage supply is zero.

Yup. It better be zero.

I use no current and they effectively supply no voltage.
Why do I get
billed for electricity usage when I clearly can't have
used any?

Except you slowed down the electrons on their way through
your appliances (made them do work). Speed them back up (do
work on them) and you'll see a zero bill except for the
minimum line-maintenance fees, of course.

Mark L. Fergerson

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:42:19 +0000, Paul Burridge wrote:

The power company run a line to my house. They supply me with
electricity. This amounts to a 230V, 65A facility at the distribution
board in a cupboard under the stairs. I run all my stuff from that
board. The board contains several RCBOs that trip-out in the event of
any leakage current being sensed. If current in = current out; they're
happy and won't trip. Because they don't trip out, I conclude I don't
use any current.
The voltage supplied is 230VAC RMS. Since this is alternating between
equal positive and negative half-cycles, the average level of this
voltage supply is zero.
I use no current and they effectively supply no voltage. Why do I get
billed for electricity usage when I clearly can't have used any?


Well, if this isn't a gag, then you have to pay because of the
effort required to shove all those electrons down the electron tube
to your house, and scoop them all up from the ground when they
come back.

The guy that operates the crank refuses to work for free.

Cheers!
Rich

Paul Burridge wrote in message . ..

I use no current and they effectively supply no voltage. Why do I get
billed for electricity usage when I clearly can't have used any?

Because if you don't they'll turn off their non-voltage and
non-current and you won't like the difference (even though there isn't
any).

On 14 Nov 2004 12:35:00 -0800, (Mike Silva)
wrote:

Paul Burridge wrote in message . ..

I use no current and they effectively supply no voltage. Why do I get
billed for electricity usage when I clearly can't have used any?

Because if you don't they'll turn off their non-voltage and
non-current and you won't like the difference (even though there isn't
any).

You're probably right. Sigh... I still think I'm a dumbass sucker,
though. But at least no one seems to agree with me on that.

--

"What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793.