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Old January 31st 05, 10:49 PM
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I gather I can build a loop of wire that resonates at 60KHz, put it in
my attic, and it will reradiate the signal. Does that sound right?
Won't it have to be big - the wavelength at 60KHz is 5000 meters!


It will create a resonant field and concentrate the 60KHz energy in your
house.

You can use a multi-turn loop. Square, 4-turns, maybe 2M per side and an
AM tuning capacitor.

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Just a construction hint. For a neat multi-turn rx loop you could consider
ribbon cable as used in computing gear .
Some time ago ,at a fleamarket I bought a roll of 100 ft (30.5 metres) of 15
leads wide ribbon cable.

Example : To make a 4 turns loop as above you would need 2*4 equals 8 metres
of 8 lead ribbon cable using end of lead 1 and 8 as ends of the loop , join
ends of lead 2 and 3 , 4 and 5 , 6 and 7.
Although the ribbon leads multi-strand overall diameter is only 0.2 - 0.3 mm
,it should be OK for rx purposes.

Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH



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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:49:21 GMT, "Highland Ham"
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Example : To make a 4 turns loop as above you would need 2*4 equals 8 metres
of 8 lead ribbon cable using end of lead 1 and 8 as ends of the loop , join
ends of lead 2 and 3 , 4 and 5 , 6 and 7.


Loops made of multi conductor cables in this way tend to have a very
large capacitance between turns and in the worst case the loop will
have a self resonance frequency below the desired frequency band. Even
if the self resonance is above the desired band, the amount of
external tuning capacitance is greatly reduced.

When a wide ribbon cable is available, it can be a good idea to use
only every other lead and let the intermediate leads floating to
reduce the capacitance between turns.

Paul OH3LWR

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Old February 1st 05, 02:58 PM
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Example : To make a 4 turns loop as above you would need 2*4 equals 8

metres
of 8 lead ribbon cable using end of lead 1 and 8 as ends of the loop ,

join
ends of lead 2 and 3 , 4 and 5 , 6 and 7.


Loops made of multi conductor cables in this way tend to have a very
large capacitance between turns and in the worst case the loop will
have a self resonance frequency below the desired frequency band. Even
if the self resonance is above the desired band, the amount of
external tuning capacitance is greatly reduced.

When a wide ribbon cable is available, it can be a good idea to use
only every other lead and let the intermediate leads floating to
reduce the capacitance between turns.

Paul OH3LWR

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Paul , Tnx for the above advice ,although for a loop made with flat multi
ribbon to be tuned to 60 kHz , the self-resonance freq will highly likely be
higher than 60 kHz . The ribbon I have is 15 leads wide ,hence for higher
freqs I could leave out every other lead .
Tnx again , this is good education .

Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH



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Old February 1st 05, 09:31 PM
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Beyond 3 or 4 turns on a single-layer coil, the coil's resonant
self-capacitance is not very much related to capacitance between adjacent
turns.

This is because the individual between-turn capacitances are all in series
with each other and the resultant rapidly decreaes.

For a 10 turn coil the end-to-end capacitance due to adjacent turns is only
1/10th of the individual turn-to-turn capacitance.

Coil self-capacitance soon becomes a linear function only of coil diameter
and length of the coil former.

It's rather complicated but the resulting self capacitance is much smaller
and the resonant frequency is higher than what you think it might be just by
considering the individual turn-to-turn capacitances.
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Reg, G4FGQ



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