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John Smith wrote:
I have been toying with pen and paper... It looks like like the grid circuit to the 6CW4 could have an isolation capacitor inserted to remove and DC bias from the gate of the replacement fet. And, the plate of the 6CW4 circuit could have the B+ side of the rf xfrmr moved to a low volage supply (perhaps rectify and filter a 12v AC heater supply to supply the new voltage.) And, a proper bias supply constructed to supply a necessary bias to the gate... And, ideas? Regards, John "John Smith" wrote in message ... Anyone ever replaced a 6CW4 Nuvistor with a fet or other transistor? Got a schematic? Idea of one? I've seen works on "transistorizing" tube radios, but the characteristics of tubes and transistors are sufficiently different that in general you have to approach this on a case by case basis. So while I don't think you have any hope of making a plug-in compatible 6CW4 replacement, I _do_ think that you could often use most of a circuit designed for a 6CW4 with some other device. Having said all that, I would probably either buy another 6CW4, or design & build a new circuit inspired by the old. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com |
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Yes, that is exactly what is occuring here, a "new" circuit is being
designed... and, a turns ratio change may have to be contemplated in the drain circuit (existing rf transformer)--not the gate circuit, that existing circuit, decoupled through an isolating cap should be just fine (the fet is a high input impedance device)--this is the front end of a receiver, the actual signal levels here are low... But, I am interested, what roadblocks do you see to "I don't think you have any hope of making a plug-in compatible 6CW4 replacement..." ????? Warmest regards, John "Tim Wescott" wrote in message ... John Smith wrote: I have been toying with pen and paper... It looks like like the grid circuit to the 6CW4 could have an isolation capacitor inserted to remove and DC bias from the gate of the replacement fet. And, the plate of the 6CW4 circuit could have the B+ side of the rf xfrmr moved to a low volage supply (perhaps rectify and filter a 12v AC heater supply to supply the new voltage.) And, a proper bias supply constructed to supply a necessary bias to the gate... And, ideas? Regards, John "John Smith" wrote in message ... Anyone ever replaced a 6CW4 Nuvistor with a fet or other transistor? Got a schematic? Idea of one? I've seen works on "transistorizing" tube radios, but the characteristics of tubes and transistors are sufficiently different that in general you have to approach this on a case by case basis. So while I don't think you have any hope of making a plug-in compatible 6CW4 replacement, I _do_ think that you could often use most of a circuit designed for a 6CW4 with some other device. Having said all that, I would probably either buy another 6CW4, or design & build a new circuit inspired by the old. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com |
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I should have mentioned the freqs in question are under 30 Mhz... even a
junkbox fet should do it! Regards, John "John Smith" wrote in message ... Yes, that is exactly what is occuring here, a "new" circuit is being designed... and, a turns ratio change may have to be contemplated in the drain circuit (existing rf transformer)--not the gate circuit, that existing circuit, decoupled through an isolating cap should be just fine (the fet is a high input impedance device)--this is the front end of a receiver, the actual signal levels here are low... But, I am interested, what roadblocks do you see to "I don't think you have any hope of making a plug-in compatible 6CW4 replacement..." ????? Warmest regards, John "Tim Wescott" wrote in message ... John Smith wrote: I have been toying with pen and paper... It looks like like the grid circuit to the 6CW4 could have an isolation capacitor inserted to remove and DC bias from the gate of the replacement fet. And, the plate of the 6CW4 circuit could have the B+ side of the rf xfrmr moved to a low volage supply (perhaps rectify and filter a 12v AC heater supply to supply the new voltage.) And, a proper bias supply constructed to supply a necessary bias to the gate... And, ideas? Regards, John "John Smith" wrote in message ... Anyone ever replaced a 6CW4 Nuvistor with a fet or other transistor? Got a schematic? Idea of one? I've seen works on "transistorizing" tube radios, but the characteristics of tubes and transistors are sufficiently different that in general you have to approach this on a case by case basis. So while I don't think you have any hope of making a plug-in compatible 6CW4 replacement, I _do_ think that you could often use most of a circuit designed for a 6CW4 with some other device. Having said all that, I would probably either buy another 6CW4, or design & build a new circuit inspired by the old. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com |
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John Smith wrote:
Yes, that is exactly what is occuring here, a "new" circuit is being designed... and, a turns ratio change may have to be contemplated in the drain circuit (existing rf transformer)--not the gate circuit, that existing circuit, decoupled through an isolating cap should be just fine (the fet is a high input impedance device)--this is the front end of a receiver, the actual signal levels here are low... But, I am interested, what roadblocks do you see to "I don't think you have any hope of making a plug-in compatible 6CW4 replacement..." ????? Even though a FET and a tube bear superficial resemblances, the FET is a much lower impedance device, with different restrictions on allowable gate (grid) voltage, drain (plate) voltage, source (cathode) currents, etc. The interelectrode capacitances are, in general, markedly different and the whole FET circuit operates at a markedly different impedance level than the tube circuit does. If that weren't enough the mechanisms by which the tube gain drops off as frequency increases is different than those for the FET, and the general circuit behavior of the two changes differently as a function of frequency. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com |
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Yes, and most of that would be taken care of just by choosing an "rf fet" as
compared to an "audio fet." At least in the circuit I am looking at, the 6cw4 is operating at in input impedance of ~500K-1 meg--the fet circuit will of course, expect 1 meg--no sweat for a even a cheap rf fet... As mentioned, the blocking cap removes all question of danger of HV bias (I will supply the bias--most likely though a resistor bias arangement (perhaps clamping it with a diode if there is any danger of damage), and the power supply mentioned removes all danger of high B+ voltage... This 6cw4 is the preamp in a frontend, signal levels are very low, there is a buffer stage following, with an amp behind that... certainly a signal level compatible with a small signal fet... The 6cw4 is a "hybrid" device... I am looking for a datasheet on it now, I think replacement will go quickly and be simple, probably not even requiring revamping of the rf xfrmr on the drain (will revamp if noticible degrade in preformance....) I was just hoping someone had walked this path before and could speed my way and hold my hand.... At this point, I am simply wondering, "Why hasn't someone done this before!" Is there a big call for these devices? Perhaps I can build them and market them on Ebay... grin Warmest regards, John "Tim Wescott" wrote in message ... John Smith wrote: Yes, that is exactly what is occuring here, a "new" circuit is being designed... and, a turns ratio change may have to be contemplated in the drain circuit (existing rf transformer)--not the gate circuit, that existing circuit, decoupled through an isolating cap should be just fine (the fet is a high input impedance device)--this is the front end of a receiver, the actual signal levels here are low... But, I am interested, what roadblocks do you see to "I don't think you have any hope of making a plug-in compatible 6CW4 replacement..." ????? Even though a FET and a tube bear superficial resemblances, the FET is a much lower impedance device, with different restrictions on allowable gate (grid) voltage, drain (plate) voltage, source (cathode) currents, etc. The interelectrode capacitances are, in general, markedly different and the whole FET circuit operates at a markedly different impedance level than the tube circuit does. If that weren't enough the mechanisms by which the tube gain drops off as frequency increases is different than those for the FET, and the general circuit behavior of the two changes differently as a function of frequency. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com |
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"John Smith" wrote in message ... Yes, and most of that would be taken care of just by choosing an "rf fet" as compared to an "audio fet." At least in the circuit I am looking at, the 6cw4 is operating at in input impedance of ~500K-1 meg--the fet circuit will of course, expect 1 meg--no sweat for a even a cheap rf fet... As mentioned, the blocking cap removes all question of danger of HV bias (I will supply the bias--most likely though a resistor bias arangement (perhaps clamping it with a diode if there is any danger of damage), and the power supply mentioned removes all danger of high B+ voltage... This 6cw4 is the preamp in a frontend, signal levels are very low, there is a buffer stage following, with an amp behind that... certainly a signal level compatible with a small signal fet... The 6cw4 is a "hybrid" device... I am looking for a datasheet on it now, I think replacement will go quickly and be simple, probably not even requiring revamping of the rf xfrmr on the drain (will revamp if noticible degrade in preformance....) I was just hoping someone had walked this path before and could speed my way and hold my hand.... At this point, I am simply wondering, "Why hasn't someone done this before!" Is there a big call for these devices? Perhaps I can build them and market them on Ebay... grin Warmest regards, John Hi John, Guess I'm just a boatanchor fan and would leave the circuits alone- especially if there is no improvement in functionality. Dale W4OP |
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well, that is fine, however if you don't have a 6cw4 this fix would be a God
send... I don't know of anyone making them anymore, like the gold, the timber, the water, and like oil, an end will come... But these rigs can still live on... Regards, John "Dale Parfitt" wrote in message news:2nhbe.3058$Yc.2448@trnddc06... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Yes, and most of that would be taken care of just by choosing an "rf fet" as compared to an "audio fet." At least in the circuit I am looking at, the 6cw4 is operating at in input impedance of ~500K-1 meg--the fet circuit will of course, expect 1 meg--no sweat for a even a cheap rf fet... As mentioned, the blocking cap removes all question of danger of HV bias (I will supply the bias--most likely though a resistor bias arangement (perhaps clamping it with a diode if there is any danger of damage), and the power supply mentioned removes all danger of high B+ voltage... This 6cw4 is the preamp in a frontend, signal levels are very low, there is a buffer stage following, with an amp behind that... certainly a signal level compatible with a small signal fet... The 6cw4 is a "hybrid" device... I am looking for a datasheet on it now, I think replacement will go quickly and be simple, probably not even requiring revamping of the rf xfrmr on the drain (will revamp if noticible degrade in preformance....) I was just hoping someone had walked this path before and could speed my way and hold my hand.... At this point, I am simply wondering, "Why hasn't someone done this before!" Is there a big call for these devices? Perhaps I can build them and market them on Ebay... grin Warmest regards, John Hi John, Guess I'm just a boatanchor fan and would leave the circuits alone- especially if there is no improvement in functionality. Dale W4OP |
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