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Old March 4th 06, 01:48 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.homebrew
Harold E. Johnson
 
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I see the SD5000 is still listed on Calogic's website
http://www.calogic.net/html/dmos.html Is the SD5000
still widely available? The search engines turn up a
lot of data but very few suppliers. Perhaps a ring of
discrete MOSFETs or a fast switch IC like the FST3125
might be a better choice.

73, Ed. EI9GQ.


GM Ed. Certainly a better choice when it comes to conversion loss. I've
built a half dozen SD5000 mixers and although at least one of them managed a
measured +50 dBm Ip3, (G3SBI measured it not me!) I never managed to get the
conversion loss below 9 dB and more often 10. Conversely, the 3125/ family
readily does 4.8 dB conversion loss thanks to the very respectable Rds on.
REALLY simplifies things in the front end department, to at least 30 MHz,
with attention paid to the front end filters, you can get away without an RF
amplifier.

Regards
W4ZCB


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Old March 19th 06, 12:33 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.homebrew
Gian
 
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GM Ed. Certainly a better choice when it comes to conversion loss. I've
built a half dozen SD5000 mixers and although at least one of them managed a
measured +50 dBm Ip3, (G3SBI measured it not me!) I never managed to get the
conversion loss below 9 dB and more often 10. Conversely, the 3125/ family
readily does 4.8 dB conversion loss thanks to the very respectable Rds on.
REALLY simplifies things in the front end department, to at least 30 MHz,
with attention paid to the front end filters, you can get away without an RF
amplifier.

Regards
W4ZCB


Hi all,

Harold, W4ZCB, has given some "comments" on the H-Mode Mixer that are
REAL and TRUE.
G3SBI has removed the mixer from the stages that are critical on a
receiver and in the CDG2000 project it was demonstrated the IMD due to
passive components like core of coils. The FST3125 fast bus switch has
lowered the conversion loss of the H-Mode Mixer and made the RX front
end "hot", although not reaching the IP3 of +50dBm it still has plenty
of +dBm to give ...around +40dBm!You can permit yourself to add a xtal
filter behind the h-mode mixer and still getting high numbers on IP3.

If you are looking for a low consumption and simple mixer you may go OK
with the classic NE/SA602 and similar ones. BUT ... if you are looking
for high performance you need the H-Mode Mixer in the 3 transformer
G3SBI or the 2 transformer I7SWX configurations.
The H-Mode Mixer has been tested on downconversion (CDG2000, STAR
projects) and also on upconversion projects (I7SWX). For upconversion I
have devised a new squarer using LVDS and test it at IF of 35 to 70 MHz
(and 100MHz) with conversion loss around -5dbm and IP3 between +35 to
+40dBm (3.3V FST3125).
The H-Mode Mixer has been tested for RF input up to 50MHz in RX and
converter to 27-28MHz IF.
At 144MHz it performs like a standard diode db mixer having a conv loss
around -8dB. The input limit is due to the internal gates timing and
unbalancing as the FST3125 may have a bandwidth between 300 to 400MHz.
For those interested I may suggest a visit to JA9TTT web page where he
has reported measurement on both G3SBI and I7SWX versions using the
74AC86 squarer with balance adjustment. The comments are in japanese
but a translator is making the reading understandable :
ja9ttt.homedns.org/. I have posted a copy in my web page
www.qsl.net/i7swx in the subdirectory homebrewing. JA9TTT page permits
to enlarge the spectrum analyzer screen pictures.
I have also developed a 1 transformer double balance
mixer/demodulator/modulator using the FST3125 and 74AC/HC86 squarer
with an IP3 of around +25dBm.
Notes on the H-Mode Mixers and 1T DBM have been reported in RadCom,
G3VA's Technical Topics column.
For those interested on more detailed information I can make available
notes in English and Italian. Please write to my e-mail address:.

73

Gian
I7SWX
F5VGU
W1-I7SWX
G-QRP #10241
I QRP #571

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Old March 20th 06, 07:24 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.homebrew
JJ
 
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What is the IP3 of a typical dual gate MOSFET mixer?
One can also use HC4066 or 4053 as the switching element at lower freqs.

JJ
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Old March 21st 06, 10:41 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.homebrew
Giancarlo Gian Moda, I7SWX
 
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Default mixer: DBM or dual gate mosfet?

What is the IP3 of a typical dual gate MOSFET mixer?
One can also use HC4066 or 4053 as the switching element at lower
freqs.

JJ


I really do not know what is the IP3 of a DG Mosfet as I never have
seen any value reported. I hope some readers may have data on this.
Certainly we have to look at IIP3 and OIP3 as the DGM mixer may have
high conversion gain 15-20dB and is somewhat limited in dynamic range.
Maybe it could have an OIP3 around +5dBm equivalent to an IIP3 of -10
to -20dBm .... more or less similar to the NE602.
The DGM mixer was a common mixer in the first series of transistorized
RTX with valves PA (FT101Z, TS820 etc). The DGM has a good square law,
better than JFET.

74HC4066 is OK at low frequency conversion but it has a haigh
conversion loss, around 8-10dB and so associated noise figure.

Today the switched mixer should use fast bus switches like the FST3125
family when looking at high performance mixers. The examples are the
CDG 2000 and STAR (Pic-A-Star) projects with IP3 around +40dBm and
+36dBm, where the H-Mode Mixer with FST3125 is used.

73

Gian
I7SWX

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