Hi Everyone,

I hope to get my technician license for the first time in a month or
two, and I've been thinking of setting-up shop in the garage once I
start getting some radios and equipment.

Some questions though, the garage is on the corner of our brick house
with one smaller window (facing front of house), two walls are interior
walls with other two being exterior (one having garage door).

My thought is if I insulate the attic and the one exterior wall without
the garage door then replace my aging garage door with a better sealing
one, that should do the trick -- right? As for heating and cooling,
i'm in central texas, and our summers do get hot. I don't think our
A/C in the house could pump out enough cool air to cool an additional
430sqft, so any suggestions for that? The only window is on front of
house, so don't want to use window unit. I have a radiant heater I've
used in there for winter, and it works well.

Thanks for any suggestions or ideas ... we don't park our cars in the
garage, and I hope to build a small shead in the back yard for the
mowers and such -- so that's 430sqft of space that's going to waste.

Thanks again and take care ---

Alex

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:31:26 -0700, Alex wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I hope to get my technician license for the first time in a month or
two, and I've been thinking of setting-up shop in the garage once I
start getting some radios and equipment.

Some questions though, the garage is on the corner of our brick house
with one smaller window (facing front of house), two walls are interior
walls with other two being exterior (one having garage door).

Andy: my answer is completely lateral thinking, but if for some reason the
whole ham shcak thing at your home doesn't work out what about HF/VHF
mobile from your car (with A/C of course), or join your local ham radio
club that has its own station. I know from experience that many club
stations often get very little use!

Good luck with your solutions...
Larry VE7EA

I am in Central Oklahoma. It is a little cooler in Oklahoma but not
much.

I built a garage shack a couple years ago. I framed a 9 x 9 room and
insulated the ceiling and outside walls. I sheet rocked, texturized and
painted the inside. One side is a rib-high workbench with shelves for
parts, tools and my test gear. I was more concerned with the workspace
but left room for an operating position on an opposite wall.

Check Ace Hardware's portable air conditioners. I have a roll-around
that vents into the garage and sits in one corner on wheels. I am
considering adding the house system at some time as the main unit is 3
feet from the room. However, the portable is better than I expected.
These units can be purchased with heaters too.

I decided to make the room permanent. It is airtight and heats and
cools well. But simple plywood and insulation would provide a good
start.
Very temporary walls could be build but in my case I wanted a solid
door. Also, a couple 100W light bulbs keep the room decent the whole
winter at 60 deg or above.

I also have intake air drawn from a less unused portion of the house
with a small one way dryer vent when I used the airconditioner. Not
real efficient but I don't see the effect on my electric bill.

A little more complex but lets me use the shop during the hottest parts
of the summer days.

I had always wanted a secluded room/shop of my own and I have been real
happy with it. I build tube gear and its most enjoyable on those cold
winter nights when no heater is needed with 21 tubes blazing away.

BTW, in my old house I merely put some heavy cloth material around the
bench in the winter and used a small space heater. Totally unsafe but I
was younger, dumber.....and luckier.

K5UOS

Alex wrote:
Hi Everyone,

I hope to get my technician license for the first time in a month or
two, and I've been thinking of setting-up shop in the garage once I
start getting some radios and equipment.

Some questions though, the garage is on the corner of our brick house
with one smaller window (facing front of house), two walls are interior
walls with other two being exterior (one having garage door).

My thought is if I insulate the attic and the one exterior wall without
the garage door then replace my aging garage door with a better sealing
one, that should do the trick -- right? As for heating and cooling,
i'm in central texas, and our summers do get hot. I don't think our
A/C in the house could pump out enough cool air to cool an additional
430sqft, so any suggestions for that? The only window is on front of
house, so don't want to use window unit. I have a radiant heater I've
used in there for winter, and it works well.

Thanks for any suggestions or ideas ... we don't park our cars in the
garage, and I hope to build a small shead in the back yard for the
mowers and such -- so that's 430sqft of space that's going to waste.

Thanks again and take care ---

Alex

Garage doors lack insulation, but you can do something about that.
I live in South Florida, and while it doesn't get as hot as in Texas,
it does get hot. We added insulation to our metal garage door in the
form of Styrofoam insulating panels slipped into the inside of the door
ducktaped in place. Fiberglass insulation with the cardboard backing
would work as well. (Which has the better R value??). You might have
to re-balance the door after adding the insulation, but in our case
the garage door opener didn't seem to care and isn't straining. The
insulation lowered the temperature in the garage during the summer by
at least 10 degrees F.

Garage doors lack insulation, but you can do something about that.
I live in South Florida, and while it doesn't get as hot as in Texas,
it does get hot. We added insulation to our metal garage door in the
form of Styrofoam insulating panels slipped into the inside of the door
ducktaped in place. Fiberglass insulation with the cardboard backing
would work as well. (Which has the better R value??). You might have
to re-balance the door after adding the insulation, but in our case
the garage door opener didn't seem to care and isn't straining. The
insulation lowered the temperature in the garage during the summer by
at least 10 degrees F.
================================
Normally this would be OT in this NG ,but mentioning styrofoam =
polystyrene , it is veeeeeeeeeeeeeeery flammable and if used in an
enclosed environment ,people inside would be in real trouble when a fire
broke out. Insulating material should be fireproof or at least flame
retardent while not emitting toxic/suffocating fumes.

Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH

Highland Ham wrote:
Garage doors lack insulation, but you can do something about that.
I live in South Florida, and while it doesn't get as hot as in Texas,
it does get hot. We added insulation to our metal garage door in the
form of Styrofoam insulating panels slipped into the inside of the door
ducktaped in place. Fiberglass insulation with the cardboard backing
would work as well. (Which has the better R value??). You might have
to re-balance the door after adding the insulation, but in our case
the garage door opener didn't seem to care and isn't straining. The
insulation lowered the temperature in the garage during the summer by
at least 10 degrees F.
================================
Normally this would be OT in this NG ,but mentioning styrofoam =
polystyrene , it is veeeeeeeeeeeeeeery flammable and if used in an
enclosed environment ,people inside would be in real trouble when a fire
broke out. Insulating material should be fireproof or at least flame
retardent while not emitting toxic/suffocating fumes.

Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH


Andy comments:
My garage door is of the insulated type. It has some sort of
fiberglass stuff
like you get in those 4x2 ceiling tiles.... It is redundant and I
think more of a
sales gimmick than any real barrier to heat transfer.....

Regarding roll around air conditioners..... I like the idea a lot,
but they
are very very very expensive compared to a vanilla window unit....
Home Depot sells a window unit here for about $80 USD while the
cheapest
roll around I have seen is over $300 USD for about the same size....
A crafty ham would buy a window unit and then build a little roll
around
cabinet with some dryer vent hoses to make his own. After all, most of

the fun is building stuff, even if it doesn't look like a "finished"
product.....

( I am a big fan of The Red Green Show :)))) )

I am doing something like that in my attic ---- running the intake
duct
from the cooler garage below and the air exits into the attic, which is
already
hot so a little more heat won't matter..... Not a roll around, but a
ducted
cabinet....... But then I have nothing better to do all day except to
mess
around with this stuff .... probly not a great idea for everybody, tho.
I go thru a lot of duct tape..........

Just my dos centavos.....

Andy in Eureka, Texas W4OAH

Highland Ham wrote:
Garage doors lack insulation, but you can do something about that.
I live in South Florida, and while it doesn't get as hot as in Texas,
it does get hot. We added insulation to our metal garage door in the
form of Styrofoam insulating panels slipped into the inside of the door
ducktaped in place. Fiberglass insulation with the cardboard backing
would work as well. (Which has the better R value??). You might have
to re-balance the door after adding the insulation, but in our case
the garage door opener didn't seem to care and isn't straining. The
insulation lowered the temperature in the garage during the summer by
at least 10 degrees F.
================================
Normally this would be OT in this NG ,but mentioning styrofoam =
polystyrene , it is veeeeeeeeeeeeeeery flammable and if used in an
enclosed environment ,people inside would be in real trouble when a fire
broke out. Insulating material should be fireproof or at least flame
retardent while not emitting toxic/suffocating fumes.

Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH
Styrofoam type insulating material that is designed for the purpose is
made in a fire-retardant form. You have to buy the material made for
the purpose!!!

I spent several years in my teens using my dad's Heathkit SB-102 rig out in
the garage in Fort Worth. Yes, it does get hot around here during the
summer, make no mistake about it. I'm a night owl by nature, and I can't
count how many times I worked DX until the sun came up.

Pros and Cons:

* Keep the garage door open, and open the back door as well to let air flow
through. Cheap, but effective only during the day. At night, june bugs and
other critters are attracted by the interior lights and will make life
miserable for you. (I'll never forget one on-air conversation when a june
bug flew right down my shirt. "WHAAAAUUUGH!!!") These days, unfortunately,
it's not wise to leave your garage door open unattended because some *@#$
might come in and steal all of your power tools. (Bitter experience.) Or
worse.

* Our garage had a VERY good wall-mounted air conditioner. It worked
beautifully, even during the long, crushingly hot summer of 1980. In fact,
it saved my parents' bacon when the house's main A/C unit failed and it took
a couple of days to get it fixed. Mom & Dad just backed the car out of the
garage, plopped down a mattress, turned on the wall-mounted A/C, and slept
in cool comfort. [I'm sure Dad woke up each morning wondering, "What did
she do to the bedroom now?"] Nice backup to have. I could work 40 meters
all night long without worrying about the heat or the bugs.

* The garage also served as a nice workshop, complete with parts cabinets,
two workbenches, and lots of tools. Easy to try out new RF circuits
quickly.

I like the tornado-shelter idea. It's smaller and easier to keep cool.
Also easier to secure valuable equipiment.

"Alex" wrote in message
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If you are set on the garage, the insulated door will do wonders. I replaced
my old wooden door with plenty of holes and spider access, and it was the
best thing I ever did lately!! I can work in the garage with a couple of
fans running. It can get cold here in western NC, but in fairness I must
mention that my garage and shack is downstairs and partially underground.

Another suggestion to consider is one I used in a previous house: a spare
closet! I put a desk in the closet with a hutch. There was enough room for
all the radios, and when I was thru radio-ing, I could push the chair inside
the closet and close the bi-fold doors! No one was the wiser!! People could
come visit us in the den and never know there was a fully stocked radio room
on the premises! My wife always joked about putting me in the basement, the
dog house, or a closet. Now it was TRUE!

73

Jerry