I was considering another question and in a bout of laziness I figured
I'd ask the group and not spend a few hours reading Part 97 trying to
figure it out...

I use my assigned call sign to ID myself when operating my station,
but what if I'm operating a station that's not mine? Can I just
provide my call as identification or do I need to include the
station's call too?

What FCC rule(s) speak to this situation?

I'm guessing that I have to provide the ID of the station I'm
operating and my call being the control operator but what is the
accepted format for that for the various modes: CW, Phone, Etc?

-= bob =-

"KC4UAI" wrote in message
...

I was considering another question and in a bout of laziness I figured
I'd ask the group and not spend a few hours reading Part 97 trying to
figure it out...

I use my assigned call sign to ID myself when operating my station,
but what if I'm operating a station that's not mine? Can I just
provide my call as identification or do I need to include the
station's call too?

What FCC rule(s) speak to this situation?

I'm guessing that I have to provide the ID of the station I'm
operating and my call being the control operator but what is the
accepted format for that for the various modes: CW, Phone, Etc?

-= bob =-


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EXPLAINS IT ALL

Lamont

On Dec 13, 4:33 pm, "The Shadow" wrote:
"KC4UAI" wrote in message

I'm guessing that I have to provide the ID of the station I'm
operating and my call being the control operator but what is the
accepted format for that for the various modes: CW, Phone, Etc?

-= bob =-

SEE ARRL PAGEhttp://www.arrl.org/hrlm/additions/6-4-5.pdf

EXPLAINS IT ALL



Yes, It sure does. Common sense seems to rule the day if you ask me.
This question came up in a discussion about what the ID requirements
where for operating the club station here at work. I was told that
all I needed to do was use my own call, but be sure to log my
activities in the station log. I guess they work under the "you are
borrowing the station" when you operate it, but something just didn't
sit right with me. If I'm required to log my activities into the
station log but only identify with my call something didn't make sense
and it didn't make sense to me just to use the club call when I'm
using the station for my own thing.

So, here's my "let's be totally careful" approach given the
discussions I've seen so far..

In all cases, I will log my activities into the club station's log
because the station trustee has requested that I do so.

For identification I will:

IF, I'm just operating the club station on my own and not
participating in an officially sanctioned club activity I will
identify with *both* calls, the club first followed by mine.

IF, I'm operating the station during an officially sanctioned club
event, I will identify with the club call only and log that I was the
control operator.

That sounds pretty safe to me based on what I've seen thus far. (At
least here in the USA..)

-= bob =-

In article ,
KC4UAI wrote:

For identification I will:

IF, I'm just operating the club station on my own and not
participating in an officially sanctioned club activity I will
identify with *both* calls, the club first followed by mine.

That's fine. Perhaps overly-conservative, but it seems like a fine
operating practice.

IF, I'm operating the station during an officially sanctioned club
event, I will identify with the club call only and log that I was the
control operator.

That's safe, I think, *if* the club's trustee has a license class
equal to or greater than yours.

If not, then if you're transmitting in frequencies allowed by your
privileges but not by the trustee's, then you *must* take the
more-conservative approach of transmitting the club station's call,
stroke, your own callsign.

Otherwise, you'd end up with a situation in which listeners (possibly
including the OOs or the FCC) would hear an ID in (e.g.) the Extra
portion of the band, from a callsign belonging to a station which has
(e.g.) only General privileges. That could result in a letter from
Mr. Hollingsworth to the trustee, stating that the station had been
transmitting outside of its license privileges and asking for copies
of all of the logs, etc. That's the sort of situation best dealt with
by prevention :-)

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On Dec 14, 4:35 pm, (Dave Platt) wrote:
In article ,

KC4UAI wrote:

That's safe, I think, *if* the club's trustee has a license class
equal to or greater than yours.


Yea, I failed to mention that the station trustee and I are both the
same license class.

Under no circumstances can one operate outside of his/her privileges
while acting as the control operator and I wouldn't want to give the
impression that one can just ID with the club ID and consider
themselves an "extra for the day" by virtue of being in the club
shack. Now if somebody is there with them they can extend their
operations to include the highest licensed ham present, but the
highest license present then becomes the control operator and
communications outside of one's privileges becomes third party
communications if I'm reading the rules correctly.

I think I'm going to put a section in the operating manual for the
shack that explains all this. Just to keep the raft of newbies coming
in from making any mistakes that brings us to the attention of the FCC
enforcement guys.

-= bob =-

KC4UAI

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:43:29 EST, KC4UAI wrote:

I was told that
all I needed to do was use my own call, but be sure to log my
activities in the station log. I guess they work under the "you are
borrowing the station" when you operate it, but something just didn't
sit right with me.

I'm the trustee of several club stations (all under one call sign) and
NOBODY "borrows" those stations!

Next time ask a communications attorney who specializes in
interpreting FCC rules. ggg
--

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
ARRL Volunteer Counsel

email: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net

KC4UAI wrote:
I was considering another question and in a bout of laziness I figured
I'd ask the group and not spend a few hours reading Part 97 trying to
figure it out...

I use my assigned call sign to ID myself when operating my station,
but what if I'm operating a station that's not mine? Can I just
provide my call as identification or do I need to include the
station's call too?

This answer applies to US hams, as some other countries have other rules.
Our license have two parts, a Operator Privileges and a Station Privileges.

In principle, the station is licensed, not the operator. This probably
has to do with remote station operations.

However, it often leads to some confusion, such as an interpretation
that an Amateur who has no station does not have a license. Another
quandary can happen if say a friend hands you his HT at say a Public
service event. Do you ID with his call? His call. What about ownership
of the station? If I check out a rig for my club that was donated to the
club, that will be for sale, do I have to ID using a club call sign?

Okay, enough of that!!

In reality, we are identified by our call signs. If someone refers to
N3LI, I'm sure to say "wassup"? Every station I operate with the
exception of Field day and contesting at the clubhouse, I ID as my call.


What FCC rule(s) speak to this situation?

I spent quite a while looking for just that, and there is no clear
rule. There are some rules regarding operating another station when a
person is operating outside their regular privileges, and upgraded
callsigns. but precious little regarding the station vs operator issue.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:34:12 EST, Michael Coslo wrote:

In reality, we are identified by our call signs. If someone refers to
N3LI, I'm sure to say "wassup"? Every station I operate with the
exception of Field day and contesting at the clubhouse, I ID as my call.

Really, Mike! The station is IDed with the station licensee's call
sign. The only time that the call sign of the operator is used is if
the privileges of the op are greater than the privileges of the
station licensee and the op is exercising those privileges. This is
independent of who owns the radio.

That's the hardest thing that I have to teach to ops using our club
facilities and fixed facilities at ARES/RACES served agencies which
hold individual call signs.

Don't make me look it up and print it -- I'll bill you for the
research! ggg
--

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

e-mail: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:35:33 -0500, Phil Kane wrote:


Really, Mike! The station is IDed with the station licensee's call
sign. The only time that the call sign of the operator is used is if
the privileges of the op are greater than the privileges of the station
licensee and the op is exercising those privileges. This is independen
t
of who owns the radio.

That's the hardest thing that I have to teach to ops using our club
facilities and fixed facilities at ARES/RACES served agencies which hol
d
individual call signs.

Hi Phil,

I know what you are saying, but there is a world of difference between
the seemingly clear rule and the reality. Our club has 3 call signs.
Which do I use? I've loaned equipment to the club to use for field day.
Must we operate under my call sign, and don't forget the other equipment
is the club's, or might be other equipment loans.

Some times there could be so much discussion about what the "proper" call

sign is to use that people might just pack up and go home.


-73 de Mike N3LI -

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:23:05 EST, Mike Coslo
wrote:

I know what you are saying, but there is a world of difference between
the seemingly clear rule and the reality. Our club has 3 call signs.
Which do I use?

Are you sure that all three have the same club name? The station
trustee is responsible for telling the operator(s) what the correct
club call sign is.

Our club has a club call sign covering all of our activities, and
there is a sub-group of contesters in the club who have obtained a
different club call sign - with a different licensee - for contests
that they participate in separate from the club station.

I've loaned equipment to the club to use for field day.
Must we operate under my call sign, and don't forget the other equipment
is the club's, or might be other equipment loans.

No. Unless you "declare" that it is your personal station. The call
sign to be used is not tied to the ownership of the hardware.

You don't want to be stuck with the violations of someone else.
--

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

e-mail: k2asp [at] arrl [dot] net