"Foxs Mercantile" wrote

Jeff, where do you see, in that article or *anywhere*, that the Amateur
Extra provided additional privileges?


If anywhere in that history, you want to point a finger, it would
be the restructuring in 1951 that resulted in disincentive licensing
where a majority of General class licensees decided there was NO point
in upgrading.

You had originally used the word "always," and that is the part that got my
attention.

On 10/3/2014 1:24 PM, Howard Lester wrote:
"Foxs Mercantile" wrote

Jeff, where do you see, in that article or *anywhere*, that the Amateur
Extra provided additional privileges?


If anywhere in that history, you want to point a finger, it would
be the restructuring in 1951 that resulted in disincentive licensing
where a majority of General class licensees decided there was NO point
in upgrading.

You had originally used the word "always," and that is the part that got
my attention.

BTW Howard, I know you're now up near the 'toga, but did you live in the
Schenectady area before going west? The name sounds familiar -- if so,
what was your call ca. 1973?
k1io ex -wb2tsk, etc.

"Fred Goldstein" wrote

BTW Howard, I know you're now up near the 'toga, but did you live in the
Schenectady area before going west? The name sounds familiar -- if so,
what was your call ca. 1973?
k1io ex -wb2tsk, etc.

No, Fred, I'm not the famous Howard Lester who passed away some 7 or 8 years
ago. I did get to meet one of his sons here; he is a ham, too. Imagine my
surprise when I saw, I think in Amateur Radio Newsline back then, that I had
become an SK! I suppose I should put a disclaimer as such in my qrz bio.
;-)

When I first moved here and went to my first Saratoga hamfest, I sported my
Arizona callsign badge with my full name on it. More than a few hams looked
at me rather quizzically.

Howard

On 10/3/2014 12:24 PM, Howard Lester wrote:
You had originally used the word "always," and that is the part
that got my attention.

Mea culpa. However, I found the information that disproved the
"Always" part, but by the same token, disproved the claim of
honorary only that was made earlier.


--
Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi
http://www.foxsmercantile.com

"Foxs Mercantile" wrote

You had originally used the word "always," and that is the part
that got my attention.

Mea culpa. However, I found the information that disproved the
"Always" part, but by the same token, disproved the claim of
honorary only that was made earlier.

And thanks for bringing to *my* attention that there *were* extra privileges
at one time for Extras.

On 10/4/2014 9:23 AM, Howard Lester wrote:
And thanks for bringing to *my* attention that there *were*
extra privileges at one time for Extras.

There still are.
http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Regulatory/Band%20Chart/Hambands_color.pdf

The 80, 40, 20 and 15 meter bands all have exclusive portions
for Extra Class licensees. The same bottom 25 KHz I remember
from the early '70s when I upgraded to Advanced.

--
Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi
http://www.foxsmercantile.com

On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 21:49:40 EDT, Foxs Mercantile
wrote:

On 10/4/2014 9:23 AM, Howard Lester wrote:
And thanks for bringing to *my* attention that there *were*
extra privileges at one time for Extras.

There still are.
http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Regulatory/Band%20Chart/Hambands_color.pdf

The 80, 40, 20 and 15 meter bands all have exclusive portions
for Extra Class licensees. The same bottom 25 KHz I remember
from the early '70s when I upgraded to Advanced.

Also, extra class licensees can get call signs in the form of 1x2
(N6AA), 2x1 (NA6A) and 2x2 (AA6AA). Advanced class can get only 2x2.
When I upgraded from Tech to Extra, I took advantage of this to trade
in my old call sign for an improved version.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 09:40:05 EDT, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

Also, extra class licensees can get call signs in the form of 1x2
(N6AA), 2x1 (NA6A) and 2x2 (AA6AA). Advanced class can get only 2x2.
When I upgraded from Tech to Extra, I took advantage of this to trade
in my old call sign for an improved version.

As did I in 1978. 20 years later I paid the "tribute" (i.e. "vanity
fee") to get my original 1x3 call sign back before someone else got
it.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 23:02:29 EDT, Phil Kane wrote:

On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 09:40:05 EDT, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

Also, extra class licensees can get call signs in the form of 1x2
(N6AA), 2x1 (NA6A) and 2x2 (AA6AA). Advanced class can get only 2x2.
When I upgraded from Tech to Extra, I took advantage of this to trade
in my old call sign for an improved version.

As did I in 1978. 20 years later I paid the "tribute" (i.e. "vanity
fee") to get my original 1x3 call sign back before someone else got
it.
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

You might be amused at how I obtained my extra class ticket.

I had been a tech since the 1960's and saw no reason to learn Morse
code in order to talk on HF. I was working for various 2way and
marine radio companies. The last thing I wanted to do when I left
work was see another radio. I almost let my tech license lapse, but a
friend shoved the 610 form in my face and demanded that I renew.

When the code requirement was finally dropped for general class I
decided it was time to upgrade. Having passed the tech exam in the
dark ages (tubes, dynamotors, and Marconi antennas) was deemed
sufficient to demonstrate my technical competence. Therefore, I was
not required to repeat the exam.

The procedure required that I find all my old FCC licenses, which
amazingly were exactly where I buried them. When I appeared at the
scheduled VEC exam, I was informed that for the same price ($10), I
could take the extra exam. If I failed, then they would grant me a
general class license as a consolation prize. Just one problem. I
hadn't studied at all for the extra exam.

I sat down with a borrowed calculator and began to sweat my way
through the questions. The technical questions were easy. The
questions on HF operating protocol, band limits, and procedures were
unfathomable, so I resorted to guessing. I'm fairly sure that I got
all the technical questions right, and missed most of the operational
questions. I was later informed that I had passed by one question.
Whew.

Unfortunately, one of my friends surpassed my feat. He became tired
of using his foreign call sign and decided to get a US ham license. He
passed all 4 elements in one sitting, without missing a single
question, and possibly without studying. I was crushed but still
offered my congratulations.

I don't recommend attempting the extra class exam totally unprepared.
However, if anyone asks, it can be passed without studying.


--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

"Foxs Mercantile" wrote

And thanks for bringing to *my* attention that there *were*
extra privileges at one time for Extras.

There still are.
http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Regulatory/Band%20Chart/Hambands_color.pdf

I didn't think I had to explain myself so explicitly.... I *know* there
still are; I *am* one. I meant that I didn't know there were additional
privileges for the Amateur Extra Class in the era before the portions of the
1950's and 1960's when there *weren't* any additional privileges.

N7SO ---- Amateur Extra