You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
From: on Sun, Sep 10 2006 4:54 pm
Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

Carl would be aided in his efforts by the warmth and comraderie he has
genererated with statements like:

"The ARRL is like a corrupt dictatorship ... out of control and yet
with all the power of control (and money from its publishing empire)
... the only viable way to save ham radio is to overthrow the ARRL
and kick them out as the "representative" of ham radio to the FCC ...
given a chance, they'll do the wrong thing practically every time, it
seems."

Yet Carl is a member of the ARRL, and now wants to participate in the
decision making processes rather than remain among the down trodden.

Not allowed to think independently.

No one stopped Carl from thinking independently. His own independently
thought words would have been enough to ensure his defeat.

So only drones are electable in the ARRL?

The (present) ARRL
is without fault and KNOWS what is best for all amateurs.

I don't believe I've seen anyone but you making such a statement. Is
that your belief?

Is it yours?

"Almost anything would be better ... they're WORSE THAN NOTHING because
they do the wrong, destructive thing more often than not."

With respect to code testing I am in agreement with what Carl posted
almost a decade ago.

I agree.

Bully for both of you.

As I recall, you aren't an ARRL member and Brian allowed his membership
to lapse.

I renewed.

One day, probably far, far into the future, I may have the opportunity
to vote for a No-Code Exam candidate.

However, neither Heil nor the upper reaches of
ARRL can be told what to do. They KNOW what is best.

You know, Leonard, it is a fact that I'd put more faith in the ARRL
Board of Directors than I would place in your opinions of what is best
for amateur radio. That's a fact.

With the exception of the code exam, you might be right. But we'll
never know.

"Actually I am, but I have no aspirations to become the next Dave Sumner
...that would be a big step backward for me career-wise."

Meanwhile, you work on becoming the next Robesin. Congrats on your
giant step backward.

Morsemanship is apparently a catalyst, a trigger for Character
Assassination. That's readily apparent in Google archives.

For an assassination of your character, you'd have to act in a different
manner from what someone writes about you. You can feel safe from an
assassination attempt on your character.

Len's NOT a homo?

"The BOD climbed into bed with a bunch of long-time frequency
coordination egomaniacs and to hell with everyone else."

Did they?

You won't get any answer on that, Brian. Heil is afraid you
will mention "6 meters" and "Frenchmen" again. :-)

He can mention it until he's blue in the face.

I've got great rewd blood cells, so count on me mentioning it far into
the future.

The fact is, I'm not
responsible for how others operate their stations. I'm not responsible
for looking them up in a database, for knowing where they are permitted
to operate or for ascertaining that they are the fellow to whom a
license has been issued. I'm responsible for operating *my* station in
accordance with the regulations governing its use. I do so.

Youn keep mentioning that until you're blue in the face.

"Get screwed, Herman .. the ARRL is NOT "the savior" ... they're Nero
fiddling merrily while Rome burns all around them."

For what purpose is Jim constantly posting amateur numbers?

Jimmy NEEDS to have the image of an Authority Figure here.
"Numbers" is an easy task to crib from other sources and
then pretend His are "authentic" (as if he did the search
and sort operations).

So when you were reporting data from the FCC, you did it because you
felt the need to be an authority figure? After all, you cribbed the
material from another source.

Balance in all things... It's part of the amateur's code. Do you know
the amateur's code?

"...I have so little faith in the ARRL's ability to
lead ham radio into the next century that I beleive almost anyone could
do a better job".

He may be on to something.

You betcha.

Wow! If you and Brian had been ARRL members and you lived in the
Atlantic Division and if Carl wasn't disqualified by virtue of his
employment and if Carl hadn't written the things he'd written, you might
have changed the history of amateur radio in this country.

You'll never know.

If we had some meat, we could make sandwiches...if we had some bread.

And mustard.

"I don't see the ARRL as being 'effective' AT ALL ... I see it as
being/having been the single largest impediment to the
modernization, growth, and future security of the Amateur Radio Service."

There is a reason that the ARRL membership numbers are so abysmal even
though they are the only national amateur radio organization of any
consequence.

Mama Dee rationalizes that 3/4 of all US amateur radio
licensees are not "joiners." :-)

Who is Mama Dee?

She's the person who says other people like her aren't joiners, but she
joined.

She overlooks the demographic fact that the core membership
and hierarchy of ARRL are devout morsemen.

Devout morsemen? Do you mean that they've passed morse exams?

Dave K8MN

Don't be silly. Of course not.

Plenty of people who passed the Morse Exams advocate the end to Morse
Exams.

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

Dave Heil wrote:
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And if you run for office...

...I won't have a conflict of interest to preclude my eligibity to run,
assuming you're writing of the ARRL.

Yes, the ARRL.

If we had some meat, we could make sandwiches...if we had some bread.

I'll be sure that your smugness is well publicized.

Please do so, especially if I'm running from the Roanoke Division and
you're still living in the Great Lakes Division.

Am I to understand that my residence in the GLD precludes me from free
speech in the Roanoke Division?

Must be something new at the HQ that hasn't been publicized yet. I'll
be watching for that announcement in the ARRL Letter, and of your run
of office in the Roanoke Division.

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

Dave Heil wrote:

I don't think a guy who can't spell "believe" is ready to lead anyone
anywhere.

I'll couple your next typo to that statement in preperation for your
run for the Roanoke Division.

Dave K8MN

Thanks for your opinion.

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

From: on Wed, Sep 13 2006 4:17 am


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But the point is that the judicial system has methods besides
self-disqualification to prevent conflict of interest. It does not rely
solely or primarily on judges or jurors disqualifying themselves.

No.

Yes, that's the point.

The point is that ethical people behave ethically.

People who behave ethically at all times don't need safeguards.

...but a soap like "Safeguard" would cut down their body
odor.


You missed that part.

No, I didn't.

And who defines what "ethics" are the right ones?

Morsemen?


Was it ethical to appoint someone with no emergency management
experience to head FEMA?

If they were morsemen they would know everything...


Was it ethical to give lucrative no-bid contracts to a company that
used to be run by a top administrator who helped make the decision?

It would be if they were all morsemen?

Beep, boop,

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

Dee Flint wrote:
wrote in message
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[snip]

There is a reason that the ARRL membership numbers are so abysmal even
though they are the only national amateur radio organization of any
consequence.


Yeah the same reason that 75% of the people I know don't belong to
organizations of whatever hobby they do participate in. They're just not
"joiners".

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

But this isn't stamp collecting or fly-tying. It isn't even soccer or
la crosse.

This is amateur radio where lives are saved and we are everybody's comm
back-up.

Don't you think we could get a little more participation?

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

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On 13 Sep 2006 16:42:44 -0700, wrote:


Dee Flint wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

[snip]

There is a reason that the ARRL membership numbers are so abysmal even
though they are the only national amateur radio organization of any
consequence.


Yeah the same reason that 75% of the people I know don't belong to
organizations of whatever hobby they do participate in. They're just not
"joiners".

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

But this isn't stamp collecting or fly-tying. It isn't even soccer or
la crosse.

This is amateur radio where lives are saved and we are everybody's comm
back-up.

Don't you think we could get a little more participation?

have you noticed it is hobby when that serves to excuse something, and
a Service like the army or at least CAP when there is something being
promoted as vital it (like code testing)

A-yup. I notice it all.

How are we to "join" in an emergency when we cannot join in everday
life?

You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.
 

wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
wrote:

But the point is that the judicial system has methods besides
self-disqualification to prevent conflict of interest. It does not rely
solely or primarily on judges or jurors disqualifying themselves.

No.

Yes, that's the point.

It wasn't the point I made.

The point is that ethical people behave ethically.

People who behave ethically at all times don't need safeguards.

So ARRL leaders need safeguards?

You missed that part.

No, I didn't.

Yes, you did.

And who defines what "ethics" are the right ones?

Apparently, ONLY the BoD.

Was it ethical to appoint someone with no emergency management
experience to head FEMA?

Should the Democrats eventually regain a majority in the House, or the
Whitehouse, will they behave ethically, or as they've always behaved?

Was it ethical to give lucrative no-bid contracts to a company that
used to be run by a top administrator who helped make the decision?

That's exactly what Pres. Clinton did in 1995 when he attacked
Yugoslavia. Haliburton, no-bid, huge cost overruns. NO PROBLEM.