"David Kaye" wrote in message
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JC wrote:

I have to explain that post?

Yes. You blamed the New Orleans levee failures on Bill Clinton, yet
these failures happened 5 years into Bush's administration and after a
severe cutback in federal infrastructure funding. I normally don't
respond to your posts because it appears you come from another planet.
But I wasn't going to let this one slip by.


He was being sarcastic with that post.

John

Slow Code wrote:


If Bush is in the deepest pit of hell, it's because he went in to try to
lead you Liberals out of it. President Bush works for all American's,
even stupid liberals like you.



....works for all American-apostrophe-s!

Maybe there was an implied thing possessed, like "an American's
right not to be embarrassed by his dyslexic president."
Or "played All-American's football in a Texas high school."

ObBook: Truss, _Eats, Shoots & Leaves_

David Kaye wrote:
JC wrote:


I have to explain that post?


Yes. You blamed the New Orleans levee failures on Bill Clinton,

(sigh) Actually, I did the very opposite.

David Kaye wrote:
wrote:

This E coli fiasco is a prime example of government that doesn't work.

How so? Farms take the cheap way out by providing only the barest of
essentials to their farmworkers. Many farms do not even have
conveniently located outhouses and places to wash the hands. It's
likely that the e coli outbreak came from a farmworker who didn't wash
his hands after defecating. The other likely cause is using human or
animal waste as fertilizer, though it's unlikely because this is
frowned upon by agricultural inspectors.

Interesting that the company that grew the spinach is called "Natural
Selection Farms". Sounds like natural selection at play, definitely.

It would have been nice if the news media would have focused in on this
situation by finding out a little about farming. I watched some videos
of stories from KRON, KPIX, and CNN, and didn't see anything talking
about the *source* of the problem.

Also, our local news media (this is a local or somewhat local story,
having taken place in the Salinas Valley), hasn't told people that
*all* they need to do is cook the spinach! Cook the spinach at at
least 150 degrees (160 to be safe) for 5 minutes, and that's all there
is to it. Or if people are still squeamish about it, bring the water
to a boil for a few minutes (212 degrees).

Why couldn't the local media cover this? It's not rocket science.
Hell, the local news media are better at covering rocket science...

Yeah, RS costs money, RS is dangerous. We know.

How come we don't see 50,000 dead after not holding the lettuce at
Burger King?

JC wrote:
Slow Code wrote:


If Bush is in the deepest pit of hell, it's because he went in to try to
lead you Liberals out of it. President Bush works for all American's,
even stupid liberals like you.



...works for all American-apostrophe-s!

Maybe there was an implied thing possessed, like "an American's
right not to be embarrassed by his dyslexic president."
Or "played All-American's football in a Texas high school."

ObBook: Truss, _Eats, Shoots & Leaves_

Everybody's a mango-eatin' pussy! Give up already.

Still they
pulled the products ASAP regardless, just like they pulled ALL THE
AIRPLANES FROM THE SKY September 11, 2001.
Not ALL the flights. The Saudis and the Bin Laudin family still got to
fly out of the USA on chartered planes.
phil

David Kaye wrote:
wrote:

This E coli fiasco is a prime example of government that doesn't work.

How so? Farms take the cheap way out by providing only the barest of
essentials to their farmworkers. Many farms do not even have
conveniently located outhouses and places to wash the hands. It's
likely that the e coli outbreak came from a farmworker who didn't wash
his hands after defecating.

Perhaps. But look at the number of folks who walk out of a public
restroom without washing their hands... and the water and soap are
right there!

The other likely cause is using human or
animal waste as fertilizer, though it's unlikely because this is
frowned upon by agricultural inspectors.

Sludge. Its use is common enough.

Interesting that the company that grew the spinach is called "Natural
Selection Farms". Sounds like natural selection at play, definitely.

It would have been nice if the news media would have focused in on this
situation by finding out a little about farming. I watched some videos
of stories from KRON, KPIX, and CNN, and didn't see anything talking
about the *source* of the problem.

That would imply guilt...

And saying that spinach comes from farms is called "profiling."

Also, our local news media (this is a local or somewhat local story,
having taken place in the Salinas Valley), hasn't told people that
*all* they need to do is cook the spinach! Cook the spinach at at
least 150 degrees (160 to be safe) for 5 minutes, and that's all there
is to it. Or if people are still squeamish about it, bring the water
to a boil for a few minutes (212 degrees).

Buy canned spinach

Why couldn't the local media cover this? It's not rocket science.
Hell, the local news media are better at covering rocket science...

Because rocket science problems can always be blamed on government.
Spinach problems have to be blamed on farmers, farm workers, or food
workers, though some will make it a government problem. Government is
always bad...

wrote:
David Kaye wrote:
JC wrote:

I have to explain that post?

Yes. You blamed the New Orleans levee failures on Bill Clinton, yet
these failures happened 5 years into Bush's administration and after a
severe cutback in federal infrastructure funding. I normally don't
respond to your posts because it appears you come from another planet.
But I wasn't going to let this one slip by.

Could it possibly be the cronies Shrub put in charge of FEMA? You have
to wonder how many other posts are filled with the likes of Heckuvajob
Brownie.

This E coli fiasco is a prime example of government that doesn't work.
However, that is the goal of Republicans. They say government doesn't
work, so they do their best not to make it work. It is a self
fulfilling prophecy.

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate...s/15552424.htm

Posted on Tue, Sep. 19, 2006
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Spinach growers were told to improve safety
Current E. coli outbreak not the first linked to California growers
By ANDREW BRIDGES
The Associated Press
WASHINGTON - Federal health officials told California farmers to
improve produce safety in a pointed warning letter last November -
nearly a year before the multistate E. coli outbreak linked to spinach.

In fact, the current food-poisoning episode is the 20th since 1995
linked to spinach or lettuce, the Food and Drug Administration says.

Though state and federal officials have traced the current outbreak to
a California company's fresh spinach, they haven't pinpointed the
source of the bacteria that have killed one person and sickened more
than 100 others.

The FDA is still warning consumers not to eat fresh spinach.

There is no evidence of tampering in the outbreak, FDA spokeswoman
Susan Bro said Monday. That leaves a broad range of other possible
sources, including contaminated irrigation water that's been a
problem in California's Salinas Valley. The area on California's
central coast produces much of the U.S. spinach crop.

There have been 19 other food-poisoning outbreaks since 1995 linked to
lettuce and spinach, according to the FDA. At least eight were traced
to produce grown in the Salinas Valley. The outbreaks involved more
than 400 cases of sickness and two deaths.

In 2004 and again in 2005, the FDA's top food safety official warned
California farmers they needed to do more to increase the safety of the
fresh leafy greens they grow.

"In light of continuing outbreaks, it is clear that more needs to be
done," the FDA's Robert Brackett wrote in a Nov. 4, 2005, letter.

Suggested actions included discarding any produce that comes into
contact with floodwaters. Rivers and creeks in the Salinas watershed
are known to be periodically contaminated with E. coli, Brackett said.

Meanwhile, the FBI is monitoring the situation, said spokesman Rich
Kolko. He called it a routine and precautionary measure, not an
indication of suspicious activity.

The FDA's Bro dismissed a claim by Natural Selection Foods, the
company linked to the outbreak, that its organic spinach products had
been cleared of suspicion.

"The FDA has not cleared any products from the list and continues to
recommend consumers avoid eating fresh spinach products," she said.

Natural Selection has recalled 34 brands of fresh spinach products,
distributed throughout the United States as well as to Canada and
Mexico. The company said the manufacturing codes turned over to health
officials from packages of spinach that had infected patients all were
from non-organic spinach. The company packages both organic and
conventionally grown spinach in separate areas at its San Juan
Bautista, Calif. plant.

The FDA and California Department of Health Services were reviewing
irrigation methods, harvest conditions and other practices at farms
possibly involved.

The spinach could have been contaminated in the field or during
processing. About 74 percent of the fresh-market spinach grown in he
U.S. comes from California, according to the California Farm Bureau
Federation.

E. coli cases linked to the tainted spinach have been reported in 20
states, with Wisconsin reporting the most cases, including the death of
a 77-year-old woman.

The Illinois Department of Public Health said Monday an elderly woman
hospitalized with kidney failure is the state's first confirmed case
in the spinach-linked outbreak. Other states reporting cases were
California, Connecticut, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Maine, Michigan,
Minnesota, New Mexico, Nevada, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania,
Utah, Virginia, Washington and Wyoming, according to the Centers for
Disease Control and Prevention.

wrote:
David Kaye wrote:
wrote:

This E coli fiasco is a prime example of government that doesn't work.

How so? Farms take the cheap way out by providing only the barest of
essentials to their farmworkers. Many farms do not even have
conveniently located outhouses and places to wash the hands. It's
likely that the e coli outbreak came from a farmworker who didn't wash
his hands after defecating.

Perhaps. But look at the number of folks who walk out of a public
restroom without washing their hands... and the water and soap are
right there!

The other likely cause is using human or
animal waste as fertilizer, though it's unlikely because this is
frowned upon by agricultural inspectors.

Sludge. Its use is common enough.

Interesting that the company that grew the spinach is called "Natural
Selection Farms". Sounds like natural selection at play, definitely.

It would have been nice if the news media would have focused in on this
situation by finding out a little about farming. I watched some videos
of stories from KRON, KPIX, and CNN, and didn't see anything talking
about the *source* of the problem.

That would imply guilt...

And saying that spinach comes from farms is called "profiling."

It didn't come from the maternity ward...don't make a bunch of stupid
allegories!

Government is NOT always bad. They saved your ass just as they've done
millions of times in all the years of your misinformed life, and you
should give them some credit.

John Slade wrote:
"David Kaye" wrote in message
ups.com...

JC wrote:


I have to explain that post?

Yes. You blamed the New Orleans levee failures on Bill Clinton, yet
these failures happened 5 years into Bush's administration and after a
severe cutback in federal infrastructure funding. I normally don't
respond to your posts because it appears you come from another planet.
But I wasn't going to let this one slip by.



He was being sarcastic with that post.

Heh. The previous poster has the same predilection for going
tut-tut that caused me to add poor Higdon to the kill-file,
although as far as I know, Higdon doesn't imply that he
comes from a different planet. Higdon's thing is, "I do
it too." But it's the censuriousness that becomes
intolerable, and not the fact that he's a copy cat
or comes from Neptune. Common equity demands I add Mr. Kaye.
So, kerplonkity. Watch out, Wattenburg. You're next.