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This is NOT a "threat." It would be doing the USA a
real service.

Jim asks if he can serve in other ways. Ask him to contact the "Stolen
Valor" people with Robesin's claims of seven hostile actions.

I don't have to do a thing beyond giving
the military personnel there some public information.


ex-RA16408336

wrote:
wrote:


This is NOT a "threat." It would be doing the USA a
real service.

Jim asks if he can serve in other ways. Ask him to contact the "Stolen
Valor" people with Robesin's claims of seven hostile actions.

I don't have to do a thing beyond giving
the military personnel there some public information.


ex-RA16408336

http://greensickle.com/2006/05/stole...phony_v_1.html

Stolen Valor Part Four: Phony veteran catching kit
By Eric

In honor of Memorial Day and in light of Jesse MacBeth's fraud, I'd
like to continue my Stolen Valor series with a special entry on how to
identify and pursue fraudulent veterans.

I'll begin with a list of 8 ways to spot a phony veteran - according to
Thomas A. Cottone, Jr., an FBI special agent that specializes in medal
fraud cases and fraudulent veterans, and as written by Marine Corps
Times writer Laura Bailey. Lastly, I'd like to talk about a couple of
Agent Cottone, Jr.'s tips and a few of my own:

1. Sketchy records. When asked to verify details of their military
record, phonies often say they didn't go through the normal military
channels, said Mike Sandborn, an FBI special agent and former Marine
captain who works medals fraud cases. Sandborn said phonies will often
say they were in high demand by the military and weren't required to go
through the normal training.

2. Appearance matters. Impostors put on pretty lousy impersonations.
They're often out of shape or have a "slovenly appearance in uniform,"
Sandborn said. If they look like "50 pounds of pork shoved into a
10-pound sack," Sandborn said, they're probably an impostor.

3. Top secret? Probably not. A phony often will say details of his
career exploits are classified. But even with awards for classified
actions, ceremonies are never top secret. Veterans claiming to have
received an award should be able to produce an order granting it no
matter how secretive the action.


And more...

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http://greensickle.com/2006/05/stole...phony_v_1.html

Stolen Valor Part Four: Phony veteran catching kit
By Eric

2. Appearance matters. Impostors put on pretty lousy impersonations.
They're often out of shape or have a "slovenly appearance in uniform,"
Sandborn said. If they look like "50 pounds of pork shoved into a
10-pound sack," Sandborn said, they're probably an impostor.

I don't know what it is like where you live, Brian. Disproving the
above would be easy hearabouts. All one needs do is observe the
American Legion Color Guard on a holiday, a high school football game or
at a funeral.

I cannot fit into any uniform that I wore over thirty-four years ago.
My dad couldn't fit into any of his WWII Navy uniforms. Apparently,
appearance doesn't matter much at all.

As an aside, I encourage you to contact the "Stolen Valor" guys and for
Len to drop by the recruiting office in regard to Steve's service. If
it turns out that you've falsely accused him, I'll expect to see
numerous mea culpas for weeks and weeks afterward, since you two would
look like prize boobs.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:

http://greensickle.com/2006/05/stole...phony_v_1.html

Stolen Valor Part Four: Phony veteran catching kit
By Eric

2. Appearance matters. Impostors put on pretty lousy impersonations.
They're often out of shape or have a "slovenly appearance in uniform,"
Sandborn said. If they look like "50 pounds of pork shoved into a
10-pound sack," Sandborn said, they're probably an impostor.

I don't know what it is like where you live, Brian. Disproving the
above would be easy hearabouts. All one needs do is observe the
American Legion Color Guard on a holiday, a high school football game or
at a funeral.

Of course.

But I doubt that Lennie OR Brain could fit into a McDonald's
"uniform" let alone an Armed Forces uniform these days.....

I cannot fit into any uniform that I wore over thirty-four years ago.
My dad couldn't fit into any of his WWII Navy uniforms. Apparently,
appearance doesn't matter much at all.

As an aside, I encourage you to contact the "Stolen Valor" guys and for
Len to drop by the recruiting office in regard to Steve's service. If
it turns out that you've falsely accused him, I'll expect to see
numerous mea culpas for weeks and weeks afterward, since you two would
look like prize boobs.

Won't happen, Dave.

Brian P Burke and Leonard H Anderson are two of the biggest
buffoons to hit USENET since it's inception, but I doubt either of them
is stupid enough to put themselves in a position of being liable for
the very same things they accuse others of being.

Not to mention that it would give me "Bragging Rights" from now
unti the Second Coming of Christ!

73

Steve, K4YZ

wrote:
wrote:


This is NOT a "threat." It would be doing the USA a
real service.

Jim asks if he can serve in other ways. Ask him to contact the "Stolen
Valor" people with Robesin's claims of seven hostile actions.

I don't have to do a thing beyond giving
the military personnel there some public information.


ex-RA16408336

http://www.sftt.us/roster.html

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How to Spot a Phony Veteran Or False POW
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Editor's Note: If your organization or company is confronted by a
self-proclaimed veteran or former POW, there is a simple process by
which you can verify the information. In addition, several
organizations listed here can provide useful support for validating the
military service, decorations and wartime experiences of any
self-proclaimed veteran.

Verifying a Veteran's Records

(1) Require a full set of identification papers and military documents
before you agree to employ or deal work with the veteran.

Many would-be veterans simply fabricate their biographies from thin
air, but others have been known to forge documents or even to commit
"identity theft" of actual POWs or veterans. So it is necessary not
only to check out his claims but to compare his documentation against
that of the military archives.

You should begin by informing the veteran that because all too many
phony veterans have deceived the public in recent years about their
wartime experiences, it is a sad necessity that you cannot accept his
claim at face value, and have to confirm the veteran's identity and his
official records before you may proceed. The first step is to obtain a
transcript of his military service from the National Military Records
Center in St. Louis, Mo. - the branch of the National Archives that
handles all military personnel records.

You should insist on the following from the claimant himself: A copy of
birth certificate or passport, driver's license, Form DD-214 (summary
of military service at discharge), and a copy of the General Order for
each award or medal. You should obtain his Social Security number.

And more....

wrote:
wrote:


This is NOT a "threat." It would be doing the USA a
real service.

Jim asks if he can serve in other ways. Ask him to contact the "Stolen
Valor" people with Robesin's claims of seven hostile actions.

Not good...Mother Superior or the guy from the Waffen SS would
say I "threatened them" or "told them what to do!" :-)

wrote:
wrote:
wrote:


This is NOT a "threat." It would be doing the USA a
real service.

Jim asks if he can serve in other ways. Ask him to contact the "Stolen
Valor" people with Robesin's claims of seven hostile actions.

Not good...Mother Superior or the guy from the Waffen SS would
say I "threatened them" or "told them what to do!" :-)

of course even slightly contradicting the MMM is a threat

old freind wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
wrote:


This is NOT a "threat." It would be doing the USA a
real service.

Jim asks if he can serve in other ways. Ask him to contact the "Stolen
Valor" people with Robesin's claims of seven hostile actions.

Not good...Mother Superior or the guy from the Waffen SS would
say I "threatened them" or "told them what to do!" :-)

of course even slightly contradicting the MMM is a threat

"Slashed tires, rocks through windows, and terrorized wives" is not a
threat...