"dxAce" wrote in message
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Pat Stevens wrote:
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Usually the no-code techs have a better idea as to how echolink and IRLP
work than most of the old-timers, because it is the only way that they
can
access "long distance" radio. Most of the old-timers don't consider it
to
be "real" radio and as such..
It is similar to many of the other forms that were incorporated into
amateur
radio and were slow to be accepted, such as SSB, SSTV, even ATV. I don't
think any of these are any less ham radio than CW is ham radio.

That's because it's not 'real radio'..

Get a grip and get a clue.


Well, as far as I know, SSB, SSTV, even ATV, along with IRLP and even
echolink as long as you are using a radio at one of the ends of it during a
conversation, would all be considered "real radio."
Talk about getting a grip and getting a clue. That isn't even an arguement.
At least try to make a point and back your claim.