Back a year or three, there was a thread asking for peoples' predictions
on when the FCC would do no-code for all licenses. So who came closest?
I know that I didn't.

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Robert Casey wrote:
Back a year or three, there was a thread asking for peoples' predictions
on when the FCC would do no-code for all licenses. So who came closest?
I know that I didn't.

That was N2EY's gig.

He posted about it a week or so ago, but it got buried under the rubble
of the Robesin wars.

wrote:
Robert Casey wrote:
Back a year or three, there was a thread asking for peoples' predictions
on when the FCC would do no-code for all licenses. So who came closest?
I know that I didn't.

That was N2EY's gig.

He posted about it a week or so ago, but it got buried under the rubble
of the Robesin wars.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......Hey Brain....

I HATE to ruin your rants with facts...HOWEVER....

Your "buddie's" post outnumber mine 15:1.

But you go right on trying to make folks believe otherwise.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
Robert Casey wrote:
Back a year or three, there was a thread asking for peoples' predictions
on when the FCC would do no-code for all licenses. So who came closest?
I know that I didn't.

That was N2EY's gig.

He posted about it a week or so ago, but it got buried under the rubble
of the Robesin wars.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......Hey Brain....

I HATE to ruin your rants with facts...HOWEVER....

Your "buddie's" post outnumber mine 15:1.

But you go right on trying to make folks believe otherwise.

Steve, K4YZ

So apologize and be done with it.

Robert Casey wrote:
Back a year or three, there was a thread asking for peoples' predictions
on when the FCC would do no-code for all licenses. So who came closest?
I know that I didn't.

Hello Robert,

I don't know if the Report and Order has been published in the Federal
Register
yet. The new rules cannot become effective until at least 30 days after
that.
I have been told that because the Report and Order modifies an earlier
one
(the "omnibus" R&O), the delay will be 60 days rather than 30, but I'm
not
sure if that is true.

The process went on so long that we began taking 'second guesses' a
year or so ago.

Here's an update on the "when will FCC drop Element 1?" pool.
This means the effective date of the FCC action that completely
eliminates Morse Code testing for any class of amateur radio
license in the USA.

Note how almost all the predicted dates and all of the *second*
predicted dates have already passed:

WA2SI: September 13, 2003 (first prediction)
KF6TPT: September 29, 2003
KC8EPO: December 31, 2003
K2UNK: January 1, 2004 (first prediction)
K2ASP: March 15, 2004
AA2QA: April 1, 2004
N2EY: April 15, 2004
N3KIP: May 1, 2004 (first prediction)
KC8PMX: July 1, 2004
WA2ISE: August 1, 2004
K3LT: September 15, 2004
WK3C: December 30, 2004
N4PGW: May 22, 2005
N8UZE: July 1, 2005 (first prediction)
N3KIP: December 31, 2005 (second prediction)
N8UZE: January 31, 2006 (second prediction)
N2EY: March 1, 2006 (second prediction)
KB9RQZ: April 1, 2006
K2UNK: July 1, 2006 (second prediction)
AB2RC: July 1, 2007
KB3EIA: July 5, 2007
W5TIT: June 1, 2008
WA2SI: Complete elimination not within the foreseeable future (second
prediction)

Right now it looks like AB2RC is the winner, with K2UNK a close second.

Even though K2UNK's date is closer to the announcement date, the rule
states "effective date of the FCC action that completely eliminates
Morse Code testing for any class of amateur radio license in the USA".
Which cannot be any earlier than January 19, 2007, and will probably be
late February or even early March 2007 if the 60 day rule is in effect.

Maybe I should start a new pool, in which people get to predict the
growth
or decline in the number of US amateurs by a certain date after the new
rules.....


73, mri xmas es hny de Jim, N2EY

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Robert Casey wrote:
Back a year or three, there was a thread asking for peoples' predictions
on when the FCC would do no-code for all licenses. So who came closest?
I know that I didn't.

Hello Robert,

I don't know if the Report and Order has been published in the Federal
Register
yet. The new rules cannot become effective until at least 30 days after
that.
I have been told that because the Report and Order modifies an earlier
one
(the "omnibus" R&O), the delay will be 60 days rather than 30, but I'm
not
sure if that is true.


As of last Friday, it had not been published in the Federal Register. This
new Report and Order do not modify the "omnibus" R & O and stands completely
on its own. However, it could easily be 60 days from the announcement as it
may take up to 30 days to get published in the Federal Register and then
another 30 days for its implementation date.

Dee, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
Robert Casey wrote:
Back a year or three, there was a thread asking for peoples' predictions
on when the FCC would do no-code for all licenses. So who came closest?
I know that I didn't.

Hello Robert,

I don't know if the Report and Order has been published in the Federal
Register
yet. The new rules cannot become effective until at least 30 days after
that.
I have been told that because the Report and Order modifies an earlier
one
(the "omnibus" R&O), the delay will be 60 days rather than 30, but I'm
not
sure if that is true.


As of last Friday, it had not been published in the Federal Register.

Thanks, Dee.

That means Dec 26 at the earliest. Effective date Jan 26 at the
earliest.

This
new Report and Order do not modify the "omnibus" R & O and stands completely
on its own.

??

I thought it modifies the "omnibus" R&O by moving the automated data
segment on 80 meters to 3585-3600.

Whether that invokes a 60 day rule is another issue.

However, it could easily be 60 days from the announcement as it
may take up to 30 days to get published in the Federal Register and then
another 30 days for its implementation date.

Agreed.

In any event it's at least a month away. Maybe more.

73 de Jim, N2EY

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Dee Flint wrote:
wrote in message
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Robert Casey wrote:
Back a year or three, there was a thread asking for peoples'
predictions
on when the FCC would do no-code for all licenses. So who came
closest?
I know that I didn't.

Hello Robert,

I don't know if the Report and Order has been published in the Federal
Register
yet. The new rules cannot become effective until at least 30 days after
that.
I have been told that because the Report and Order modifies an earlier
one
(the "omnibus" R&O), the delay will be 60 days rather than 30, but I'm
not
sure if that is true.


As of last Friday, it had not been published in the Federal Register.

Thanks, Dee.

That means Dec 26 at the earliest. Effective date Jan 26 at the
earliest.

This
new Report and Order do not modify the "omnibus" R & O and stands
completely
on its own.

??

I thought it modifies the "omnibus" R&O by moving the automated data
segment on 80 meters to 3585-3600.

Whether that invokes a 60 day rule is another issue.


The way it reads sounds like it is being treated as a "new" ruling rather
than modifying the last R&O. But it is hard to say until it is published on
what they will do with the implementation date.

However, it could easily be 60 days from the announcement as it
may take up to 30 days to get published in the Federal Register and then
another 30 days for its implementation date.

Agreed.

In any event it's at least a month away. Maybe more.

73 de Jim, N2EY


However, I've got my VE team ready to handle extra applicants in Feb, Mar, &
Apr. It's better to have extra people on hand and not need them than to be
short.

Dee, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:
wrote in message
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Dee Flint wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
Robert Casey wrote:
Back a year or three, there was a thread asking for peoples'
predictions
on when the FCC would do no-code for all licenses. So who came
closest?
I know that I didn't.

Hello Robert,

I don't know if the Report and Order has been published in the Federal
Register
yet. The new rules cannot become effective until at least 30 days after
that.
I have been told that because the Report and Order modifies an earlier
one
(the "omnibus" R&O), the delay will be 60 days rather than 30, but I'm
not
sure if that is true.


As of last Friday, it had not been published in the Federal Register.

Thanks, Dee.

That means Dec 26 at the earliest. Effective date Jan 26 at the
earliest.

Every day it's not in the Federal Register, the effective date moves a
day....

This
new Report and Order do not modify the "omnibus" R & O and stands
completely
on its own.

??

I thought it modifies the "omnibus" R&O by moving the automated data
segment on 80 meters to 3585-3600.

Whether that invokes a 60 day rule is another issue.


The way it reads sounds like it is being treated as a "new" ruling rather
than modifying the last R&O. But it is hard to say until it is published on
what they will do with the implementation date.

Agreed.

I'd bet on 30 days, not 60.

However, it could easily be 60 days from the announcement as it
may take up to 30 days to get published in the Federal Register and then
another 30 days for its implementation date.

Agreed.

In any event it's at least a month away. Maybe more.

However, I've got my VE team ready to handle extra applicants in Feb, Mar, &
Apr. It's better to have extra people on hand and not need them than to be
short.

Excellent!

There may also be a rush of folks in the next few weeks who want to
upgrade or be licensed *before* the changes take place.

73 de Jim, N2EY

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Robert Casey wrote:
Back a year or three, there was a thread asking for peoples' predictions
on when the FCC would do no-code for all licenses. So who came closest?
I know that I didn't.

Hello Robert,

SNIP
Here's an update on the "when will FCC drop Element 1?" pool.
This means the effective date of the FCC action that completely
eliminates Morse Code testing for any class of amateur radio
license in the USA.

Note how almost all the predicted dates and all of the *second*
predicted dates have already passed:

WA2SI: September 13, 2003 (first prediction)
KF6TPT: September 29, 2003
KC8EPO: December 31, 2003
K2UNK: January 1, 2004 (first prediction)
K2ASP: March 15, 2004
AA2QA: April 1, 2004
N2EY: April 15, 2004
N3KIP: May 1, 2004 (first prediction)
KC8PMX: July 1, 2004
WA2ISE: August 1, 2004
K3LT: September 15, 2004
WK3C: December 30, 2004
N4PGW: May 22, 2005
N8UZE: July 1, 2005 (first prediction)
N3KIP: December 31, 2005 (second prediction)
N8UZE: January 31, 2006 (second prediction)
N2EY: March 1, 2006 (second prediction)
KB9RQZ: April 1, 2006
K2UNK: July 1, 2006 (second prediction)
AB2RC: July 1, 2007
KB3EIA: July 5, 2007
W5TIT: June 1, 2008
WA2SI: Complete elimination not within the foreseeable future (second
prediction)

Right now it looks like AB2RC is the winner, with K2UNK a close second.

Even though K2UNK's date is closer to the announcement date, the rule
states "effective date of the FCC action that completely eliminates
Morse Code testing for any class of amateur radio license in the USA".
Which cannot be any earlier than January 19, 2007, and will probably be
late February or even early March 2007 if the 60 day rule is in effect.

Hi Jim and the few others that can still post a mmessage in RRAP that
indicates some common sense, logic and respect.

Hey, a close second... :-)

Who'd a thought the FCC would footdrag as long as they did.

Maybe I should start a new pool, in which people get to predict the
growth
or decline in the number of US amateurs by a certain date after the new
rules.....

How about a pool on when the inmates running the RRAP asylum will
finalkly wear themselves out. I can't believe these characters have
the time which they devooote to their infintile and sophmoric
postings.

Cheers to the goodguys like Jim who have stuck it out.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.

Bill K2UNK