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Dave Heil · February 6th 07, 01:16 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

wrote:

As of 5 Feb 07 the above is unfortunately true in here.

With a couple of exceptions (Dee and Hans Brakob of
the past), and some mentions by a few "non-regulars,"
all the "regulars" have degenerated into their old
habits of putting themselves on their self-built
pedestals and sneering at others "not as good as
They."

....except that your pronouncement isn't true. There are precious few
potential radio amateurs appearing here. You have haunted this
newsgroup for over a decade without bothering to take an amateur radio
licensing exam, much less to pass one. You aren't a new amateur radio
op and you aren't likely to become one. Your posting style is full of
insults and rudeness. As you have found, you reap what you sow.

That's the self-serving selfishness John
speaks of.

You aren't a licensed radio amateur. Your posts are certainly
self-serving. I've never heard of self-serving selfishness.

The best they can do is mouth old, trite phrases used in the 1930s.

....while you use the same, tired Stephen Wright jokes over and over.

The year 2007 is over seven decades from that.

Your boast of getting that "Extra right out of the box" is itself seven
years old. Your first post to this newsgroup took place over ten years
ago.

Society and technology
has changed remarkably from that old time.

No kidding, Len? Do you think that things that represent societal norms
are better now than they were decades ago?

Most of these "old regulars" love to heap abuse on
me, a person who has been IN "radio" since 1952 but
has "failed" to get an amateur radio license.

You failed to mention your behavior here--the behavior which allows you
to heap abuse on others without expecting it in return.

In regard to your failure to achieve an amateur radio license, you
declared an interest in amateur radio spanning decades. You've posted
to an amateur radio interest newsgroup for better than a decade. You've
boasted that you would obtain the highest class U.S. amateur radio
license "right out of the box" in a statement made seven years ago.
Have you acted on obtaining that or any amateur radio license?

[my Commercial First 'Phone granted in 1956 is somehow
cast aside in their personal vendettas and vitriol]
Hey, no sweat, I've heard all of that acidity long
before. Doesn't faze me.

Your commercial First Phone ticket is not an amateur radio license.
This is not a commercial radio newsgroup. A commercial license is "cast
aside" by the FCC with regard to the obtaining of an amateur radio
license. You would have to meet the same amateur radio licensing
requirements as anyone else before you'd be issued an amateur license.

I'm still undecided on whether or not to take
advantage of the NO-CODE-TEST regulations coming
up. Of what advantage would it be?

I'll try to make this as uncomplicated as I can, Len:
You would be able to operate an amateur radio station in the amateur bands.

For me or anyone not licensed as an amateur?

Your non-sentence aside, the result would be the same for you as for
anyone else.

Our society is
fully engaged in using "radio" in many (and
remarkable) ways, usually without any need for an
amateur license.

As interesting as I find your statement, one who expresses interest in
amateur radio, haunts an amateur radio newsgroup and boast that he is
going to get the top license immediately must have found a reason to
obtain an amateur radio license.

What "need" is it?

Why not tell us what you perceived your need to be?

Belonging to
an "exclusive community?" Dozens of ways to do
that anywhere in this country.

You could live in a gated community with country club privileges. You
could wear Gucci loafers and sip Campari in an ultra-expensive night
spot. You cold live in an area which fights tooth and nail to prevent
zoning changes which would change the neighborhood or you could belong
to that very exclusive group of newsgroup crackpots which plagues groups
in which it does not participate.

To belong to a
"proud heritage" of pioneers? Sorry, but the vast
majority of actual radio pioneering was done by the
professionals, the entrepreneurs, the academics,
the folks in the electronics industry.

Then you might have misdirected your haunting of newsgroups.

Perhaps
to be able to "sign" an amateur station call sign
behind their name? That's a misuse of honors, a
copy-catting of pretend significance, of puffing
out enlarged egos. Passing any amateur radio
test is NOT any sort of academic achievement.

It isn't up to you to worry over someone who uses his amateur radio
callsign, Len. You aren't involved. Your plaintive cries over pretend
significance and enlarged egos are those of an outsider shouting, "but
look at what I've done!"

If you can't get into the electronics industry or
academia, then the Masons, Shriners, Elks or Moose
or similar fraternal orders can satisfy "belonging
to a 'proud tradition of fraternalism'" and they
probably have a nice bar in their local hang-out.

All of those options are open to you, Len. If that is your object, join
one of those organizations. They likely have a nice, warm lodge hall
where you might be accepted as one of the gang. By the way, Shriners
*are* Masons.

If you happen to just LIKE radio-electronics then it
is best NOT ever to mention that; olde-tymers don't
want to hear "fun" expressed unless it is to THEIR
"standards" of having fun.

You are able to have all of the fun you are capable of having by
tinkering with electronics. That isn't amateur radio, but why let that
bother you? Lots of folks who aren't radio amateurs enjoy electronics.
Amateur radio may not be the thing for you.

Is that sig of yours a misuse of honors or a copycatting of pretend
significance?

Dave K8MN

[email protected] · February 6th 07, 07:34 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

From: Dave Heil on Tue, 06 Feb 2007 01:16:22 GMT

wrote:

As of 5 Feb 07 the above is unfortunately true in here.

With a couple of exceptions (Dee and Hans Brakob of
the past), and some mentions by a few "non-regulars,"
all the "regulars" have degenerated into their old
habits of putting themselves on their self-built
pedestals and sneering at others "not as good as
They."

...except that your pronouncement isn't true.

Incorrect, faulty, mistaken. Your whole reply is a
REAFFIRMATION of what I wrote. :-)

There are precious few
potential radio amateurs appearing here.

Incorrect, faulty, mistaken...except for "precious."

The standout in here was Val Germann of Missouri,
making "precious" noises about morse code. Germann
has yet to upgrade from Tech.

"Precious" can be applied to a pair of cute 4-year-olds
who each got an amateur radio license in 1998.

You have haunted this
newsgroup for over a decade without bothering to take an amateur radio
licensing exam, much less to pass one.

A newsgroup is NOT amateur radio. No "license" is needed
to either read or post in a newsgroup.

You have NO AUTHORITY to demand all in here be licensed
for anything.

You aren't a new amateur radio
op and you aren't likely to become one.

I haven't been a "new" radio operator since 1953.

I was granted a COMMERCIAL radio operator license 50 years
ago...it is still on record although the FCC modified all
three Radiotelephone Operator classes into on General class
about 1985. Look it up in the FCC ULS if you must.

You cannot foretell the future. No human has proven to be
prescient. What you blurt out is nothing but a rude and
insulting remark.

Your posting style is full of insults and rudeness.

Incorrect. I am direct, sometimes terse, and do not
back down from rude, insulting control-freaks who
love not radio but just to shove others around.

As you have found, you reap what you sow.

The only thing I've sown is some grass seed. That came up
nicely. The California Pocket Gophers in this neighbor-
hood attempted to eat it from below. They were gassed.

The only "sow" encountered in the last decade have been
some transgendered porcine types who thought they were
gods of radio and attempted pushing many of us NCTA
around.

That's the self-serving selfishness John
speaks of.

You aren't a licensed radio amateur.

Quite true. I am a LICENSED COMMERCIAL (professional)
radio operator. The FCC said I was.

Everyone who does not have an amateur radio license
is not licensed in the amateur radio service. Of
course. Obvious. You are being very redundant.
As well as rotund. Going in circles, nowhere.

Your posts are certainly self-serving.

No. My computer(s) have no AI capability. They won't
serve me anything. All they do is act like computers.

I've never heard of self-serving selfishness.

That was a FIGURE OF SPEECH, Herr Pedant. Everytime I
use a figure of speech, you pedant in your pants.

The best they can do is mouth old, trite phrases used in the 1930s.

...while you use the same, tired Stephen Wright jokes over and over.

I do not know of this "Stephen Wright." For what it is
worth, I am also a paid joke writer selling only ORIGINAL
material. Would you like to see my AFTRA card?

Your boast of getting that "Extra right out of the box" is itself seven
years old. Your first post to this newsgroup took place over ten years
ago.

Irrelevant. I did not "boast" anything. That is your
FABRICATION.

My first post in any computer-modem venue took place in
the first week of December, 1984. That was 22 years ago
(and a fraction).

In the period of 7 years, one can conceive a child, teach
it all about morse code and English language comprehension
sufficient to score correct written answers on an amateur
radio test, get their picture published by the ARRL, then
enter kindergarten. Have you done this? Has Miccolis
done this?

Have you EVER treated a human being in a friendly manner
without ordering them around? There is "precious" little
evidence of that in here...other than with a few like-
minded morse-inflated ego types.

You failed to mention your behavior here--the behavior which allows you
to heap abuse on others without expecting it in return.

Incorrect, Mistaken, False. You do not understand true
debate and the exchange of opinions. You don't because
you've never attempted to do that. What you EXPECT is
gratuitous "congratulations" and the mistaken notion of
innate "respect" you think is owed you...just because you
once passed the highest-rate morse code exam and some
extra questions.

I am quite used to your type of personality, one of the
self-inflated ego-driven variety. I've been immersed
in social interaction with your kind all of my adult life.
I've survived none the worse for wear...yet you are the
bitter fabricator, the sore loser personified over a
very recent federal agency decision and ruling.

In regard to your failure to achieve an amateur radio license, you
declared an interest in amateur radio spanning decades.

Incorrect, Mistaken, Faulty. YOU fabricated some specialized
"interest" out of my (several) statements expressing an
interest in radio-electronics.

I've explained of how my interest in radio came about
as an adult: A fortuitous assignment to a large HF
communications station while in the US Army. None of
that involved "amateur radio."

You've posted
to an amateur radio interest newsgroup for better than a decade.

I've written and edited in an amateur radio magazine
over a decade before that. I've written letters on
the advocacy of eliminating the morse code test. My
advocacy in this newsgroup has been to eliminate the
code test for an amateur radio license. That was
stated out in the open in here during that whole
decade. I have several friends who have been licensed
radio amateurs for much longer than a decade, much
longer than several decades.

You've
boasted that you would obtain the highest class U.S. amateur radio
license "right out of the box" in a statement made seven years ago.

I have not "BOASTED." That is your fabrication. I
made a statement that I "could" based on the amateur
radio written tests of that time.

If all you have to attempt discrediting me is some
FABRICATIONS, then

Have you acted on obtaining that or any amateur radio license?

I am not an actor and don't play one on TV. I've
only done voice-overs. Would you like to see my
AFTRA card? :-)

[my Commercial First 'Phone granted in 1956 is somehow
cast aside in their personal vendettas and vitriol]
Hey, no sweat, I've heard all of that acidity long
before. Doesn't faze me.

Your commercial First Phone ticket is not an amateur radio license.

I've never said it was anything but a "First Class
Radiotelephone (Commercial) Radio Operator License"
to quote the FCC on my first certificate of that, or
the colloquial "First 'Phone."

This is not a commercial radio newsgroup.

Yet all can see the usual subliminal ads for the ARRL in
the Believers' evangelical parroting of their words and
phrases. [St. Hiram be praised]

A commercial license is "cast
aside" by the FCC with regard to the obtaining of an amateur radio
license.

The FCC has NEVER "cast aside" my First 'Phone nor
subsequent GROL. It is still in the FCC URL records
and still current.

The requirements for an amateur radio license are all
explained in Title 47 C.F.R. Part 97.501 and following.
The requirements for commercial radio operator
licenses are given in regulations of Title 47 C.F.R.
Part 13. Do you understand these instructions as they
have been explained to you? If not, the court will
appoint an attorney to assist you.

You would have to meet the same amateur radio licensing
requirements as anyone else before you'd be issued an amateur license.

I've not said anything to the contrary. The LAW is
quite clear enough on the issue of civil US radio.
You seem confused as to the differences of LAW and
your imaginings.

YOU are NOT any law official. You are merely officious.

I'll try to make this as uncomplicated as I can, Len:
You would be able to operate an amateur radio station in the amateur bands.

I am quite able to "operate an amateur radio station."
With or without a license. You failed (once more) to
make your point that it would be ILLEGAL to operate
AS IF one were a licensed radio amateur if no US amateur
radio license had been granted to that operator.

Any radio operator license does NOT automatically
ENABLE anyone to "operate an amateur radio station."
ABILITY of anyone to "operate an amateur radio station"
has nothing at all to do with licensing. The license
is merely an AUTHORIZATION by the US federal government
to operate. Do you understand the definition as it has
been explained to you? If not, the court will appoint
a dictionary to assist you.

As they said in the TV control booth, "Take Black."
In this case "Black's Law Dictionary." :-)

As interesting as I find your statement, one who expresses interest in
amateur radio, haunts an amateur radio newsgroup and boast that he is
going to get the top license immediately must have found a reason to
obtain an amateur radio license.

No "BOAST" was ever made. I do not "HAUNT." I may
PLAY at being a ghost on Halloween...and have. Boooo!

I "express an interest" in ALL radio. So much so
that I made electronics and radio a life career early-
on, despite having an aptitude for (called "talent")
and experience IN commercial illustration ("art" where
the artist draws/paints/inks things as they really are).

Why do YOU attempt constant "haunting" of anyone who
does not agree with your mighty claims and boasts of
"radio operation" to/from faraway lands?

Why not tell us what you perceived your need to be?

Why indeed? Have you understood my previous explanations
as I've explained them to you? If not, the court will
appoint a psychiatrist to assist and analyze you.

You could live in a gated community with country club privileges.

I live (in the southern house) back-yard to back-yard
with a gated community called "Montelena." 44 homes
built on 15 acres of what was undeveloped wilderness.
That community has NO "country club" there.

You
could wear Gucci loafers and sip Campari in an ultra-expensive night
spot.

? Is that one of your "requirements" for amateur radio?

Strange. Strange.

You cold live in an area which fights tooth and nail to prevent
zoning changes which would change the neighborhood or you could belong
to that very exclusive group of newsgroup crackpots which plagues groups
in which it does not participate.

Are you suffering from a plague? See medical assistance as
soon as possible!

Are you suffering from plaque? Seek dental assistance as
soon as possible.

"Fighting tooth and nail?" No nails were used in the attempt
to change a local zoning board ruling, just the democratic
processes of the neighborhood getting together (also meeting
at the local church), petitioning, then speaking before the
zoning commission in public. Neither were "teeth" involved.
See your dentist regularly for better oral hygience. That
will help keep your dentures in place when you snarl and
grimace so much. Especially when you boil over and shout.

That SINGLE LOCAL zoning incident resulted in a change from
residential single-family homes to residential multiple
family (apartments, condos, etc) homes. The gated community
you and Miccolis refer to is the "Montelena" I mentioned
above...which has only single-family homes now. Nothing
whatsoever in that alleged "tooth and nail" debate involved
any "radio" subjects, not even TV cable or satellite down-
link, certainly not amateur radio antenna installations.

Now, if your parroting Miccolis MANUFACTURED moral-ethical
"fault" would stop we might all learn to get along. That was
NOT a "radio" issue of any kind. It had absolutely NOTHING
to do with "radio," either amateur or commercial. Do you
understand those explanations as they have been given you?
If not the court will appoint a two-by-four to lay across
your head at no cost to you.

Then you might have misdirected your haunting of newsgroups.

Tsk. You don't have a ghost of a chance of understanding
anything but "professional amateurism," do you? :-)

It isn't up to you to worry over someone who uses his amateur radio
callsign, Len.

NO "worrying" was done. :-) A high degree of persistence
in advocacy of eliminating the morse code test from
license testing done over a period greater than two
decades was done. That was just a POLITICAL matter that
was finally settled by FCC 06-178 released on 15 Dec 06.
Do you understand those explanations as they've been
explained to you? If not the court will appoint someone
of sound mind to attempt making you understand.

You aren't involved.

Yes, I was quite involved. FCC 06-178 resulted on the
part of thousands who "involved" themselves in making
their lawful comments to the US federal government.
The code test for any class amateur radio license in the
USA will be GONE very soon. Do you understand FCC
Reports and Orders as they've been explained to you?
If not, the court will appoint a federal attorney to
explain the Consitution of the US and basic civics to
you.

Your plaintive cries over pretend
significance and enlarged egos are those of an outsider shouting, "but
look at what I've done!"

I've never worked Frenchmen out of band. I've never had
to "synchronize teleprinters" by means of on-off keying
morse code in the 1980s. I've never served in the State
Department and bragged about BEING "DX."

Your continuing PRETENSE at being a near-equivalent god of
radio through amateurism has been duly noted. By all
readers of this newsgroup.

You are able to have all of the fun you are capable of having by
tinkering with electronics.

"Tinkering?" :-) A working career that included duties
of responsible project engineer is just "tinkering?!?" :-)

That isn't amateur radio, but why let that
bother you?

"Amateur" is a regulatory definition of one who engages
in an activity WITHOUT monetary compensation. That is
ALSO the definition of a HOBBY. HOBBY.

LICENSED amateur radio is what you should have written.
LICENSED, AUTHORIZED by the only civil radio regulatory
agency of the United States government. Have you under-
stood the definitions as they were explained to you?
If not, the court may appoint a bailiff to place you
under arrest until medical science has come up with an
explanation for your serious mental confusion.

Lots of folks who aren't radio amateurs enjoy electronics.

...and you think ALL of them are monetarily compensated if
they do not have federal authorization to transmit RF on
certain bands with certain modulation modes according to
federal regulations? Not so.

See? That is your extreme CONFUSION. You mistakenly
label "radio amateurs" as ONLY the "licensed." Your EGO
has given way to logic and reason...but, then, everyone
has already seen that...

Is that sig of yours a misuse of honors or a copycatting of pretend
significance?

My end-of-message IDENTIFICATION is merely an E-MAIL
FORWARDING ALIAS. See the header "From" line. My
professional association (IEEE, 34 years) provides
that forwarding alias free of charge to all IEEE
Members. That one-way forwarding alias includes some
"spam" filtering as an extra "filter" to remove
unwanted advertising e-mail. Such a forwarding
alias in little different than that used by the ARRL
for amateur radio members, conveying no more
significance than any other forwarding alias.

Do you understand this e-mail forwarding definition as
it has been explained to you? If not, the court will
appoint yet another dead horse for you to beat upon.

[...and the beat goes on...]

LA

[email protected] · February 6th 07, 07:39 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

From: Dave Heil on Tue, 06 Feb 2007 01:16:22 GMT

wrote:

As of 5 Feb 07 the above is unfortunately true in here.

With a couple of exceptions (Dee and Hans Brakob of
the past), and some mentions by a few "non-regulars,"
all the "regulars" have degenerated into their old
habits of putting themselves on their self-built
pedestals and sneering at others "not as good as
They."

...except that your pronouncement isn't true.

Incorrect, faulty, mistaken. Your whole reply is a
REAFFIRMATION of what I wrote. :-)

There are precious few
potential radio amateurs appearing here.

Incorrect, faulty, mistaken...except for "precious."

The standout in here was Val Germann of Missouri,
making "precious" noises about morse code. Germann
has yet to upgrade from Tech.

"Precious" can be applied to a pair of cute 4-year-olds
who each got an amateur radio license in 1998.

You have haunted this
newsgroup for over a decade without bothering to take an amateur radio
licensing exam, much less to pass one.

A newsgroup is NOT amateur radio. No "license" is needed
to either read or post in a newsgroup.

You have NO AUTHORITY to demand all in here be licensed
for anything.

You aren't a new amateur radio
op and you aren't likely to become one.

I haven't been a "new" radio operator since 1953.

I was granted a COMMERCIAL radio operator license 50 years
ago...it is still on record although the FCC modified all
three Radiotelephone Operator classes into on General class
about 1985. Look it up in the FCC ULS if you must.

You cannot foretell the future. No human has proven to be
prescient. What you blurt out is nothing but a rude and
insulting remark.

Your posting style is full of insults and rudeness.

Incorrect. I am direct, sometimes terse, and do not
back down from rude, insulting control-freaks who
love not radio but just to shove others around.

As you have found, you reap what you sow.

The only thing I've sown is some grass seed. That came up
nicely. The California Pocket Gophers in this neighbor-
hood attempted to eat it from below. They were gassed.

The only "sow" encountered in the last decade have been
some transgendered porcine types who thought they were
gods of radio and attempted pushing many of us NCTA
around.

That's the self-serving selfishness John
speaks of.

You aren't a licensed radio amateur.

Quite true. I am a LICENSED COMMERCIAL (professional)
radio operator. The FCC said I was.

Everyone who does not have an amateur radio license
is not licensed in the amateur radio service. Of
course. Obvious. You are being very redundant.
As well as rotund. Going in circles, nowhere.

Your posts are certainly self-serving.

No. My computer(s) have no AI capability. They won't
serve me anything. All they do is act like computers.

I've never heard of self-serving selfishness.

That was a FIGURE OF SPEECH, Herr Pedant. Everytime I
use a figure of speech, you pedant in your pants.

The best they can do is mouth old, trite phrases used in the 1930s.

...while you use the same, tired Stephen Wright jokes over and over.

I do not know of this "Stephen Wright." For what it is
worth, I am also a paid joke writer selling only ORIGINAL
material. Would you like to see my AFTRA card?

Your boast of getting that "Extra right out of the box" is itself seven
years old. Your first post to this newsgroup took place over ten years
ago.

Irrelevant. I did not "boast" anything. That is your
FABRICATION.

My first post in any computer-modem venue took place in
the first week of December, 1984. That was 22 years ago
(and a fraction).

In the period of 7 years, one can conceive a child, teach
it all about morse code and English language comprehension
sufficient to score correct written answers on an amateur
radio test, get their picture published by the ARRL, then
enter kindergarten. Have you done this? Has Miccolis
done this?

Have you EVER treated a human being in a friendly manner
without ordering them around? There is "precious" little
evidence of that in here...other than with a few like-
minded morse-inflated ego types.

You failed to mention your behavior here--the behavior which allows you
to heap abuse on others without expecting it in return.

Incorrect, Mistaken, False. You do not understand true
debate and the exchange of opinions. You don't because
you've never attempted to do that. What you EXPECT is
gratuitous "congratulations" and the mistaken notion of
innate "respect" you think is owed you...just because you
once passed the highest-rate morse code exam and some
extra questions.

I am quite used to your type of personality, one of the
self-inflated ego-driven variety. I've been immersed
in social interaction with your kind all of my adult life.
I've survived none the worse for wear...yet you are the
bitter fabricator, the sore loser personified over a
very recent federal agency decision and ruling.

In regard to your failure to achieve an amateur radio license, you
declared an interest in amateur radio spanning decades.

Incorrect, Mistaken, Faulty. YOU fabricated some specialized
"interest" out of my (several) statements expressing an
interest in radio-electronics.

I've explained of how my interest in radio came about
as an adult: A fortuitous assignment to a large HF
communications station while in the US Army. None of
that involved "amateur radio."

You've posted
to an amateur radio interest newsgroup for better than a decade.

I've written and edited in an amateur radio magazine
over a decade before that. I've written letters on
the advocacy of eliminating the morse code test. My
advocacy in this newsgroup has been to eliminate the
code test for an amateur radio license. That was
stated out in the open in here during that whole
decade. I have several friends who have been licensed
radio amateurs for much longer than a decade, much
longer than several decades.

You've
boasted that you would obtain the highest class U.S. amateur radio
license "right out of the box" in a statement made seven years ago.

I have not "BOASTED." That is your fabrication. I
made a statement that I "could" based on the amateur
radio written tests of that time.

If all you have to attempt discrediting me is some
FABRICATIONS, then

Have you acted on obtaining that or any amateur radio license?

I am not an actor and don't play one on TV. I've
only done voice-overs. Would you like to see my
AFTRA card? :-)

[my Commercial First 'Phone granted in 1956 is somehow
cast aside in their personal vendettas and vitriol]
Hey, no sweat, I've heard all of that acidity long
before. Doesn't faze me.

Your commercial First Phone ticket is not an amateur radio license.

I've never said it was anything but a "First Class
Radiotelephone (Commercial) Radio Operator License"
to quote the FCC on my first certificate of that, or
the colloquial "First 'Phone."

This is not a commercial radio newsgroup.

Yet all can see the usual subliminal ads for the ARRL in
the Believers' evangelical parroting of their words and
phrases. [St. Hiram be praised]

A commercial license is "cast
aside" by the FCC with regard to the obtaining of an amateur radio
license.

The FCC has NEVER "cast aside" my First 'Phone nor
subsequent GROL. It is still in the FCC URL records
and still current.

The requirements for an amateur radio license are all
explained in Title 47 C.F.R. Part 97.501 and following.
The requirements for commercial radio operator
licenses are given in regulations of Title 47 C.F.R.
Part 13. Do you understand these instructions as they
have been explained to you? If not, the court will
appoint an attorney to assist you.

You would have to meet the same amateur radio licensing
requirements as anyone else before you'd be issued an amateur license.

I've not said anything to the contrary. The LAW is
quite clear enough on the issue of civil US radio.
You seem confused as to the differences of LAW and
your imaginings.

YOU are NOT any law official. You are merely officious.

I'll try to make this as uncomplicated as I can, Len:
You would be able to operate an amateur radio station in the amateur bands.

I am quite able to "operate an amateur radio station."
With or without a license. You failed (once more) to
make your point that it would be ILLEGAL to operate
AS IF one were a licensed radio amateur if no US amateur
radio license had been granted to that operator.

Any radio operator license does NOT automatically
ENABLE anyone to "operate an amateur radio station."
ABILITY of anyone to "operate an amateur radio station"
has nothing at all to do with licensing. The license
is merely an AUTHORIZATION by the US federal government
to operate. Do you understand the definition as it has
been explained to you? If not, the court will appoint
a dictionary to assist you.

As they said in the TV control booth, "Take Black."
In this case "Black's Law Dictionary." :-)

As interesting as I find your statement, one who expresses interest in
amateur radio, haunts an amateur radio newsgroup and boast that he is
going to get the top license immediately must have found a reason to
obtain an amateur radio license.

No "BOAST" was ever made. I do not "HAUNT." I may
PLAY at being a ghost on Halloween...and have. Boooo!

I "express an interest" in ALL radio. So much so
that I made electronics and radio a life career early-
on, despite having an aptitude for (called "talent")
and experience IN commercial illustration ("art" where
the artist draws/paints/inks things as they really are).

Why do YOU attempt constant "haunting" of anyone who
does not agree with your mighty claims and boasts of
"radio operation" to/from faraway lands?

Why not tell us what you perceived your need to be?

Why indeed? Have you understood my previous explanations
as I've explained them to you? If not, the court will
appoint a psychiatrist to assist you.

You could live in a gated community with country club privileges.

I live (in the southern house) back-yard to back-yard
with a gated community called "Montelena." 44 homes
built on 15 acres of what was undeveloped wilderness.
That community has NO "country club" there.

You
could wear Gucci loafers and sip Campari in an ultra-expensive night
spot.

? Is that one of your "requirements" for amateur radio?

Strange. Strange.

You cold live in an area which fights tooth and nail to prevent
zoning changes which would change the neighborhood or you could belong
to that very exclusive group of newsgroup crackpots which plagues groups
in which it does not participate.

Are you suffering from a plague? See medical assistance as
soon as possible!

Are you suffering from plaque? Seek dental assistance as
soon as possible.

"Fighting tooth and nail?" No nails were used in the attempt
to change a local zoning board ruling, just the democratic
processes of the neighborhood getting together (also meeting
at the local church), petitioning, then speaking before the
zoning commission in public. Neither were "teeth" involved.
See your dentist regularly for better oral hygience. That
will help keep your dentures in place when you snarl and
grimace so much. Especially when you boil over and shout.

That SINGLE LOCAL zoning incident resulted in a change from
residential single-family homes to residential multiple
family (apartments, condos, etc) homes. The gated community
you and Miccolis refer to is the "Montelena" I mentioned
above...which has only single-family homes now. Nothing
whatsoever in that alleged "tooth and nail" debate involved
any "radio" subjects, not even TV cable or satellite down-
link, certainly not amateur radio antenna installations.

Now, if your parroting Miccolis MANUFACTURED moral-ethical
"fault" would stop we might all learn to get along. That was
NOT a "radio" issue of any kind. It had absolutely NOTHING
to do with "radio," either amateur or commercial. Do you
understand those explanations as they have been given you?
If not the court will appoint a two-by-four to lay across
your head at no cost to you.

Then you might have misdirected your haunting of newsgroups.

Tsk. You don't have a ghost of a chance of understanding
anything but "professional amateurism," do you? :-)

It isn't up to you to worry over someone who uses his amateur radio
callsign, Len.

NO "worrying" was done. :-) A high degree of persistence
in advocacy of eliminating the morse code test from
license testing done over a period greater than two
decades was done. That was just a POLITICAL matter that
was finally settled by FCC 06-178 released on 15 Dec 06.
Do you understand those explanations as they've been
explained to you? If not the court will appoint someone
of sound mind to attempt making you understand.

You aren't involved.

Yes, I was quite involved. FCC 06-178 resulted on the
part of thousands who "involved" themselves in making
their lawful comments to the US federal government.
The code test for any class amateur radio license in the
USA will be GONE very soon. Do you understand FCC
Reports and Orders as they've been explained to you?
If not, the court will appoint a federal attorney to
explain the Consitution of the US and basic civics to
you.

Your plaintive cries over pretend
significance and enlarged egos are those of an outsider shouting, "but
look at what I've done!"

I've never worked Frenchmen out of band. I've never had
to "synchronize teleprinters" by means of on-off keying
morse code in the 1980s. I've never served in the State
Department and bragged about BEING "DX."

Your continuing PRETENSE at being a near-equivalent god of
radio through amateurism has been duly noted. By all
readers of this newsgroup.

You are able to have all of the fun you are capable of having by
tinkering with electronics.

"Tinkering?" :-) A working career that included duties
of responsible project engineer is just "tinkering?!?" :-)

That isn't amateur radio, but why let that
bother you?

"Amateur" is a regulatory definition of one who engages
in an activity WITHOUT monetary compensation. That is
ALSO the definition of a HOBBY. HOBBY.

LICENSED amateur radio is what you should have written.
LICENSED, AUTHORIZED by the only civil radio regulatory
agency of the United States government. Have you under-
stood the definitions as they were explained to you?
If not, the court may appoint a bailiff to place you
under arrest until medical science has come up with an
explanation for your serious mental confusion.

Lots of folks who aren't radio amateurs enjoy electronics.

...and you think ALL of them are monetarily compensated if
they do not have federal authorization to transmit RF on
certain bands with certain modulation modes according to
federal regulations? Not so.

See? That is your extreme CONFUSION. You mistakenly
label "radio amateurs" as ONLY the "licensed." Your EGO
has given way to logic and reason...but, then, everyone
has already seen that...

Is that sig of yours a misuse of honors or a copycatting of pretend
significance?

My end-of-message IDENTIFICATION is merely an E-MAIL
FORWARDING ALIAS. See the header "From" line. My
professional association (IEEE, 34 years) provides
that forwarding alias free of charge to all IEEE
Members. That one-way forwarding alias includes some
"spam" filtering as an extra "filter" to remove
unwanted advertising e-mail. Such a forwarding
alias in little different than that used by the ARRL
for amateur radio members, conveying no more
significance than any other forwarding alias.

Do you understand this e-mail forwarding definition as
it has been explained to you? If not, the court will
appoint yet another dead horse for you to beat upon.

[...and the beat goes on...]

LA

Dave Heil · February 6th 07, 08:38 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Tue, 06 Feb 2007 01:16:22 GMT

wrote:

As of 5 Feb 07 the above is unfortunately true in here.
With a couple of exceptions (Dee and Hans Brakob of
the past), and some mentions by a few "non-regulars,"
all the "regulars" have degenerated into their old
habits of putting themselves on their self-built
pedestals and sneering at others "not as good as
They."
...except that your pronouncement isn't true.

Incorrect, faulty, mistaken. Your whole reply is a
REAFFIRMATION of what I wrote. :-)

My statement is correct. N2EY has never been other than civilized with
you. His demeanor is in direct contrast with yours, especially when you
reply to him.

There are precious few
potential radio amateurs appearing here.

Incorrect, faulty, mistaken...except for "precious."

My statement is correct. The overwhelming majority of posters to this
newsgroup are licensed radio amateurs.

The standout in here was Val Germann of Missouri,
making "precious" noises about morse code. Germann
has yet to upgrade from Tech.

You should be happy for him.

"Precious" can be applied to a pair of cute 4-year-olds
who each got an amateur radio license in 1998.

The word "precious" may be applied to numerous things.

You have haunted this
newsgroup for over a decade without bothering to take an amateur radio
licensing exam, much less to pass one.

A newsgroup is NOT amateur radio.

That's correct. This particular newsgroup deals with amateur radio.

No "license" is needed
to either read or post in a newsgroup.

Lucky for you.

You have NO AUTHORITY to demand all in here be licensed
for anything.

I've never made a demand that you obtain an amateur radio license. In
fact, I much prefer that you didn't.

You aren't a new amateur radio
op and you aren't likely to become one.

I haven't been a "new" radio operator since 1953.

Precisely. You have yet to become a radio amateur. When and if you
ever obtain such a license, you'll be a new amateur radio op.

I was granted a COMMERCIAL radio operator license 50 years
ago...it is still on record although the FCC modified all
three Radiotelephone Operator classes into on General class
about 1985. Look it up in the FCC ULS if you must.

I don't care about it, Len. It isn't an amateur radio license.
In amateur radio, it qualifies you for nothing.

You cannot foretell the future. No human has proven to be
prescient.

I predict that you will never obtain an amateur radio license during
your lifetime. Now let's sit back and see if I've accurately predicted
the future.

What you blurt out is nothing but a rude and
insulting remark.

Pity we don't know what remark that is. You seemed to have snipped it.

Your posting style is full of insults and rudeness.

Incorrect.

My statement is absolutely correct.

I am direct, sometimes terse, and do not
back down from rude, insulting control-freaks who
love not radio but just to shove others around.

You're the biggest control freak of all, Len. You want to control
regulations in something in which you play no part. Your rudeness under
a variety of posting names is archived.

As you have found, you reap what you sow.

The only thing I've sown is some grass seed.

It isn't true, but have it your way. You're grass seed.

The only "sow" encountered in the last decade have been
some transgendered porcine types who thought they were
gods of radio and attempted pushing many of us NCTA
around.

You've told us about the "sow" you've eaten in recent months. You've
thus eaten the gods of radio. How very, very peculiar.

That's the self-serving selfishness John
speaks of.
You aren't a licensed radio amateur.

Quite true. I am a LICENSED COMMERCIAL (professional)
radio operator. The FCC said I was.

So what?

Everyone who does not have an amateur radio license
is not licensed in the amateur radio service.

Exactly. How many of them haunt an amateur radio newsgroup for ten years?

Of
course. Obvious. You are being very redundant.
As well as rotund. Going in circles, nowhere.

You're still at the starting line, Len. I predict that is where you'll
stay.

Dave K8MN

[email protected] · February 6th 07, 11:55 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

From: Dave Heil on Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:38:16 GMT

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Tue, 06 Feb 2007 01:16:22 GMT
wrote:

My statement is correct. N2EY has never been other than civilized with
you.

Which "civilization" are you talking about? :-)

Some Amazon River backwoods tribe using curare darts?

His demeanor is in direct contrast with yours, especially when you
reply to him.

Cranky has a psychological problem involving pedantry
and religious transgendering. His problem, not mine.

Your problem is much deeper. However, it MIGHT be
alleviated by your taking some Anger Management
counseling.

My statement is correct. The overwhelming majority of posters to this
newsgroup are licensed radio amateurs.

Should I be "overwhelmed?" :-) I'm not.

In here I'm not in the presence of gods, only some
cranky "superior" wannabes trying to push others
around.

"Precious" can be applied to a pair of cute 4-year-olds
who each got an amateur radio license in 1998.

The word "precious" may be applied to numerous things.

So, you still believe that pre-kindergarten 4-year-olds
have sufficient English comprehension to take and pass
written test elements for an amateur radio license? :-)

Good luck on that one, now.

A newsgroup is NOT amateur radio.

That's correct. This particular newsgroup deals with amateur radio.

So do several other newsgroups. However, NONE of them
seem to be concerned with getting anyone licensed in the
amateur radio service of the United States. That was
the point of "John Smith I" first posting in this thread.

So far, all that seems to be "dealt" is a bunch of middle-
school-minded macho adolescents busy tossing filth and
sexual innuendo around...or some olde-tyme "superiority"
fossils busy berating others and/or trying to push others
around.

On the whole, this newsgroup doesn't seem to be dealing
at all well with amateur radio.

You have NO AUTHORITY to demand all in here be licensed
for anything.

I've never made a demand that you obtain an amateur radio license.

That's obviously INCORRECT. YOU have wasted much memory
space with constant sniping, back-biting, arrogant
posturing (mostly on your alleged "superiority"), and
constant fabrication of others' "faults" which were no
faults, only differences of opinion.

In fact, I much prefer that you didn't.

You seem to desire that in ALL your newsgroup opponents.

Is that the very model of modern morseman amateur? To
restrict the PUBLIC airways of anyone but your own cozy
little clique of hive-mind hammatures? Yes, it does
appear to be so! :-)

Precisely. You have yet to become a radio amateur. When and if you
ever obtain such a license, you'll be a new amateur radio op.

You are CONSTANTLY dwelling on "new ops" as if that were
some kind of pejorative. Why? Is it because the FCC
will no longer have morse code testing as a necessity to
become a licensed radio amateur? Or are those your own
personal issues which might be alleviated by Anger
Management counseling?

Maybe it is some kind of EGO thing, one of your imagining
you are always "superior" to those YOU consider "inferior?"
Oh, my, it seems like you have MANY personal issues!

I don't care about it, Len. It isn't an amateur radio license.
In amateur radio, it qualifies you for nothing.

INCORRECT. MISTAKE. FAULTY. A commercial radio operator
license enables any grantee to operate a transmitter on
MORE of the EM spectrum, using MORE modes than are allocated
to radio amateurs. That involves radio technologies which
have yet to be adapted by the "amateur community."

By human-made LAW at the federal level, licensed amateurs
are restricted to LAW-specified frequency bands and only
certain, specified modes of operation and modulation.
Radio amateurs cannot broadcast, cannot get monetary
compensation for their radio activies (some rare exceptions
such as in Part 97.113 (d)), cannot permit anyone but a
licensed control operator to operate their (or other
amateur) station transmitters. Note the use of "human-
made" as a descriptor. The LAW came into being as a
political thing, not some divine edict in which (licensed)
radio amateurs are somehow "superior" to all others. What
was made by humans can be deleted by humans. FCC 06-178
is as lawful as any other US amateur radio service
regulation and it has deleted your cherished code test.

I could go on and on about my technical-operational back-
ground but you would simply dismiss it in your usual
arrogant "superior" manner as if it were "nothing." You
just did that above. This only demonstrates your spiteful
selfish desire to be some kind of "superior" over others,
amply demonstrated in here for years.

Now how do you think that looks to those who are really
new to radio, any kind of radio? Do you think they will
worship you at your feet AS IF you were some god of radio?
Do you think it makes them proud just to be in the same
newsgroup with you? If you do, then you've got a really
bad case of Superiority Complex all mixed up with an even
larger Inferiority Complex. A complex confusion.

I predict that you will never obtain an amateur radio license during
your lifetime.

It's irrelevant as to whatever I do. If you keep on treating
me as something worse than dirt, then others will think that
you will treat them as dirt, or worse. They will get the
(demonstratably correct) idea that ALL olde-tyme morsemen
are elite snobs looking down on "lesser beings." NOT a
good attitude.

Your constant prodding, poking, sneering, and general un-
wholesome behavior about "newbies" and "neophytes" makes it
clear that YOUR motivation is merely to make fun of, to
ridicule and demean all your newsgroup opponents. You are
trying to "set up" some kind of future commentary. That's
so predictable that you might as well make graphics lighted
by neon. For example, in my case, three possible courses
of your future action:

1. I take no action towards getting an amateur radio license:
No change in your attitude, the same manufactured "faults"
you've been expressing all along, a constant barrage of snide
snarly remarks about "long interest" and "no action."

2. I try testing and fail any element: Accusations of
"stupdity," "inability to be as good as four-year-olds,"
and general cat-calling of a most uncivil nature. A general
set of uncomplimentary remarks including charges of an "age"
nature.

3. I try and succeed: Modified accusations, now along the
lines of snide, snarly, berating comments about "why didn't
I do that 'sooner?'" That would be followed by a "lecture"
of how I was "supposed to have gotten an amateur license
'first'!"

For any of the three possible scenarios I would proceed
on my own, for me, NOT on any remarks from a suspected
insane individual such as yourself.

You're the biggest control freak of all, Len. You want to control
regulations in something in which you play no part.

My advocacy of eliminating the code test was about GETTING
INTO amateur radio. The FCC did eliminate that code test
effect 23 Feb 07. Thousands commented to the FCC about
eliminating that code test, including myself. There is
NO LAW WHATSOEVER that restricted such commentary to ONLY
licensed persons in a particular civil radio service.

Do YOU spend all your time GETTING INTO amateur radio
through taking morse code tests? I don't think so.
YOU spend an inordinate amount of time trying to accuse
others of pushing YOU around! Oh, my, who could EVER
DARE push Heil around?!? Why you would just fabricate
some "faults" of theirs and try to get others to believe
that!

You've told us about the "sow" you've eaten in recent months.

INCORRECT. The FDA does not require labeling of ham
as to the gender of the animal butchered and packed.

A definition of ham: "The butchered meat of swine."

You're still at the starting line, Len.

IMPOSSIBLE. The only "starting line" in radio happened in
either Switzerland of 1895 or Italy of 1896, both done by
Guglielmo Marconi. That is historical fact. The only
dispute there is Marconi's experiments (few records were
kept) in Switzerland in 1895. Popov in Russia demonstrated
radio as a communications medium in 1896.

"Amateur radio" in the USA was legalized in 1912 with the
first US radio regulating agency. That defined "amateur"
as opposed to commercial or professional radio. The FCC
was created by an Act of Congress in 1934.

I was a radio-electronics hobbyist in 1947, became a
military-professional in HF radio in 1953, was granted
a commercial radio operator license in 1956, was
given first radio engineering design responsibility
in 1962. Is that your quaint "superior" arrogance in
saying I was NOT at ANY "starting line" in the past?

Is amateur radio some kind of unique physics phenomenon
that is totally unlike all other radio? It isn't. Why
do you persist in trying to say that? You must be
INSANE.

I am not licensed to counsel the INSANE. While I enjoy
fruitcake, you are not of good taste. Get your own
handlers. All the civil radio services will continue as
they have been doing regardless of what you spout in
here.

["signature" omitted due to upset of the great Heil in
others belonging to a professional association he cannot
be a part of]

Dave Heil · February 7th 07, 05:35 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

[email protected] · February 7th 07, 06:55 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

From: Dave Heil on Wed, 07 Feb 2007 05:35:35 GMT

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:38:16 GMT
wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Tue, 06 Feb 2007 01:16:22 GMT
wrote:

I didn't write "civilization", Leonard. I wrote "civilized."

You pedant in your pants again... :-)

No, Len, he doesn't. You've insulted him as if he does. That is one of
your several problems.

Who doesn't? Who was "insulted?" What problems?

You're being wishy-washy again.

I shower regularly. Isn't that the usual result? :-)

Are you getting nervous?

Do you want a Don Knotts impersonation? You will have to
pay a minimum of scale rate. Guild rules...

Nobody supports the Roger Wisemans of the world even if he somehow
obtained an amateur radio license. He's mentally ill.

Am I supposed to discuss this "Roger Wisemans?" How
did this person enter your Dali-esque fantasy world?

Please publish your Regulations on newsgroup behavior
so that Paul Schleck can take it up with the moderators.
That's a good little Kommandant. Seig Heil!

You're a big part of the sludge, Len.

What "sludge?" Your waste matter?!?

Don't lump yourself with ALL newsgroup opponents, Len. I wrote about
you and I meant you.

You seem confused. A few sentences ago you were talking
about some "Roger Wisemans." Try to stay focussed.

I wrote about you, Len, not anyone but my own cozy little clique.

Ah! So you ADMIT to being in a cozy little clique!

The fact is, I'd really prefer that you not be licensed--just you.

Tsk. You should write the FCC and inform them of your
ORDER, Herr Kommandant.

Someone beginning something is new at it.

You are still new at being a human being in groups outside
of your cozy little clique.

That has nothing to do with it. All Morse Code tested amateur radio
licensees were new when they first obtained a license. All non-Morse
Code tested ops will be new when they are first licensed.

You say "all morse code tested amateur radio licensees..."
then say "all non-morse code tested ops." Why do you say
that non-morse code tested licensees are NOT licensed?

I'm superior to some in certain areas.

That seems to be ALL areas. :-)

I'm inferior to others.

Impossible! The Grate Heil is great at ALL things amateur!

It really seems to bother you that you could be green at something.

Tsk, I'm not green at operating a radio. :-)

...and I'm being told so by a guy with an inferiority complex.

Who is that? Are you back to talking about this "Roger
Wisemans?" Most confusing you are said Yoda

Right. You aren't authorized to operate an amateur radio station in
those places.

Which "places?" I am forbidden to operate a radio on
a test bench with a dummy load? :-)

And for some dummy of an amateur extra who doesn't know
how to set up a bench test? :-)

Other than Todd O'What's-his-face and the former holder of the K1MAN
callsign, what radio amateur is spending his time thinking that he's a
broadcaster? What are you going on about?

Do about what? You keep reminding me I am "not licensed."
Do you expect ME to do your dirty work for you, Herr
Kommandant?

You're still on the outside, looking in.

Incorrect. I am inside and looking at a computer screen.

It isn't anything to the FCC. They still
expect you to pass all the exams required for a particular class of
license if you are to be issued one.

The FCC "expects me to pass some exams?" They haven't
informed me about that. Maybe you should remind Kevin
at your regular business lunch there in DC?

Like I said, Len, I don't care if you ever obtain an amateur ticket.

You "don't care?!?" After ALL those words berating
me? Tsk, tsk. You must CARE very deeply when you
go on and on and on and on and on about it...

Do it now. Take the test now.

All four elements that includes the code test? :-)

Hmmm...its about 10:45 PM local here...I don't know of any
24/7 VEC exam places that are open in southern California
now.

If you want to become a radio amateur,
don't wait, don't waste precious years waffling.

I wasn't really planning a third career as an IHOP cook...

You don't need to read this newsgroup.

You keep saying that... :-)

I don't spend my days wondering or worrying if some potential new ham is
going to be proud of me.

You expect all to immediately recognize you innate grandness,
a sort of "divine right of kings" or something. Yes, that
is perfectly clear.

It's relevant. You said that I couldn't foretell the future. We'll
wait for a bit and we'll find out. Maybe I'm a seer.

You have a sneer. Tsk, tsk.

They might get the idea that I don't care for you.

Yas, yas, you state the obvious. :-)

Besides, I've addressed them above.

"Addressed?" To whom? "Roger Wisemans?"

Tsk, make a clear point. You ramble so.

According to you, as soon as the Morse Test is gone, you're history.

I am "history?" In which book of history am I?

Am I on a film or TV documentary?

Tsk, you keep saying I "make mistakes." Now you want me
gone and say I speak the "truth" about "going?" Which
is it? You contradict yourself.

As I've said, Len, given the way you act, I prefer if you don't obtain
an amateur radio license.

Awwww...that wouldn't have anything to do with my not
heaping gratuitous praise on your mighty diplomatic
mission in Guinea-Bisseau, would it?

How about not appreciating your "synchonizing your tele-
printers using CW?" [teleprinters have always been
designed to self-synchronize]

How about my not praising you to the skies for "receiving
'combat pay'" in Vietnam when you've never been in
combat?

I'd probably think more of you if you took and
passed an exam for any class amateur radio exam. The "sooner" doesn't
matter.

Now, now, you contradict yourself again. You just said
your couldn't care less if I didn't become a licensed
radio amateur. Try to keep your sneering arrogant
commentary on-track, OK?

The time you wasted typing your fingers to the bone here in
r.r.a.p. is your time.

Tsk, I've never "typed fingers to the bone." Skin has
always been intact. 22 years and many millions of
characters later, my fingers are still intact.

You wasted it.

I eliminate waste regularly. Remember, move your vowels
every day or you will get consonated...

You've taken longer to get into amateur radio than any individual
I've heard of.

You, of course, have "heard of all." :-) [all gods of
radio are that way...]

My advocacy in here has always been to eliminate the code
test in any amateur radio license test. Yet, you are
still confused about that. Doesn't that give you some
inclination that something is wrong with YOU?

Don't you think I could pass, Len?

Not as a human being...

As an Otto Preminger impersonator, yes, if you lost some
weight. "Stalag 17" was a stage play before it was a
movie. Keep hoping for a production near you on that and
go to the audition. I'm sure you could impress the
producers into giving that part to you.

I've spent no time accusing others of pushing me around.

True. You simply push others around. QED.

Who is capable of pushing me around?

The FCC?

Am I going to be searching for my teeth?

I don't know. Did you lose them AGAIN?

No one needs fabricate faults of yours, Len.

San Andreas kept denying HIS fault and look what happened...

You're no closer to an amateur radio license than you were decades back.

Tsk, you keep saying I was after an amateur radio license.

I kept stating what my advocacy was. You keep on with
your fabrication of "my desires." :-)

You see nothing wrong with your actions? Oh, my, you ARE
confused on what is happening.

You're no closer than you were over ten years ago when you began posting
to r.r.a.p.

INCORRECT. FAULTY. MISTAKE.

Hello, didn't you read FCC 06-178? It will order the removal
of morse code testing from amateur radio license testing
effective 23 February 2007.

Sunnuvagun! SUCCESS!!! :-)

Poor baby. Don't cry...

[end-of-message identification removed because of some who
cannot belong to my professional association and get all
snippy and snotty about it...]

Dave Heil · February 7th 07, 10:18 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Wed, 07 Feb 2007 05:35:35 GMT

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:38:16 GMT
wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Tue, 06 Feb 2007 01:16:22 GMT
wrote:

I didn't write "civilization", Leonard. I wrote "civilized."

You pedant in your pants again... :-)

Really, Len. I wrote "civilized". I see your new game. You'd like to
snip most of my words and those things to which I responded. I'll play
along.

Who doesn't?

Who doesn't what?

Who was "insulted?"

On which occasion?

What problems?

How can you formulate a solution if you don't recognize the problems?

You're being wishy-washy again.

Isn't that the usual result? :-)

Precisely.

Do you want a Don Knotts impersonation?

What's with your Don Knotts fetish?

You will have to
pay a minimum of scale rate. Guild rules...

It's all about money with you.

That's a good little Kommandant. Seig Heil!

Just how did you get that AFTRA card, Len?

Your waste matter?!?

It matters to me, Len.

I wrote about you, Len, not anyone but my own cozy little clique.

Ah!

I knew you'd understand.

That has nothing to do with it. All Morse Code tested amateur radio
licensees were new when they first obtained a license. All non-Morse
Code tested ops will be new when they are first licensed.

You say "all morse code tested amateur radio licensees..."
then say "all non-morse code tested ops." Why do you say
that non-morse code tested licensees are NOT licensed?

I said nothing of the kind. You are trying to make it appear that I did.

I'm superior to some in certain areas.

That seems to be ALL areas. :-)

Thanks for the compliment, but I didn't say it.

I'm inferior to others.

Impossible! The Grate Heil is great at ALL things amateur!

Again, thanks for the compliment.

Tsk, I'm not green at operating a radio. :-)

Tsk, tsk. You need to be more sensitive to the environment. :-)

Who is that?

It might have been Sean Penn. Maybe you can get his autograph.

I am forbidden to operate a radio on
a test bench with a dummy load? :-)

Do what you think will work for you, Len. :-)

I am inside and looking at a computer screen.

Can you see the fellow doing the typing on the outside of the screen?

The FCC "expects me to pass some exams?"

I don't think anyone at the Commission is making book on whether you'll
succeed. :-)

You "don't care?!?" After ALL those words berating
me? Tsk, tsk. You must CARE very deeply when you
go on and on and on and on and on about it...

You write like a fellow lobbying for a valentine. :-)

Hmmm...its about 10:45 PM local here...I don't know of any
24/7 VEC exam places that are open in southern California
now.

Rest easy. You've already put it off for seven years.

I wasn't really planning a third career as an IHOP cook...

If you need the money, you need the money... :-)

You keep saying that... :-)

Really, Len. Quit thinking about my pants. :-)

Yes, that is perfectly clear.

Are you back on the inside of the computer screen? :-)

You have a sneer. Tsk, tsk.

I have an Orion. Poor baby.

Yas, yas, you state the obvious. :-)

....and you still don't get it. :-)

"Addressed?" To whom?

The folks at Gettysburg! :-)

I am "history?" In which book of history am I?

"Famous Horse's Patoot's I Have Known". There's a whole chapter devoted
to you.

Am I on a film or TV documentary?

Apparently you're on the inside of a computer monitor.

Tsk, you keep saying I "make mistakes." Now you want me
gone and say I speak the "truth" about "going?" Which
is it? You contradict yourself.

You said you'd be gone, Len. It might be one of those things like your
"Extra right out of the box" though.

Awwww...that wouldn't have anything to do with my not
heaping gratuitous praise on your mighty diplomatic
mission in Guinea-Bisseau, would it?

You received the crate of cashews?

I'd probably think more of you if you took and
passed an exam for any class amateur radio exam. The "sooner" doesn't
matter.

Now, now, you contradict yourself again. You just said
your couldn't care less if I didn't become a licensed
radio amateur.

I don't believe that I said "couldn't care less", Len. I could care
less. I'd probably think a little better of you if you actually took
and passed a license exam. Don't get all choked up though. I said "a
little more".

Try to keep your sneering arrogant
commentary on-track, OK?

It wasn't sneering, Len. It was offered as my heart-felt thoughts on
the three scenarios you presented--the ones you snipped.

The time you wasted typing your fingers to the bone here in
r.r.a.p. is your time.

Tsk, I've never "typed fingers to the bone." Skin has
always been intact. 22 years and many millions of
characters later, my fingers are still intact.

Pedant? Pants?

I eliminate waste regularly.

Your own?

You've taken longer to get into amateur radio than any individual
I've heard of.

You, of course, have "heard of all." :-)

Over the past 43 years, I *have* heard it all. You take the cake.

[all gods of radio are that way...]

Who are the gods of radio, Len?

My advocacy in here has always been to eliminate the code
test in any amateur radio license test.

Yet, for the past decade your unpleasant and pontificating style has
gotten in the way of that self-appointed advocacy.

Yet, you are
still confused about that.

No, Len, I'm not confuse about what you say are your reasons. You've
told us oodles of times. Based upon your posts to this newsgroup, I
simply don't believe you.

Doesn't that give you some
inclination that something is wrong with YOU?

On the contrary, it gives me confidence that you are unable to realize
just how you have behaved here.

True.

Don't tense up, Len. The question was multiple choice.

Who is capable of pushing me around?

The FCC?

Nope, I'd have to violate one of the regs of my licensing. I don't do
that. Any other guesses?

Am I going to be searching for my teeth?

I don't know. Did you lose them AGAIN?

If you don't know, who would? You issued a threat and then included a
little smiley.

No one needs fabricate faults of yours, Len.

San Andreas kept denying HIS fault and look what happened...

Take heed!

You're no closer to an amateur radio license than you were decades back.

Tsk, you keep saying I was after an amateur radio license.

Naw, Len, you're waaaayyyyy before an amateur radio license.

I kept stating what my advocacy was.

....and we all know that your "advocacy" was much, much more.

You keep on with
your fabrication of "my desires." :-)

You've stated interest. You've stated desire. You've stated, "Extra
right out of the box". Then you've vacillated.

INCORRECT. FAULTY. MISTAKE.

Yes, you've been guilty of numerous factual errors. Don't be too hard
on yourself.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil · February 6th 07, 09:16 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Tue, 06 Feb 2007 01:16:22 GMT

wrote:

Your posts are certainly self-serving.

No. My computer(s) have no AI capability. They won't
serve me anything. All they do is act like computers.

Then you must have been addressing AI when you made your ludicrous comment.

I've never heard of self-serving selfishness.

That was a FIGURE OF SPEECH, Herr Pedant.

It was a poorly constructed one, Foghorn.

Everytime I
use a figure of speech, you pedant in your pants.

"Every time", PROFESSIONAL writer. Perhaps you'll learn to construct
better figures of speech. Try to quit thinking about my pants.

The best they can do is mouth old, trite phrases used in the 1930s.
...while you use the same, tired Stephen Wright jokes over and over.

I do not know of this "Stephen Wright." For what it is
worth, I am also a paid joke writer selling only ORIGINAL
material.

From what I've seen of your attempts as humor, I don't imagine you sell
much. It has been demonstrated that what you *use* isn't necessarily
original.

Would you like to see my AFTRA card?

I have as much interest in seeing your AFTRA card as I have in seeing
your DD-214.

Your boast of getting that "Extra right out of the box" is itself seven
years old. Your first post to this newsgroup took place over ten years
ago.

Irrelevant.

It is completely relevant, Len. You posted it right here.

I did not "boast" anything.

You must have some sort of Gary Hart complex. You know your wrote it.
You know it is archived and still you deny it.

That is your
FABRICATION.

You can type all of the capital letters you like. You boasted. Now you
may eat your own words.

In the period of 7 years, one can conceive a child, teach
it all about morse code and English language comprehension
sufficient to score correct written answers on an amateur
radio test, get their picture published by the ARRL, then
enter kindergarten. Have you done this?

Why no, Leonard. Then again, I made no boast about doing so.

Has Miccolis
done this?

Why are you asking me?

Why all of the misdirection, the tap dancing, the smoke and mirrors?
None of that has anything to do with your boast of getting the "Extra
right out of the box" seven years ago.

Have you EVER treated a human being in a friendly manner
without ordering them around?

Quite often, Len, but I've never ordered you around.

There is "precious" little
evidence of that in here...other than with a few like-
minded morse-inflated ego types.

You've set up some exceptions and made certain that you insulted the
exceptions.

You failed to mention your behavior here--the behavior which allows you
to heap abuse on others without expecting it in return.

Incorrect, Mistaken, False.

Hang on, Len....I'm looking around in your initial post. Nope, I've
looked high and low for it. You failed to mention your behavior.

You do not understand true
debate and the exchange of opinions.

I think you're the individual who doesn't understand it. True debate
does not involve names like "Sister Nun of the Above", "you little USMC
Feldwebel", "little man", "Herr Oberst" and the the like.

You don't because
you've never attempted to do that.

You've never attempted that, Len. You've been an overbearing and
insulting churl.

What you EXPECT is
gratuitous "congratulations"...

I don't expect any contratulations, Len. I expect civilized behavior
from an elderly gentleman. I've thusfar been disappointed in your behavior.

...and the mistaken notion of
innate "respect" you think is owed you...

I expect civilized behavior from an elderly gentleman, not insults being
hurled as he swings from a chandelier. You may need a time out.

...just because you
once passed the highest-rate morse code exam and some
extra questions.

I feel entitled to civilized behavior from you. You're a big let down, Len.

I am quite used to your type of personality, one of the
self-inflated ego-driven variety.

You discount your own self-importance and attempt to tranfer that
behavior to those who know more about something than you. In this case,
that something is amateur radio. You're a Leonard-come-lately.

I've been immersed
in social interaction with your kind all of my adult life.

I'll bet you sincerely believe that statement. Your inferiority complex
drives it.

I've survived none the worse for wear...

There are folks who might be inclined to disagree with you.

...yet you are the
bitter fabricator, the sore loser personified over a
very recent federal agency decision and ruling.

I'm confused by your writing, Len. Am I the sore loser personified or
am I personified over a very recent decision? I'm not a fabricator.
Maybe you could issue a correct version with the sentence structure
cleaned up a bit.

In regard to your failure to achieve an amateur radio license, you
declared an interest in amateur radio spanning decades.

Incorrect, Mistaken, Faulty. YOU fabricated some specialized
"interest" out of my (several) statements expressing an
interest in radio-electronics.

No, Len. No fabrication was done. You've made statements that your
interest in *amateur radio* spans several decades. Your statements were
not about an interest in radio-electronics.

I've explained of how my interest in radio came about
as an adult: A fortuitous assignment to a large HF
communications station while in the US Army. None of
that involved "amateur radio."

Your life still doesn't involve amateur radio.

You've posted
to an amateur radio interest newsgroup for better than a decade.

I've written and edited in an amateur radio magazine
over a decade before that.

You wrote an amateur radio magazine? That's news to me. Did the folks
at "Ham Radio" know about that?

I've written letters on
the advocacy of eliminating the morse code test.

Letters on the advocacy, huh?

My
advocacy in this newsgroup has been to eliminate the
code test for an amateur radio license. That was
stated out in the open in here during that whole
decade.

Yes, it was. Then you went on to demonstrate through your behavior,
that your self-appointed advocacy was about much, much more. It was
about minimum age requirements for an amateur radio license and it was
about insulting the ARRL and insulting radio amateurs who have never
posted to this newsgroup as well as those posters who disagreed with
your stance on a number of issues.

I have several friends who have been licensed
radio amateurs for much longer than a decade, much
longer than several decades.

Does that qualify you for something?

You've
boasted that you would obtain the highest class U.S. amateur radio
license "right out of the box" in a statement made seven years ago.

I have not "BOASTED."

You most certainly have boasted (or BOASTED).

That is your fabrication.

It is not a fabrication at all. You've recently seen the entire message
re-posted here. Want to see it again?

I
made a statement that I "could" based on the amateur
radio written tests of that time.

No, Leonard, that is a fabrication. Want to see your exact words again?

If all you have to attempt discrediting me is some
FABRICATIONS, then

Then what?

Have you acted on obtaining that or any amateur radio license?

I am not an actor and don't play one on TV. I've
only done voice-overs.

I can only imagine.

Would you like to see my
AFTRA card? :-)

No, thanks. I'm not interested in seeing your DD-214 or your pdf file
of your military experiences.

[my Commercial First 'Phone granted in 1956 is somehow
cast aside in their personal vendettas and vitriol]
Hey, no sweat, I've heard all of that acidity long
before. Doesn't faze me.

Your commercial First Phone ticket is not an amateur radio license.

I've never said it was anything but a "First Class
Radiotelephone (Commercial) Radio Operator License"
to quote the FCC on my first certificate of that, or
the colloquial "First 'Phone."

Then why, pray tell, do you keep bringing it up in an amateur radio
newsgroup? What has it to do with amateur radio?

This is not a commercial radio newsgroup.

Yet all can see the usual subliminal ads for the ARRL in
the Believers' evangelical parroting of their words and
phrases. [St. Hiram be praised]

Thanks ever so much for including the type material which reinforces
what I've written about you.

A commercial license is "cast
aside" by the FCC with regard to the obtaining of an amateur radio
license.

The FCC has NEVER "cast aside" my First 'Phone nor
subsequent GROL. It is still in the FCC URL records
and still current.

The Commission won't want to see it, your AFTRA card or your laminated
tiny copy of your DD-214 if you take an amateur radio license exam.
None of 'em count for squat.

The requirements for an amateur radio license are all
explained in Title 47 C.F.R. Part 97.501 and following.
The requirements for commercial radio operator
licenses are given in regulations of Title 47 C.F.R.
Part 13.

I'm not the individual who has problems telling the difference between
an amateur radio license and a commercial radio license. You continue
to bring up your First Phone as if it had some bearing on obtaining an
amateur radio license. It doesn't.

Do you understand these instructions as they
have been explained to you? If not, the court will
appoint an attorney to assist you.

You haven't given any instructions.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil · February 6th 07, 10:03 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Tue, 06 Feb 2007 01:16:22 GMT

wrote:

You would have to meet the same amateur radio licensing
requirements as anyone else before you'd be issued an amateur license.

I've not said anything to the contrary.

Then why do you continue to trot out gibberish about your commercial
license? Of what relevance is it?

The LAW is
quite clear enough on the issue of civil US radio.
You seem confused as to the differences of LAW and
your imaginings.

On the contrary, I'm not the individual who continues to mention his
commercial radio license. You are that guy.

YOU are NOT any law official. You are merely officious.

Did you order your amateur radio operator badge yet?

[The comment below was my response to Len's asking why he needs an
amateur radio license]

I'll try to make this as uncomplicated as I can, Len:
You would be able to operate an amateur radio station in the amateur bands.

I am quite able to "operate an amateur radio station."
With or without a license. You failed (once more) to
make your point that it would be ILLEGAL to operate
AS IF one were a licensed radio amateur if no US amateur
radio license had been granted to that operator.

You might have been the only person who didn't understand what I wrote,
Len. Good luck in finding a control op who'll allow you to play radio
amateur.

Any radio operator license does NOT automatically
ENABLE anyone to "operate an amateur radio station."
ABILITY of anyone to "operate an amateur radio station"
has nothing at all to do with licensing. The license
is merely an AUTHORIZATION by the US federal government
to operate.

Fine, Leonard. You aren't authorized. Happy?

Do you understand the definition as it has
been explained to you? If not, the court will appoint
a dictionary to assist you.

Are you a court, Len? A librarian?

As interesting as I find your statement, one who expresses interest in
amateur radio, haunts an amateur radio newsgroup and boast that he is
going to get the top license immediately must have found a reason to
obtain an amateur radio license.

No "BOAST" was ever made.

Sure it was, Len--by you. Want to see it again? I'll be happy to post
the entire message so you won't be able to claim that it was taken out
of context or that it was simply a comment or that it was a throwaway line.

I do not "HAUNT."

You might want to check things out then. There's been some guy
impersonating you here on r.r.a.p.

I may
PLAY at being a ghost on Halloween...and have. Boooo!

You like to play at being one of the gang here. See-kyoooooo.

I "express an interest" in ALL radio.

Great. This isn't an all radio newsgroup.

So much so
that I made electronics and radio a life career early-
on, despite having an aptitude for (called "talent")
and experience IN commercial illustration ("art" where
the artist draws/paints/inks things as they really are).

This isn't a commercial how-much-do-I-get-paid radio newsgroup nor is it
a commercial art newsgroup. Why the misdirection, tap dancing and smoke
and mirrors?

Why do YOU attempt constant "haunting" of anyone who
does not agree with your mighty claims and boasts of
"radio operation" to/from faraway lands?

If I've boasted of anything, Len, I've done it.

Why not tell us what you perceived your need to be?

Why indeed?

If you've not identified a need, you'll likely never obtain an amateur
radio license. You've wasted ten years here and I'm getting closer to
being prescient.

Have you understood my previous explanations
as I've explained them to you? If not, the court will
appoint a psychiatrist to assist you.

Are you a court, Len?

Belonging to
an "exclusive community?" Dozens of ways to do
that anywhere in this country.

You could live in a gated community with country club privileges.

I live (in the southern house) back-yard to back-yard
with a gated community called "Montelena." 44 homes
built on 15 acres of what was undeveloped wilderness.
That community has NO "country club" there.

It doesn't matter. You aren't "in" there and you aren't "in" amateur
radio. Living next to a gated community doesn't meet your dozens of
ways to belong to an exclusive community.

You
could wear Gucci loafers and sip Campari in an ultra-expensive night
spot.

? Is that one of your "requirements" for amateur radio?

Is that what you meant when your wrote of the dozens of ways to belong
to an exclusive community?

Strange. Strange.

You most certainly are.

You cold live in an area which fights tooth and nail to prevent
zoning changes which would change the neighborhood or you could belong
to that very exclusive group of newsgroup crackpots which plagues groups
in which it does not participate.

Are you suffering from a plague? See medical assistance as
soon as possible!

You aren't funny, Len.

Are you suffering from plaque? Seek dental assistance as
soon as possible.

You aren't funny, Len.

"Fighting tooth and nail?" No nails were used in the attempt
to change a local zoning board ruling, just the democratic
processes of the neighborhood getting together (also meeting
at the local church), petitioning, then speaking before the
zoning commission in public. Neither were "teeth" involved.
See your dentist regularly for better oral hygience. That
will help keep your dentures in place when you snarl and
grimace so much. Especially when you boil over and shout.

Sure, the democratic process of making sure that your exclusive little
community remained exclusive.

That SINGLE LOCAL zoning incident resulted in a change from
residential single-family homes to residential multiple
family (apartments, condos, etc) homes. The gated community
you and Miccolis refer to is the "Montelena" I mentioned
above...which has only single-family homes now. Nothing
whatsoever in that alleged "tooth and nail" debate involved
any "radio" subjects, not even TV cable or satellite down-
link, certainly not amateur radio antenna installations.

Your dozens of ways to belong to an exclusive community didn't mention
radio or amateur radio. You simply snipped your own comment and began
drifting. I put your statement back so others could note your attempt.

Now, if your parroting Miccolis MANUFACTURED moral-ethical
"fault" would stop we might all learn to get along.

Jim provided a perfectly valid analogy. You didn't like it a single
bit. You'd have betters odds of getting along if you changed your
behavior and acted like an adult.

That was
NOT a "radio" issue of any kind. It had absolutely NOTHING
to do with "radio," either amateur or commercial.

No, it didn't. It didn't have to have anything to do with radio to be a
valid analogy. Did I mention that you didn't like it one little bit?

Do you
understand those explanations as they have been given you?
If not the court will appoint a two-by-four to lay across
your head at no cost to you.

Are you a court, Len? Are you going to try to lay a 2 x 4 across my head?

Then you might have misdirected your haunting of newsgroups.

Tsk. You don't have a ghost of a chance of understanding
anything but "professional amateurism," do you? :-)

There isn't any "professional amateurism", Len. :-) :-)

Perhaps
to be able to "sign" an amateur station call sign
behind their name? That's a misuse of honors, a
copy-catting of pretend significance, of puffing
out enlarged egos. Passing any amateur radio
test is NOT any sort of academic achievement.

It isn't up to you to worry over someone who uses his amateur radio
callsign, Len.

NO "worrying" was done. :-) A high degree of persistence
in advocacy of eliminating the morse code test from
license testing done over a period greater than two
decades was done.

You're drifting again, Leonard. What has that to do with your comments
about how radio amateurs use their callsigns?

That was just a POLITICAL matter that
was finally settled by FCC 06-178 released on 15 Dec 06.

What has that to do with how radio amateurs choose to use their
callsigns, Len?

Do you understand those explanations as they've been
explained to you?

I'm still trying to figure out how they relate to amateur radio ops
using their callsigns.

If not the court will appoint someone
of sound mind to attempt making you understand.

Are you a court, Len? Are you of sound mind?

You aren't involved.

Yes, I was quite involved. FCC 06-178 resulted on the
part of thousands who "involved" themselves in making
their lawful comments to the US federal government.
The code test for any class amateur radio license in the
USA will be GONE very soon. Do you understand FCC
Reports and Orders as they've been explained to you?
If not, the court will appoint a federal attorney to
explain the Consitution of the US and basic civics to
you.

What has that to do with how radio amateurs use their callsigns. How
are you involved in that?

Your plaintive cries over pretend
significance and enlarged egos are those of an outsider shouting, "but
look at what I've done!"

I've never worked Frenchmen out of band.

You've never been a radio amateur. It isn't unusual to someone to run
into a foreign or domestic scofflaw.

I've never had
to "synchronize teleprinters" by means of on-off keying
morse code in the 1980s.

You still don't have it right, Leonard. Maybe Google can help.

I've never served in the State
Department...

Precisely. That never stopped you from telling me what my job was or
how I should have done it.

...and bragged about BEING "DX."

I never bragged about being DX either, Len. I was DX during six
different foreign postings. I didn't boast that I was going to be DX
and then not follow through. See the difference?

Your continuing PRETENSE at being a near-equivalent god of
radio through amateurism has been duly noted. By all
readers of this newsgroup.

You don't speak for all readers of this newsgroup. I've never pretended
to be a god of radio or even a near-equivalent of a god of radio.
In fact, I've corrected you a number of times. You've been confused a
number of times, first saying that I was a god of radio then stating
that I'm not a god of radio. Now we have you issuing a statement that I
have a pretense of being a near-equivalent through amateurism.

You've never been able to make up your mind.

You are able to have all of the fun you are capable of having by
tinkering with electronics.

"Tinkering?" :-)

Sure, Len. You're a radio hobbyist. You said so.

A working career that included duties
of responsible project engineer is just "tinkering?!?" :-)

You told us that you're a radio hobbyist. That doesn't involve a
working career.

That isn't amateur radio, but why let that
bother you?

"Amateur" is a regulatory definition of one who engages
in an activity WITHOUT monetary compensation.

If the word "radio" doesn't appear, how is it a regulatory definition?

That is
ALSO the definition of a HOBBY. HOBBY.

What does the FCC say amateur radio is, Len? I've asked you three
times, but you don't seem to know how to respond.

LICENSED amateur radio is what you should have written.

Amateur radio is amateur radio, Len. There is no need to add the word
"licensed". There is no other kind of amateur radio.

LICENSED, AUTHORIZED by the only civil radio regulatory
agency of the United States government.

I understand what an amateur radio license is, Len. You don't have one.

Have you under-
stood the definitions as they were explained to you?
If not, the court may appoint a bailiff to place you
under arrest until medical science has come up with an
explanation for your serious mental confusion.

Are you a court, Len? Are you going to arrest me?

Lots of folks who aren't radio amateurs enjoy electronics.

...and you think ALL of them are monetarily compensated if
they do not have federal authorization to transmit RF on
certain bands with certain modulation modes according to
federal regulations? Not so.

Why no, Len, I don't think that. They aren't called radio amateurs.
An interest in electronics doesn't make one an amateur radio op.

See? That is your extreme CONFUSION. You mistakenly
label "radio amateurs" as ONLY the "licensed."

No, Len, I didn't write that. The confusion seems to be in the Anderson
home comm center--where the same message was transmitted twice.

Your EGO
has given way to logic and reason...but, then, everyone
has already seen that...

You aren't wrapped too tightly, Len.

Is that sig of yours a misuse of honors or a copycatting of pretend
significance?

My end-of-message IDENTIFICATION is merely an E-MAIL
FORWARDING ALIAS. See the header "From" line. My
professional association (IEEE, 34 years) provides
that forwarding alias free of charge to all IEEE
Members. That one-way forwarding alias includes some
"spam" filtering as an extra "filter" to remove
unwanted advertising e-mail. Such a forwarding
alias in little different than that used by the ARRL
for amateur radio members, conveying no more
significance than any other forwarding alias.

But, according to your logic, the use of such a callsign by a radio
amateur for purposes other than to identify an amateur radio station
would be "a misuse of honors or a copycatting of pretend significance."

Do you understand this e-mail forwarding definition as
it has been explained to you?

No, I don't, Leonard.

If not, the court will
appoint yet another dead horse for you to beat upon.

Don't trouble yourself, Judge Anderson, you'll do just fine.

Dave K8MN

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