On Jan 28, 4:09 pm, wrote:
...Many Extras consider themselves Einsteins...

They are not.

Yea, I would agree.. We are not above average as a group....

Personally, I took the test expecting to fail, having just taken the
General to upgrade my Tech Plus. I figured, what the heck? It didn't
cost anymore to try and I had studied some. I didn't think I was
ready, but I passed so here I am, lucky to be an Extra in my
estimation.

So, do I consider myself an expert in all things Ham Radio by virtue
of my license class? Nope, I got a lot to learn and I'm sure there
are some folks out there who have a boat load more practical
experience than I, but have less privileges. The two Elmers who are
largely responsible for me getting my original license among them.
Thanks guys! (WB0WMP, K4GRW )

-= Bob =-

"KC4UAI" wrote:

So, do I consider myself an expert in all things Ham Radio by
virtue of my license class? Nope

Oddly enough, virtually all the "extras" I met during my tenure as a
"non-extra" didn't consider themselves Einsteins either. Now that I'm an
Extra, I do not consider myself an Einstein either.

It seems that only a small subset of hams (and non-hams) who post to this
forum seem to run into these self-proclaimed Einstein Extras.

But then, if you read their postings long enough, you'll begin to understand
that this bias towards Extras really isn't due to the fact these extras are
self-proclaimed Einsteins, but rather the fact that these Extras passed a
20wpm code test at one point or another.

73
kh6hz

On Jan 29, 4:33 pm, "KH6HZ" wrote:
"KC4UAI" wrote:
So, do I consider myself an expert in all things Ham Radio by
virtue of my license class? Nope

Oddly enough, virtually all the "extras" I met during my tenure as a
"non-extra" didn't consider themselves Einsteins either. Now that I'm an
Extra, I do not consider myself an Einstein either.

It seems that only a small subset of hams (and non-hams) who post to this
forum seem to run into these self-proclaimed Einstein Extras.

But then, if you read their postings long enough, you'll begin to understand
that this bias towards Extras really isn't due to the fact these extras are
self-proclaimed Einsteins, but rather the fact that these Extras passed a
20wpm code test at one point or another.

73
kh6hz

Not at all. Your 20WPM code tape Extra License is irrelevant.

When certain Extras tell me how to conduct my amateur life all the
while scarfing up a bunch of "club" calls, DX calls, and vanity calls,
then I see them as thinking they are somehow much more priveleged than
the next guy, AKA they're smarter than everyone else because they "Got
Over on The Man!"

When a Coast Guard Extra Lecturer aids and abets the scarfing up and
grabs one for himself, I have a problem with that, too.

It's just a case of people telling others what to do while being
inconsistent in their own lives... So get over yourselves.

wrote:

When certain Extras tell me how to conduct my amateur life all the
while scarfing up a bunch of "club" calls, DX calls, and vanity calls,
then I see them as thinking they are somehow much more priveleged than
the next guy...

If you're the next guy, I'm much more privileged than you. Pass the
exams, Mr. Cheese. You too can be more privileged.

By the way, I scarfed up a number of DX calls. I hope you don't mind.

Dave K8MN

On Jan 30, 12:28 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
When certain Extras tell me how to conduct my amateur life all the
while scarfing up a bunch of "club" calls, DX calls, and vanity calls,
then I see them as thinking they are somehow much more priveleged than
the next guy...

If you're the next guy, I'm much more privileged than you. Pass the
exams, Mr. Cheese. You too can be more privileged.

Mr Deignan's priveleges went beyond those authorized. Riley had to
reel him back in. Put him on the straight and narrow...

but he's still got a big mouth and a Hawaiin callsign.

By the way, I scarfed up a number of DX calls. I hope you don't mind.

Not at all. You were there, Mr DX. I approve.

Mr Deignan was there in PO Box only.

Did you loan out your PO Box to folks who wanted a cool Tanzanian call
sign? Did you get a cool Guam call sign having never been to Guam,
then pretend to Lecture people on how to run their amateur lives?

From: on Tues, Jan 30 2007 3:40 am

On Jan 30, 12:28 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
When certain Extras tell me how to conduct my amateur life all the
while scarfing up a bunch of "club" calls, DX calls, and vanity calls,
then I see them as thinking they are somehow much more priveleged than
the next guy...

If you're the next guy, I'm much more privileged than you. Pass the
exams, Mr. Cheese. You too can be more privileged.

Mr Deignan's priveleges went beyond those authorized. Riley had to
reel him back in. Put him on the straight and narrow...

but he's still got a big mouth and a Hawaiin callsign.

By the way, I scarfed up a number of DX calls. I hope you don't mind.

Not at all. You were there, Mr DX. I approve.

Mr Deignan was there in PO Box only.

Did you loan out your PO Box to folks who wanted a cool Tanzanian call
sign? Did you get a cool Guam call sign having never been to Guam,
then pretend to Lecture people on how to run their amateur lives?

Mr. DX was able to "scarf up DX calls" courtesy of WORKING
IN THE STATE DEPARTMENT and getting DIPLOMATIC COURTESY from
foreign nations. Any way one slices it, Herr Oberst was
able to do that while being EMPLOYED at work that was NOT
devoted to amateur radio. DIPLOMATIC COURTESY.

Did der Robust Oberst ACTUALLY TAKE THOSE FOREIGN AMATEUR
RADIO TESTS...IN THEIR NATIVE LANGUAGES? Hard to say
but it is likely he will not, nor ever, admit that
DIPLOMATIC COURTESY was the major via for that "scarfing."

It went well beyond the "three hots and a cot" enjoyed by
long-ago military radio operators who've been in here and
bailed...the military that taught them morsemanship.

The State Department EMPLOYMENT served the government, but
using that as a cover for "scarfing up" foreign callsigns
is not an "achievement" of himself. I agree that it is
less reprehensible than going into collusion with another
amateur extra to falsify the intent, spirit of law to gain
personal emotional advantage of having non-existant club
trusteeships.

But, Heil was with the government and thinks he's here to
"help." Ptui.

LA

On Jan 30, 7:59 pm, "
wrote:
From: on Tues, Jan 30 2007 3:40 am

On Jan 30, 12:28 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
When certain Extras tell me how to conduct my amateur life all the
while scarfing up a bunch of "club" calls, DX calls, and vanity calls,
then I see them as thinking they are somehow much more priveleged than
the next guy...

If you're the next guy, I'm much more privileged than you. Pass the
exams, Mr. Cheese. You too can be more privileged.

Mr Deignan's priveleges went beyond those authorized. Riley had to
reel him back in. Put him on the straight and narrow...

but he's still got a big mouth and a Hawaiin callsign.

By the way, I scarfed up a number of DX calls. I hope you don't mind.

Not at all. You were there, Mr DX. I approve.

Mr Deignan was there in PO Box only.

Did you loan out your PO Box to folks who wanted a cool Tanzanian call
sign? Did you get a cool Guam call sign having never been to Guam,
then pretend to Lecture people on how to run their amateur lives?

Mr. DX was able to "scarf up DX calls" courtesy of WORKING
IN THE STATE DEPARTMENT and getting DIPLOMATIC COURTESY from
foreign nations. Any way one slices it, Herr Oberst was
able to do that while being EMPLOYED at work that was NOT
devoted to amateur radio. DIPLOMATIC COURTESY.

Did der Robust Oberst ACTUALLY TAKE THOSE FOREIGN AMATEUR
RADIO TESTS...IN THEIR NATIVE LANGUAGES? Hard to say
but it is likely he will not, nor ever, admit that
DIPLOMATIC COURTESY was the major via for that "scarfing."

That's hard for me to say, and I'm sure Dave won't say.

But if you check out the ARRL web site under operating from foreign
countries, something which all the smartie Extras should do before
they accuse people of being bootleggers, you'll find that a USA
license and a fee is usually enough to obtain a call in many
countries.

It went well beyond the "three hots and a cot" enjoyed by
long-ago military radio operators who've been in here and
bailed...the military that taught them morsemanship.

A skill greater in value than all the rest of amateur radio combined.

The State Department EMPLOYMENT served the government, but
using that as a cover for "scarfing up" foreign callsigns
is not an "achievement" of himself.

C'mon Len. I'm sure Dave did his job to the best of his ability.
Didit?

I agree that it is
less reprehensible than going into collusion with another
amateur extra to falsify the intent, spirit of law to gain
personal emotional advantage of having non-existant club
trusteeships.

Riley has no dominion over Dave when he's operating out of the
country. On the other hand, Riley had his boot on the neck of one RF
Commando! Hi!

But, Heil was with the government and thinks he's here to
"help." Ptui.

LA

He's here when the bands are closed. That's all.

"KH6HZ" wrote in message
...
"KC4UAI" wrote:

So, do I consider myself an expert in all things Ham Radio by
virtue of my license class? Nope

Oddly enough, virtually all the "extras" I met during my tenure as a
"non-extra" didn't consider themselves Einsteins either. Now that I'm an
Extra, I do not consider myself an Einstein either.

It seems that only a small subset of hams (and non-hams) who post to this
forum seem to run into these self-proclaimed Einstein Extras.

But then, if you read their postings long enough, you'll begin to
understand that this bias towards Extras really isn't due to the fact
these extras are self-proclaimed Einsteins, but rather the fact that these
Extras passed a 20wpm code test at one point or another.

73
kh6hz



I believe the bias goes even deeper. Even if code were not an issue, that
bias would still exist simply because the Extra has met a higher written
requirement too. In today's society, it seems to be politically incorrect
to have acquired more knowledge than someone else.

Dee, N8UZE

On Jan 29, 10:40 pm, "Dee Flint" wrote:
"KH6HZ" wrote in message

...

"KC4UAI" wrote:

So, do I consider myself an expert in all things Ham Radio by
virtue of my license class? Nope

Oddly enough, virtually all the "extras" I met during my tenure as a
"non-extra" didn't consider themselves Einsteins either. Now that I'm an
Extra, I do not consider myself an Einstein either.

It seems that only a small subset of hams (and non-hams) who post to this
forum seem to run into these self-proclaimed Einstein Extras.

But then, if you read their postings long enough, you'll begin to
understand that this bias towards Extras really isn't due to the fact
these extras are self-proclaimed Einsteins, but rather the fact that these
Extras passed a 20wpm code test at one point or another.

73
kh6hz

I believe the bias goes even deeper. Even if code were not an issue, that
bias would still exist simply because the Extra has met a higher written
requirement too.

Dee, I believe you are the first Extra to recognize that not all
writtens are the same. Since the beginning of the code debate, and
now with the passing of the code exam, we are made to believe that the
writtens are a mere insignificant formality and all the real content
was in the code exam.

Of course that's not true. Thank you for being and Extra and pointing
that out. You are a No Code Technician in spirit!

In today's society, it seems to be politically incorrect
to have acquired more knowledge than someone else.

Dee, N8UZE

Never. Just don't equate the Extra exam or having Extraness as if it
were an engineering degree. We'll get along Quitefine.

On Jan 30, 3:48�am, wrote:
On Jan 29, 10:40 pm, "Dee Flint" wrote:
"KH6HZ" wrote in message

...

"KC4UAI" wrote:

So, do I consider myself an expert in all things Ham Radio by
virtue of my license class? *Nope

Oddly enough, virtually all the "extras" I met during my tenure as a
"non-extra" didn't consider themselves Einsteins either. Now that I'm an
Extra, I do not consider myself an Einstein either.

It seems that only a small subset of hams (and non-hams) who post to this
forum seem to run into these self-proclaimed Einstein Extras.

But then, if you read their postings long enough, you'll begin to
understand that this bias towards Extras really isn't due to the fact
these extras are self-proclaimed Einsteins, but rather the fact that these
Extras passed a 20wpm code test at one point or another.

73
kh6hz

I believe the bias goes even deeper. *Even if code were not an issue, that
bias would still exist simply because the Extra has met a higher written
requirement too. *

Dee, I believe you are the first Extra to recognize that not all
writtens are the same. *Since the beginning of the code debate, and
now with the passing of the code exam, we are made to believe that the
writtens are a mere insignificant formality and all the real content
was in the code exam.

Of course that's not true. *Thank you for being and Extra and pointing
that out. *You are a No Code Technician in spirit!

In today's society, it seems to be politically incorrect
to have acquired more knowledge than someone else.

Dee, N8UZE

Never. *Just don't equate the Extra exam or having Extraness as if it
were an engineering degree. *We'll get along Quitefine.

...and if we send like Slow Code... :-)