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On Jan 28, 2:09?pm, wrote: On Jan 28, 12:08 pm, John Smith I wrote: wrote: Many Extras consider themselves Einsteins... They are not. True...but they have Relatives! [relatively speaking, that is... :-) ] LA |
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On Jan 28, 11:44 am, John Smith I wrote:
wrote: ... JS, I dunno. You have to recall that for the very longest time (and still) there has been prejudice against No-Code Technicians. They are "stupid, lazy, knuckledraggers with southern accents, welfare mothers of color with their hands out, etc, etc, etc." [and those were the least derogatory comments! :-) ] Only recently have people questioned the megalomania of certain Extras, their need to have a government crutch to maintain their self- worth and status, etc. [Okay, I'm not a "people"...I was saying that years ago :-)] So just as the sword began to cut both ways... What you won't be able to get to in this "judge ideas, and take posts at face value" is the motivations of individuals who present ideas, and make posts at face value. For example, we will never know why people would eat Robesin's excrement, only that he says they do. HHAC: Yes, there is "prejudice" and it has been there a long, long time, I kinda of like the ncts though (no code techs.) I think they may be individuals who have no talent for code, are busy supporting a family and use more of their time paying bills and medical expenses, more than anything else--yes, paul and his bunch call them names ... I haven't seen that from Paul. I agree but only part way. Schleck's explanations word it as if there was "never" any moderator activity anywhere else and his Usenet-Internet group is the "only" group that can handle it. That is, to put it most delicately, utter cow-flop. The BBSs were beginning to go national in networking in the early 1980s and hundreds of BBS Sysops were having to MODERATE thousands of users and subscribers. Their executive (main computer) software was already designed with Moderator's Controls to effect that moderation. I was there. I saw it. I used it. I've even talked to two different BBS software writer- designers. I've been a moderator on three different BBSs. Apparently that doesn't "count." quizical look Not of academia (despite having macadmias) I am brushed aside. It SEEMS to be the usual academic NIT syndrome. It SEEMS like only THEY (the academics) have the "smarts" to do it. The usual brush-aside is mentioning USENET out of ARPANET, supposedly all academic institutions. Actually no, both involved BOTH academia and corporations involved in defense work as well as instrumentation makers. Tsk, I was there on ARPANET for a short while, on USENET for a short while. Be damned if I ever saw any "moderation" on either many years ago. :-( And, yes, EXTRA class license holders tend to think of that paper as a doctor degree--but, a doctorate degree in what, a darn hobby? It isn't ... When I see a ham behaving badly, it doesn't surprise me when I learn that the ham is an Extra. That isn't to say that all Extras behave badly. It's almost a truism that the visible percentage of voluble amateur extras in here are that way. They wound so easily, the poor dears. KH2D for example. I consider him a friend. Most of the hams that I've agreed with and disagreed with on RRAP could be a friend should I ever meet them in person. There are several who I think are dangerous. By example of early DeJaVu archives (now Google's), Jim Kehler was, in my honest opinion, one of the WORST of the sarcastic, arrogant, in-your-face sort in his postings to me. I'm sorry if that bothers you, Brian, but this target of his frustrations and sarcasm didn't much like him. I classify Cranky Spanky as a junior grade sissy version of Kehler. Too bad Cranky was never stuck on Guam for years...he would have loved being where all the comms to the rest of the world were by HF. Wonder if Cranky has ever taken up golf? :-) I think after all the nicey-nice backslapping on the moderated group, they'll get sick of hearing the same-o, same-o from their cloned bretheren and be back on RRAP to hear what thinking people have to say. HAR! Beautiful, Brian. :-) They will find, after a while, that their little clubhouse elite is a very small place after all. Claustrophobia will set in or they will get drunk on their own high-fives. Or, they might bail to other places like eham.net and make out like they single-handedly worked stations side by side with Maxim or Marconi doing "pioneering" adventures in radio...that none of them could possibly have done. 146s, LA |
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On Jan 28, 8:36 pm, " wrote: On Jan 28, 11:44 am, John Smith I wrote: wrote: ... JS, I dunno. You have to recall that for the very longest time (and still) there has been prejudice against No-Code Technicians. They are "stupid, lazy, knuckledraggers with southern accents, welfare mothers of color with their hands out, etc, etc, etc." [and those were the least derogatory comments! :-) ] You gotta wonder which of the regulars are/were posting anonymously. Really hair-brained stuff. Only recently have people questioned the megalomania of certain Extras, their need to have a government crutch to maintain their self- worth and status, etc. [Okay, I'm not a "people"...I was saying that years ago :-)] Yep, without naming names... So just as the sword began to cut both ways... What you won't be able to get to in this "judge ideas, and take posts at face value" is the motivations of individuals who present ideas, and make posts at face value. For example, we will never know why people would eat Robesin's excrement, only that he says they do. HHAC: Yes, there is "prejudice" and it has been there a long, long time, I kinda of like the ncts though (no code techs.) I think they may be individuals who have no talent for code, are busy supporting a family and use more of their time paying bills and medical expenses, more than anything else--yes, paul and his bunch call them names ... I haven't seen that from Paul. I agree but only part way. Schleck's explanations word it as if there was "never" any moderator activity anywhere else and his Usenet-Internet group is the "only" group that can handle it. That is, to put it most delicately, utter cow-flop. The BBSs were beginning to go national in networking in the early 1980s and hundreds of BBS Sysops were having to MODERATE thousands of users and subscribers. Their executive (main computer) software was already designed with Moderator's Controls to effect that moderation. I was there. I saw it. I used it. I've even talked to two different BBS software writer- designers. I've been a moderator on three different BBSs. Apparently that doesn't "count." quizical look Not of academia (despite having macadmias) I am brushed aside. It SEEMS to be the usual academic NIT syndrome. It SEEMS like only THEY (the academics) have the "smarts" to do it. The usual brush-aside is mentioning USENET out of ARPANET, supposedly all academic institutions. Actually no, both involved BOTH academia and corporations involved in defense work as well as instrumentation makers. Tsk, I was there on ARPANET for a short while, on USENET for a short while. Be damned if I ever saw any "moderation" on either many years ago. :-( I'm disturbed that there was little or no discussion, and suddenly we have a "solution," complete with with a list of moderators that no one has ever heard of, nevermind that they are all Extras. And, yes, EXTRA class license holders tend to think of that paper as a doctor degree--but, a doctorate degree in what, a darn hobby? It isn't ... When I see a ham behaving badly, it doesn't surprise me when I learn that the ham is an Extra. That isn't to say that all Extras behave badly. It's almost a truism that the visible percentage of voluble amateur extras in here are that way. They wound so easily, the poor dears. They wouldn't be good moderators. Skin too thin. KH2D for example. I consider him a friend. Most of the hams that I've agreed with and disagreed with on RRAP could be a friend should I ever meet them in person. There are several who I think are dangerous. By example of early DeJaVu archives (now Google's), Jim Kehler was, in my honest opinion, one of the WORST of the sarcastic, arrogant, in-your-face sort in his postings to me. He could be "grumpy" in person, too. I'm sorry if that bothers you, Brian, but this target of his frustrations and sarcasm didn't much like him. I classify Cranky Spanky as a junior grade sissy version of Kehler. Too bad Cranky was never stuck on Guam for years...he would have loved being where all the comms to the rest of the world were by HF. He couldn't have handled the pileups. Wonder if Cranky has ever taken up golf? :-) "They" built a big golf course on Guam. Seems it is cheaper to fly to Guam for a weekend of golf than to pay greens fees in Japan. Anyway, they needed a lot of sand for the constructions, and brought a barge load of it from China. Welp, in China, any flowing water is considered a mechanism of taking care of waste. The sand they dredged was full of e-coli, and this was deposited over our freshwater well... I think after all the nicey-nice backslapping on the moderated group, they'll get sick of hearing the same-o, same-o from their cloned bretheren and be back on RRAP to hear what thinking people have to say. HAR! Beautiful, Brian. :-) They will find, after a while, that their little clubhouse elite is a very small place after all. Claustrophobia will set in or they will get drunk on their own high-fives. Their "safe room" will have to get padding. Or, they might bail to other places like eham.net and make out like they single-handedly worked stations side by side with Maxim or Marconi doing "pioneering" adventures in radio...that none of them could possibly have done. They didn't? 146s, LA- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - 243s |
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On Jan 29, 12:39 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: You gotta wonder which of the regulars are/were posting anonymously. Really hair-brained stuff. Hair-brained, was it? Did your mom ever take the "hare brush" to you? Dave K8MN Do you think Ed Hare is back, posting anonymously? |
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On Jan 28, 4:09 pm, wrote: ...Many Extras consider themselves Einsteins... They are not. Yea, I would agree.. We are not above average as a group.... Personally, I took the test expecting to fail, having just taken the General to upgrade my Tech Plus. I figured, what the heck? It didn't cost anymore to try and I had studied some. I didn't think I was ready, but I passed so here I am, lucky to be an Extra in my estimation. So, do I consider myself an expert in all things Ham Radio by virtue of my license class? Nope, I got a lot to learn and I'm sure there are some folks out there who have a boat load more practical experience than I, but have less privileges. The two Elmers who are largely responsible for me getting my original license among them. Thanks guys! (WB0WMP, K4GRW ) -= Bob =- |
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"KC4UAI" wrote:
So, do I consider myself an expert in all things Ham Radio by virtue of my license class? Nope Oddly enough, virtually all the "extras" I met during my tenure as a "non-extra" didn't consider themselves Einsteins either. Now that I'm an Extra, I do not consider myself an Einstein either. It seems that only a small subset of hams (and non-hams) who post to this forum seem to run into these self-proclaimed Einstein Extras. But then, if you read their postings long enough, you'll begin to understand that this bias towards Extras really isn't due to the fact these extras are self-proclaimed Einsteins, but rather the fact that these Extras passed a 20wpm code test at one point or another. 73 kh6hz |
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On Jan 29, 10:20 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote: On Jan 29, 12:39 am, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: You gotta wonder which of the regulars are/were posting anonymously. Really hair-brained stuff. Hair-brained, was it? Did your mom ever take the "hare brush" to you? Dave K8MN Do you think Ed Hare is back, posting anonymously? I don't think so but if he was doing so anonymously, how could I be sure? The same as when a French Ham tells you he's operating more than 200 KHz out of band - you just have to take his word for it. Now, tell me about "hair-brained". Dave K8MN You tell me about it. |
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