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Will "no code" license result in meaningful growth?

On Feb 3, 8:36?am, Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:
How many hams got their license so they could be the first on the
scene with mobile emergency communications, compared with those who
got their license because they thought "radio for its own sake" is
fun?

As a member of Intel's iEARS, the majority of people
within Intel that I recruited to be new hams were
primarily interested in emergency communications.
--
But were they primarily interested in being first on the scene with
mobile emergency communications, for things like auto accidents?

Or were they primarily interested in emergency communications between
fixed points, in situations where the normal communications
infrastucture was unavailable?

73 de Jim, N2EY

Will "no code" license result in meaningful growth?

On Feb 2, 8:09?pm, wrote:
On Feb 2, 10:16?pm, Cecil Moore wrote:

wrote:
What does amateur radio not offer now that it once did?

One example: First on the scene with emergency
mobile communications.

In the 1950's, I was the fifth person to arrive
upon the scene of a severe auto accident and the
first one with mobile communications with which
to call for help.

Nowadays, the first four people would have cell
phones. Even if I were the first on the scene,
I would use my cell phone, not my mobile ham rig.

I've been in that situation too, Cecil, and a lot more recently than
the 1950s.

Oh? Was that when you served the country in your
"other ways?"

Or was that when you shot bears for naval intellgence?
No, that couldn't be you...was another who also served
his country in "other ways."

Or maybe you were the military hero "in a country at
war?" No, that was your buddie wearing the little red
hat of a morse monkey, a former REMF who implies
all those things without being specific.

You couldn't have been a "resident of Hawaii" scarfing
up "club" calls for non-existant "radio clubs." No, that's
another poster entirely, the captain of the "Hornblower"
and the "Effluvia" motorboat (on that "three-hour tour").

And yes, if it were to happen today, my first reaction would be 911 on
the cell phone. Only if that didn't work would I consider ham radio.

But consider this:

How many hams got their license so they could be the first on the
scene with mobile emergency communications, compared with those who
got their license because they thought "radio for its own sake" is
fun?

So, how many DID get their hobby radio license "just for
being an 'emergency communicator?'"

Aren't you the one with their pulse on the numbers and
KNOWING what everyone's "intent and purpose" is?

Of course you are! C'mon out with the "real reasons."

Gotta love all those code-tested knowitalls. :-)

beep beep,
LA

Will "no code" license result in meaningful growth?

On Feb 2, 7:24�pm, Mike Coslo wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote in news:z8Twh.51868$QU1.17938
@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net:

wrote:

I tried calling 911 once, but couldn't find the 11 key.

* * * * - 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

Heh heh heh heh...that's a "keeper!" :-)

LA

Will "no code" license result in meaningful growth?

From: Mike Coslo on Fri, Feb 2 2007 6:53 pm

" wrote in
On Feb 2, 7:10?am, Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:

But what if it doesn't?

Ham radio still has a lot to offer but not
nearly as much as it once did. What can we
do to make it more attractive?

Sell diet plans and make-up kits at hamfests? :-)

Get Jenny Craig to sponsor a ham gathering?

Might help!

Hmmm...some shows on HGTV cable channel are shot just a
mile-plus from here over in Burbank. Maybe I'll make a
few local calls and see if anyone wants to make some
noise about that. Sorry, the FOOD channel is already
doing shows about ham for Easter. :-)

Thing one - there never will be a huge number of hams.

True. "The FEW, the Proud, the United States Hams!"

Well, the lack of sales-marketing efforts to buy ad
space in amateur radio periodicals caused at least
2 1/2 ham magazines to quit in the USA in the last
two decades. That was happening even as the numbers
of licensees were peaking about three years ago.

Thing two - I've seen firsthand the damage that the grouchy olde tymers
can do. They chase people away. Old timers with an attitude are now the
greatest danger to Ham radio.

I agree with you there. As an admitted "old timer"
I know what my chronological contemporaries are like
and do NOT like some of it.

Putting together a station is fun.

Talking around the world without a structure is fun.

Learning about all that Radio encompasses is fun.

Talking with friends old and new about radio is fun

Sure. It's an excellent hobby with great
learning-of-new-technology capability on top of it.

Fun, fun, fun, fun for everyone!

No, I disagree. There are lots of controlled-mind pedants
(some with black uniforms) in here who DEMAND Perfect
Professionalism in an amateur activity. One MUST do as
they say..."or else." They are the Masters and disrespect
of them is Forbidden!

Listening to someone bemoan CB'ers, nickle extras, and how their
prowess in CW makes them superior, how Hams really had it hard in the
old days, any idiot can become a ham nowadays, next thing yaknow, they
will be giving licenses away on boxes of cereal type hams, and onandon
is not fun.

It is Great FUN for Them. They LIKE putting on their
"superior" act.

That type would be helping the ARS best by turning in their
license. Or at least having the decency to keep their hate to
themselves.

Masters need not heed the "inferior" beings. They are immortal
and rule all, know all.

Tsk, FCC 06-178 is going to become LEGAL FACT in a few days.
The Masters still can't come to grips with that, not even
if they pile on the nice-nice hypocrisy now as compared to
their self-centered, subjective BS of the recent past.

Little people. Amateur professionals.

LA

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From: Dave Heil on Sat, 03 Feb
2007 19:32:42 GMT

wrote:
On Feb 2, 8:09?pm, wrote:
On Feb 2, 10:16?pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:

What does amateur radio not offer now that it once did?
One example: First on the scene with emergency
mobile communications.
In the 1950's, I was the fifth person to arrive
upon the scene of a severe auto accident and the
first one with mobile communications with which
to call for help.
Nowadays, the first four people would have cell
phones. Even if I were the first on the scene,
I would use my cell phone, not my mobile ham rig.
I've been in that situation too, Cecil, and a lot more recently than
the 1950s.

Oh? Was that when you served the country in your
"other ways?"

You are so intimate with Miccolis that you speak for him?

Miccolis, as usual, INFERRED something but never supplied
any details. Inference is NOT fact.

That fine example of the modern American amateur extra,
Steven James Robeson was doing that for years. Never
supplied ANY true, references of HIS involvement. That
is like another who INFERRED combat experience "in a
country at war," yet never supplied any references to
same.

I've never been very specific with you about my Vietnam service because
I've seen the kind of things you have done to others.

Bull****. Rhymes with bluffing. You never did much in
Vietnam therefore you don't have any details to supply.
You were never in combat against the Viet Cong and at
best, got into barracks brawls. It's the Robesin syndrome.
You are just a clone of Robesin.

I know exactly what I did in Japan, have even made available
a publicly-accessible photo essay on it...plus made a
publicly-available digital copy of what my Signal Battalion
produced a few years after I was returned to the States.
I am still in contact with both civilian and military
personnel who worked at the same signal facilities I did and
at the same time. That's not INFERRING anydamnthing.
It is history. It is FACT. It has been reviewed by people
that were there and no "faults" or "mistakes" were found.

I've done no
boasting about my service in Southeast Asia and have not gotten into
specifics.

You said you were "in a country at war." So were millions
of other military NON-combatants. You were a REMF.

I've never claimed any heroics nor have I described any
artillery barrages.

USAF enlisted personnel seldom trained for artillery
spotting and only commissioned officers were forward
observers for air strikes. I was given training as an
artillery spotter in addition to doing regular Signal Corps
duties. "Provisional Infantry Platoon" training in basic
fighting skills was standard practice in the US Army
during the 1950s, involving all those NOT in the "line"
outfits (infantry, artillery, armor).

How much military training has Miccolis received?

Answer: NONE. He's never even served his government
as a civilian. He wants to "lecture me" on how I
treat REAL military veterans? He thinks he is "better"
than those who served in the military. Maybe your
romance with him is going sour?

You are the individual who made the now famous sphincter post about what
it was like to undergo an artillery barrage, except that you were never
in an artillery barrage.

It is "famous" only in that you choose to highlight it. But,
you should have used the proper word - INFAMOUS.

Factual error, minus one point for Heil.

I was learning how to DIRECT artillery fall as an artillery
forward observer. Training. When one battery goofs and a
six rounds fall mistakenly within a couple hundred yards of
an observer team, one KNOWS what it must feel like to
enemies. That includes the cadre who were regular
artillerymen. They were definitely NOT happy with what
happened.

Another factual error of Heil's, now at two negative points.

That ties in nicely with your posts over a ten year period here.

You don't believe my PDF on Hal Hallikainen's website is
factual? Have you any proof that it is false? Can you
testify to that in a court of law? Or are you just testy?

I've stated in the beginning in here, and continuously
up to now that my purpose was the advocacy of elimination
of the code test for a license. No more, no less. You
and other bluffmanship extras kept inferring it was
otherwise. FCC 06-178 is a "go for launch." It WILL
HAPPEN. Code test go bye-bye. Very, very soon.

Big 5-point Bonus Factual Error on Heil's part, score now
at -7.

You rant about getting into amateur radio but you've
never gotten into amateur radio or even tried to do so.

"Rant?!?" :-) Ooooo! Ooooo!

BIG 25-POINT FACTUAL ERROR! [Heil now at -32!]

Tsk, tsk, tsk...WTF do you think my GETTING INTO big
time HF comms was? Three years worth of 24/7 comms,
long-haul stuff...*NO* "license" or morse code skill
required. Did you think a single test sitting for a
First Radiotelephone (Commercial) license was an easy
thing that one could just waltz through?!? In 1956.
90-mile train trip to Chicago (no snow, no hills, kept
shoes on during that March trip).

Riiiight...you consider a whole working career in
electronics (including "radio"), relying on a paycheck
for food and shelter to be a NOTHING compared to the
almighty high-rate-morse-tested amateur extra rank-
status-privilege you puff out your chest about? Wow,
all that from an EX-federally-employed State Department
"veteran" who got to be Mr. DX complete with living
accomodations. Riiiight...we real workers in the
electronics industry are all pikers in your pointy
little mind, couldn't possibly be as saintly as you
pensioners. To you the real Pros must seem less than
****, worse than river-bottom slime, right?

Sweaty, my 1951 high school yearbook has a mention of
"work done towards amateur radio." In real ink on
real paper. Wanna see? Wanna shove it up yer bum?
After the ignorance of adolescence I got into the REAL
world. Realized that AMATEUR radio was a HOBBY, not
the "profession" that so many want to imagine in their
own fantasies.

Now, a HOBBY is a fine thing. I am still fascinated
by "radio" (a subset of the larger, miraculous
technology of ELECTRONICS). I stay aware and informed
about as much as I can and, once in a while, do some
work for actual money! That limits what I've been doing
for a hobby for over a half century (the last 42 years in
my center-of-the-house workshop, rebuilt to that by me).
No sweat. It's all enjoyable.

Why do you think you are so double-damned "important"
that you can act so arrogant, bossy, and self-righteous
in here? Amateur radio is basically a HOBBY. "Radio"
technology is neither a secret to nor separate from
all other radio services in the USA. The FCC doesn't
restrict communications from ONLY amateurs about the
amateur radio service. It doesn't restrict ANY citizen
from commenting on ANY US civil radio service. Got
that, pale rider?

After 23 Feb 07 there will be NO requirements for
morse code skill to obtain ANY amateur radio license.
Yet you just can't get it, can you? Your years of
posturing and preening as the mighty macho morseman
"masters" are of NO value except to you and other
pale riders of the Four Morsemen of the Apolcalypse.

Do you have your finger on the pulse of amateur radio, Leonard?

No, only what the ARRL and a handful of other ham radio
websites show. The ARRL is, or very shortly will be,
in a crisis condition on memberships. They need the
members to sustain their proof-of-readership so that
they can sell ad space in QST to keep it alive. Their
large publication and re-sell business side of the
house is making all the cash that sustains their "free"
services for members.

If I want fairy stories all I need to do is tickle one
of the self-righteous, self-defined "experts in radio"
(morsemen all) to hear fairy stories about the "service
to the nation" of hamateur radio. Lord knows they want
to spout that **** often enough in here without
provocation.

If I want REAL information on US amateur radio, I can
go to dozens of friends and acquaintences, people I
KNOW, have worked with, are friends in-person, not the
pseudo-friendship of on-line-only familiarity. They
will level with me. YOU will NOT. You never have.

Of course you are! C'mon out with the "real reasons."

Gotta love all those code-tested knowitalls. :-)

One who has passed a Morse Code exam or an amateur radio written exam
has done one more thing than you've done.

Ooooo! Oooooo! I guess you think you "really told me"
dintcha? :-)

I've never gotten a Masters degree, never gotten a PhD,
never breast-fed an infant, never put on women's clothing,
never done a cylinder replacement on a car engine, never
cured cancer, never climbed Mt. Everest, never tried out
to be an astronaut, never flew an ultra-light, never
"pioneered the (radio) airwaves" in the 1930s, never did
hang-gliding, never ran a marathon, never stood watch
on 500 KHz as a coastie, never "slept with" a man, never
got divorced, never ran away from a good fight.

Wanna call me a "failure?!?" Wanna pick up those
teeth of yours littering the floor? :-)

You're still sitting on the
sidelines, telling us which play the coach *should* have sent in.

"Telling YOU something?" IMPOSSIBLE! Nobody can tell
YOU what you don't want to hear.

"Sidelines:" Attempt at a metaphor. A typical football
(American version) is a hundred yards long, narrow.
But, it is bordered by THE REST OF THE WORLD! 99+
percent of all the rest of the world ARE on the "sidelines!"

I live in the real world. Not some closed, private little
enclave of dreamers thinking They are some kind of
masters of radio. Little men. Pretenders at being
professional as amateurs. Oxymoronic. Brain damage
from lack of honest oxygen, turning into moronic mumblers
about "superiority."

Keep your mighty Rank-Status-Titles as long as you can.
It seems to be all you have...besides bigotry and
sociopathy rampant in your clan and sept. Little man.

FU,
LA

Will "no code" license result in meaningful growth?

The technical aspect of it will sell at a fairly low level until
the chinese put a man on the moon, then the politico's will scream about
how the US is being eclipsed technically, and we start having sputnik
flashbacks. then parents may encourage their children to look at
technical pursuits.

I agree that the ATV ballooning aspect is a good approach for
generating interest. I was heading up a ballooning effort when other ARS
related activities made it take a back seat. But it has the potential
for some really interesting work that amateurs can participate in.

Amateur TV on a balloon or maybe by a ham in a Cesna airplane would be
interesting. Also, along with the NTSC link, do a digital TV one as
well (the encoder and modulator side of things can be bought at not
outrageous cost, and the receive end can be a consumer digital TV tuned
to a "cable" channel that happens to be the ham band). "Yeah, but a
cell phone does that", but not at this level of picture quality.

Will "no code" license result in meaningful growth?

Thing one - there never will be a huge number of hams.

Thing two - I've seen firsthand the damage that the grouchy olde tymers
can do. They chase people away. Old timers with an attitude are now the
greatest danger to Ham radio.

Putting together a station is fun.

Talking around the world without a structure is fun.

Most people don't realize how much infrastructure it takes to have flame
wars on newsgroups via the Internet. :-) They need to understand that
before they can appreciate that hams can talk to other hams worldwide
without any infrastructure other than their own radios and antennas.

Learning about all that Radio encompasses is fun.

Talking with friends old and new about radio is fun

Fun, fun, fun, fun for everyone!

Listening to someone bemoan CB'ers, nickle extras, and how their
prowess in CW makes them superior, how Hams really had it hard in the
old days, any idiot can become a ham nowadays, next thing yaknow, they
will be giving licenses away on boxes of cereal type hams, and on and on
is not fun.

"No kids, no lids, and no space cadets!"....

The ARRL should place a few ads in CB magazines to announce the no code
HF licenses. Not that we would want "freebander" style activity to leak
into the ham bands, but some "freebanders" may want to "repent" and get
into legal radio (sure, it sounds hokey, but what the hell...). But it
needs to be clear that they must quit the "freeband" once they become
hams. And maybe some elmers can help them convert that "lynaear" into a
clean and proper linear for 10m....