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February 6th 07, 01:19 AM
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Did this Amateur Violate US Neutrality Act?
On Feb 2, 9:20 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote:
And is it legal for a licensed amateur to violate rules of a sovereign country (no matter how well-intentioned? Um... Until this guy gets convicted of a crime in the US, the FCC won't have much to say... So, are you saying he violated US law? If not then what's the point? -= Bob =- |
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#12
February 6th 07, 03:53 AM
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Did this Amateur Violate US Neutrality Act?
"KC4UAI" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 2, 9:20 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: And is it legal for a licensed amateur to violate rules of a sovereign country (no matter how well-intentioned? Um... Until this guy gets convicted of a crime in the US, the FCC won't have much to say... So, are you saying he violated US law? If not then what's the point? The US Government tends to frown on US citizens providing material support to any side of a civil war that is occurring in a foreign country unless of course such support is part of a CIA sponsored covert aid program. A citizen operating outside the bounds of US policy might be construed as violating US neutrality laws. |
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#13
February 6th 07, 05:01 PM
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Did this Amateur Violate US Neutrality Act?
On Feb 5, 8:53 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote:
A citizen operating outside the bounds of US policy might be construed as violating US neutrality laws. Maybe or maybe not. In either case, FCC has no jurisdiction to prosecute "neutrality laws". Be careful you don't get a heart attack from mountain climbing in mole hills. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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#14
February 6th 07, 05:04 PM
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Did this Amateur Violate US Neutrality Act?
On Feb 5, 9:53 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote:
"KC4UAI" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 2, 9:20 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: And is it legal for a licensed amateur to violate rules of a sovereign country (no matter how well-intentioned? Um... Until this guy gets convicted of a crime in the US, the FCC won't have much to say... So, are you saying he violated US law? If not then what's the point? The US Government tends to frown on US citizens providing material support snip Then, get the guy convicted of a crime and *then* complain to the FCC about his license... The FCC is not in the business of enforcing all the laws of the US, just the ones they wrote. -= bob =- |
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#15
February 7th 07, 12:48 AM
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Did this Amateur Violate US Neutrality Act?
"KŘHB" wrote in message oups.com... On Feb 5, 8:53 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: A citizen operating outside the bounds of US policy might be construed as violating US neutrality laws. Maybe or maybe not. In either case, FCC has no jurisdiction to prosecute "neutrality laws". Be careful you don't get a heart attack from mountain climbing in mole hills. How can one get a heart attack climbing mountains in molehills? It is quite impossible for a mountain to exist in a molehill. This is what my high school grammar teacher called a "mixed metaphor". Remember that? Mixed metaphors are to be avoided as they tend not to make any sense and fail to provide the irony intended. How were your grades in grammar claas? |
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#16
February 7th 07, 12:55 AM
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Did this Amateur Violate US Neutrality Act?
wrote in message ... On 6 Feb 2007 09:01:57 -0800, "KŘHB" wrote: On Feb 5, 8:53 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: A citizen operating outside the bounds of US policy might be construed as violating US neutrality laws. Maybe or maybe not. In either case, FCC has no jurisdiction to prosecute "neutrality laws". indeed if Mr Wlf has eveidence the FBI would seem to be a better venture than the FCC OTOH I suspect he is crying wolf No, I merely intended to open a discussion on topic within the ng topic(radio.policy). You on ther hand tend to post off-topic most of the time. I am sure my position is correct and I see very little discourse on the other side that is actually well thought out. It seems like you and K0HB are saying "You are wrong because it doesn't affect the FCC"...FCC and FBI are enforcement arms of the federal government. It makes no difference who does the actual enforcing. The FBI could take actiom against obscenity being transmitted over the radio spectrum but so could the FCC. |
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#17
February 7th 07, 12:58 AM
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Did this Amateur Violate US Neutrality Act?
"KC4UAI" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 5, 9:53 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: "KC4UAI" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 2, 9:20 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: And is it legal for a licensed amateur to violate rules of a sovereign country (no matter how well-intentioned? Um... Until this guy gets convicted of a crime in the US, the FCC won't have much to say... So, are you saying he violated US law? If not then what's the point? The US Government tends to frown on US citizens providing material support snip Then, get the guy convicted of a crime and *then* complain to the FCC about his license... The FCC is not in the business of enforcing all the laws of the US, just the ones they wrote. If it involves illegal transmission by a US citizen or resident of electromagnetic waves anywhere, between 3000Hz and light waves, it is within the FCC's scope to take action. |
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#18
February 7th 07, 12:59 AM
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Did this Amateur Violate US Neutrality Act?
wrote in message ... On 6 Feb 2007 09:04:56 -0800, "KC4UAI" wrote: On Feb 5, 9:53 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: "KC4UAI" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 2, 9:20 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: And is it legal for a licensed amateur to violate rules of a sovereign country (no matter how well-intentioned? Um... Until this guy gets convicted of a crime in the US, the FCC won't have much to say... So, are you saying he violated US law? If not then what's the point? The US Government tends to frown on US citizens providing material support snip Then, get the guy convicted of a crime and *then* complain to the FCC about his license... The FCC is not in the business of enforcing all the laws of the US, just the ones they wrote. the FCC does not write laws at all Bob they write regulations concerning telecom True, they do have juriosdiction over "telecom" (telephone). They also have jurisdiction over RF, which is what I was referring to. |
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#19
February 7th 07, 01:25 AM
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Did this Amateur Violate US Neutrality Act?
Stefan Wolfe wrote:
"KC4UAI" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 5, 9:53 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: "KC4UAI" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 2, 9:20 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: And is it legal for a licensed amateur to violate rules of a sovereign country (no matter how well-intentioned? Um... Until this guy gets convicted of a crime in the US, the FCC won't have much to say... So, are you saying he violated US law? If not then what's the point? The US Government tends to frown on US citizens providing material support snip Then, get the guy convicted of a crime and *then* complain to the FCC about his license... The FCC is not in the business of enforcing all the laws of the US, just the ones they wrote. If it involves illegal transmission by a US citizen or resident of electromagnetic waves anywhere, between 3000Hz and light waves, it is within the FCC's scope to take action. If the action violates US law and occured on US soil, the FCC can take action. If not, the foreign government can prosecute if the offender is on their soil, or if not and there is a treaty, ask the US for extradition of the offender, none of which would involve the FCC. The FCC has no jurisdiction over anything that happens on foreign soil. The FCC could take action after the person was convicted by a foreign government under the various character clauses. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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#20
February 7th 07, 01:36 AM
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Did this Amateur Violate US Neutrality Act?
wrote in message ... Stefan Wolfe wrote: "KC4UAI" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 5, 9:53 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: "KC4UAI" wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 2, 9:20 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: And is it legal for a licensed amateur to violate rules of a sovereign country (no matter how well-intentioned? Um... Until this guy gets convicted of a crime in the US, the FCC won't have much to say... So, are you saying he violated US law? If not then what's the point? The US Government tends to frown on US citizens providing material support snip Then, get the guy convicted of a crime and *then* complain to the FCC about his license... The FCC is not in the business of enforcing all the laws of the US, just the ones they wrote. If it involves illegal transmission by a US citizen or resident of electromagnetic waves anywhere, between 3000Hz and light waves, it is within the FCC's scope to take action. If the action violates US law and occured on US soil, the FCC can take action. If not, the foreign government can prosecute if the offender is on their soil, or if not and there is a treaty, ask the US for extradition of the offender, none of which would involve the FCC. The FCC has no jurisdiction over anything that happens on foreign soil. The FCC could take action after the person was convicted by a foreign government under the various character clauses. On more than one occasion, shortwave pirate broadcasters have taken their radio equipment onto to a ship, sailed out to international waters and transmitted. In every case, when the ship returned to USA waters, the FCC seized their equipment and prosecuted the pirate broadcasters. The offenses did not occur on USA territory. The FCC acted in accordance with treaties signed by the USA and other ITU members. QED. |
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