Residence vs. Mailing Address
 

On Feb 16, 7:17 pm, "KH6HZ" wrote:
wrote:
The regulations do not require that someone give the FCC
their "residence". All the FCC requires is a valid mailing
address. In the case of certain callsigns, the mailing address
must be in certain locations, such as Hawaii, but there is
no residence requirement.

Yup. Exactly.

My neighbor has a valid mailing address. It is not where I receive my
mail. Neither is a PO Box 7,000 miles away.

Should my neighbor come to me with a letter for you from Riley, I'll
be sure to let you know.

Besides - all that stuff about the club calls is more than six
years old. Why are you living in the past? Is it because the
person who held all those calls was and is an advocate of
complete Morse Code test elimination?

Comeon, Jim... You don't wanna spoil their fun crying "FRAUD!" and all sorts
of other chicken-little claims, do you?

What? "Once a fraud, always a fraud" doesn't apply?

Residence vs. Mailing Address
 

On Feb 16, 7:50 pm, "
wrote:
On Feb 16, 2:49?pm, wrote:

On Feb 16, 3:55?pm, "
wrote:

? ?fraudulently claimed a Hawaiian
? ?Post Office Box address as being his "residence," one
? ?that would allow him to obtain a Hawaiian amateur radio
? ?station call sign. ?

I suggest you read Part 97 again.

I suggest you stuff it up yer nose.

The regulations do not require that someone give the FCC
their "residence". All the FCC requires is a valid mailing
address. In the case of certain callsigns, the mailing address
must be in certain locations, such as Hawaii, but there is
no residence requirement.

FCC used to care about where a licensee lived, and the
actual station location. But all that changed many years
ago, and all they have required for may years is a valid
mailing address where the licensee may receive mail
from FCC.

So, you NOW work for the US government in the FCC?

Riiiiiiight..."may receive mail from FCC." Four, maybe six
days to get to Hawaii, several days before Herman would
pick it up and forward it to Deignan's real postal address,
then four to six days to get back to DC with a needed
reply. At least two weeks elapsed time. Real "quick"
and "fast-moving" communications, right?

After all, the FCC did accept and process the vanity call
applications, and did issue the callsigns. Perhaps it was
simply a misunderstanding of the intent of the rules,
rather than the letter of the law.

Sweetums, you are indeed NAIVE. "Misunderstanding
the intent of the rules" is total bull**** on your part.
Deignan saw what others were already doing and wanted
a piece of the action, plus getting a spiffy Hawaiian call
in the same process. He took advantage that few would
notice it in Gettysburg (they didn't) and bingo, there was
the spiffy "vanity call" denoting the state of Hawaii!

Jim will wail and cry about Haliburton giving a service in the most
dangerous part of the world and expecting to be paid a high price for
it. But if another Extra wants a bunch of "club" calls and gloms a
KH6 personal call, then he rightly deserves them and is ENTITLED
(RHIP).


You never saw all the "club call" listings atwww.ah0a.org?
Must not have (you turn a blind eye on many things).

Jim has never been to the AH0A site. Hi!

FCC has issued some vanity callsigns that some consider
inappropriate for the amateur radio service. Those callsigns
would not normally be issued in sequence, so the FCC is
aware of the controversy, yet they issued those callsigns
when requested through the vanity program.

Go and admonish some yokel who thinks you are some
kind of ancient guru-figure official. We regulars know
better.

Kim's callsign was just a diversion, unrelated to fraud.

Besides - all that stuff about the club calls is more than six
years old.

Tsk, tsk! That's one year NEWER than your many-times-
repeated "boast of mine" about getting "an extra out-of-the-
box."

Selective ham years.

Why are you living in the past?

...so asks the ancient guru of hamme raddio expounding on
"Bandplans of 1940" inwww.eham.netAS IF they ever applied
to His life experience.

Jim is the reincarnation of Hiram.

Is it because the
person who held all those calls was and is an advocate of
complete Morse Code test elimination?

Total bull****, ancient guru. Deignan was always out for Deignan.

That's a fact, Jack!

Yeah, he passed an extra test at one time in the past. He got
an extra call. But...the ex-captain of the "Effluvia" WANTED
MORE. So, with the aid of a buddie in Hawaii, he conspires to
get a spiffy HAWAIIAN call (the "KH6" prefix) that would NOT
be issued to a (then) Rhode Island resident. Not only that, he
dreamed up a dozen FAKE "clubs" and got callsigns for them,
too.

But he's an Extra. RHIP.

Why don't you go back to your private little corner of OLDE TYMES
and memorize all the OLD rules so you can play the ancient guru
"authority" on times long gone? Or go get laid. [have you lost
your
virginity yet?]

Yikes! Jim's sexuality or lack thereof has no place in RRAP.

Better yet, why don't you arrange a 'sked' with K4YZ on "CW."
Then you can slap him directly over your very own raddio instead
of pretending to be a tuff guy in here?

LA

You must have seen the awesome "Who's Morky?" remark.

Jim stood toe to toe with the Robesinner and didn't blink (Tom Petty
playing "Won't Back Down" in the background).

REPOST: 3rd RFD: rec.radio.amateur.moderated moderated (LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS)
 

wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 15, 8:40 pm, "KH6HZ" wrote:
wrote:
I disapprove of individual amateurs collecting a bunch of club
callsigns.

Nobody really cares about your approval, or lack thereof.

Welp, Riley came around to my way of thinking, so I don't care that
you don't care...

Welp (grin) I don't care that you don't care that I don't care that you
don't care...
Oh, wait. Am I being redundant here?

'scuse me while I check the dictionary for the definition of cantankerous.
Maybe I are.

Residence vs. Mailing Address
 

wrote in message
ps.com...
On Feb 16, 7:50 pm, "
wrote:
On Feb 16, 2:49?pm, wrote:

On Feb 16, 3:55?pm, "
wrote:

? ?fraudulently claimed a Hawaiian
? ?Post Office Box address as being his "residence," one
? ?that would allow him to obtain a Hawaiian amateur radio
? ?station call sign. ?

I suggest you read Part 97 again.

I suggest you stuff it up yer nose.

The regulations do not require that someone give the FCC
their "residence". All the FCC requires is a valid mailing
address. In the case of certain callsigns, the mailing address
must be in certain locations, such as Hawaii, but there is
no residence requirement.

FCC used to care about where a licensee lived, and the
actual station location. But all that changed many years
ago, and all they have required for may years is a valid
mailing address where the licensee may receive mail
from FCC.

So, you NOW work for the US government in the FCC?

Riiiiiiight..."may receive mail from FCC." Four, maybe six
days to get to Hawaii, several days before Herman would
pick it up and forward it to Deignan's real postal address,
then four to six days to get back to DC with a needed
reply. At least two weeks elapsed time. Real "quick"
and "fast-moving" communications, right?

After all, the FCC did accept and process the vanity call
applications, and did issue the callsigns. Perhaps it was
simply a misunderstanding of the intent of the rules,
rather than the letter of the law.

Sweetums, you are indeed NAIVE. "Misunderstanding
the intent of the rules" is total bull**** on your part.
Deignan saw what others were already doing and wanted
a piece of the action, plus getting a spiffy Hawaiian call
in the same process. He took advantage that few would
notice it in Gettysburg (they didn't) and bingo, there was
the spiffy "vanity call" denoting the state of Hawaii!

Jim will wail and cry about Haliburton giving a service in the most
dangerous part of the world and expecting to be paid a high price for
it. But if another Extra wants a bunch of "club" calls and gloms a
KH6 personal call, then he rightly deserves them and is ENTITLED
(RHIP).


You never saw all the "club call" listings atwww.ah0a.org?
Must not have (you turn a blind eye on many things).

Jim has never been to the AH0A site. Hi!

FCC has issued some vanity callsigns that some consider
inappropriate for the amateur radio service. Those callsigns
would not normally be issued in sequence, so the FCC is
aware of the controversy, yet they issued those callsigns
when requested through the vanity program.

Go and admonish some yokel who thinks you are some
kind of ancient guru-figure official. We regulars know
better.

Kim's callsign was just a diversion, unrelated to fraud.

Besides - all that stuff about the club calls is more than six
years old.

Tsk, tsk! That's one year NEWER than your many-times-
repeated "boast of mine" about getting "an extra out-of-the-
box."

Selective ham years.

Why are you living in the past?

...so asks the ancient guru of hamme raddio expounding on
"Bandplans of 1940" inwww.eham.netAS IF they ever applied
to His life experience.

Jim is the reincarnation of Hiram.

Is it because the
person who held all those calls was and is an advocate of
complete Morse Code test elimination?

Total bull****, ancient guru. Deignan was always out for Deignan.

That's a fact, Jack!

Yeah, he passed an extra test at one time in the past. He got
an extra call. But...the ex-captain of the "Effluvia" WANTED
MORE. So, with the aid of a buddie in Hawaii, he conspires to
get a spiffy HAWAIIAN call (the "KH6" prefix) that would NOT
be issued to a (then) Rhode Island resident. Not only that, he
dreamed up a dozen FAKE "clubs" and got callsigns for them,
too.

But he's an Extra. RHIP.

Why don't you go back to your private little corner of OLDE TYMES
and memorize all the OLD rules so you can play the ancient guru
"authority" on times long gone? Or go get laid. [have you lost
your
virginity yet?]

Yikes! Jim's sexuality or lack thereof has no place in RRAP.

Better yet, why don't you arrange a 'sked' with K4YZ on "CW."
Then you can slap him directly over your very own raddio instead
of pretending to be a tuff guy in here?

LA

You must have seen the awesome "Who's Morky?" remark.

Jim stood toe to toe with the Robesinner and didn't blink (Tom Petty
playing "Won't Back Down" in the background).

Thanks for the memory jog. I always liked that song. Guess I'll have to fire
up Limewire and see if I can d-load it.
Yup, Markie, before you jump, I am willfully violating copyright laws by
downloading old songs such as this. Like you, who conveniently blames
everybody else, I'll blame HH&C for putting me in mind of this great old
song. He made me do it.

Thanks, HH&C. Have you any more songs to suggest?

Residence vs. Mailing Address
 

wrote:

I suggest you go to your local Post Office and ask them about renting
a PO Box then using it for other people.

Perfectly 100% legal within postal regulations.


What do the Postal Regulations say about it?

Since you're the "expert" Brain, why don't you tell us?

Free clue: Be sure to refer to the pre-9/11 / Patriot Act postal
regulations.


The government can be defrauded as well as anyone, and there was no
misunderstanding. It was poor amateur practice.

Says you. But then, you don't count.


It's because the individual incessantly tells others how to live their
ham-lives, then defrauds his friend and the FCC.

Neither the FCC nor my friend were defrauded, despite your repeated
foot-stomping and tantrums to the contrary.

Residence vs. Mailing Address
 

wrote:

Cancelling a dozen fraudulent callsigns is "inaction."

The FCC never cancelled a dozen callsigns. One has to wonder how you passed
an amateur radio exam given you seem to fail basic math. Perhaps Riley
should require you to be retested.

Nor were the callsigns "fraudulent". The cancelled callsigns were 100% valid
callsigns issued by the FCC. A callsign issued by the FCC cannot be
fraudulent by its very definition.


What? You just had "verbal" meeting minutes? You didn't get them in
writing???

Where in 97.5(b)(2) does it state meeting minutes are a requirement?


There were no clubs, there were no members, and there were no
documents of organization.

Define a "document of organization". Charter issed by the State? IRS
recognition as a non-profit organization? A 1-sheet piece of paper that says
"We're a club, this is what we do, and the club license trustee is manager
ad infinitum"?

Guess what? That 97.5(b)(2) doesn't define what a 'document of organization'
is, so a 1-page or 1-paragraph description suffices.


There were no meetings, and there were no minutes recorded.

There is no definition in 97.5(b)(2) as to how often a club has to have
meetings, how long those meetings have to be, how the meetings have to be
publicized, or that the 'minutes' of any meetings held be maintained.

A group of 5 hams getting together informally several times a year, chatting
over coffee, and participating in a DF "foxhunt", fully meets the
requirements of 97.5(b)(2)


If you want to stomp your feet and jump up and down some more, be my guest.
Doesn't change the facts -- which anyone can google and see for themselves.


Now, go take a quinapril, we don't want you to burst a blood vessel.

REPOST: 3rd RFD: rec.radio.amateur.moderated moderated (LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS)
 

On Feb 17, 12:49 am, "Paul W. Schlock" PWS@Flatulence wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com... On Feb 15, 8:40 pm, "KH6HZ" wrote:
wrote:
I disapprove of individual amateurs collecting a bunch of club
callsigns.

Nobody really cares about your approval, or lack thereof.

Welp, Riley came around to my way of thinking, so I don't care that
you don't care...

Welp (grin) I don't care that you don't care that I don't care that you
don't care...
Oh, wait. Am I being redundant here?

'scuse me while I check the dictionary for the definition of cantankerous.
Maybe I are.

Did Riley come around to your way of thinking, too?

Residence vs. Mailing Address
 

On Feb 17, 7:13 am, "KH6HZ" wrote:
wrote:
Cancelling a dozen fraudulent callsigns is "inaction."

The FCC never cancelled a dozen callsigns. One has to wonder how you passed
an amateur radio exam given you seem to fail basic math. Perhaps Riley
should require you to be retested.

Nor were the callsigns "fraudulent". The cancelled callsigns were 100% valid
callsigns issued by the FCC. A callsign issued by the FCC cannot be
fraudulent by its very definition.

What? You just had "verbal" meeting minutes? You didn't get them in
writing???

Where in 97.5(b)(2) does it state meeting minutes are a requirement?

There were no clubs, there were no members, and there were no
documents of organization.

Define a "document of organization". Charter issed by the State? IRS
recognition as a non-profit organization? A 1-sheet piece of paper that says
"We're a club, this is what we do, and the club license trustee is manager
ad infinitum"?

Guess what? That 97.5(b)(2) doesn't define what a 'document of organization'
is, so a 1-page or 1-paragraph description suffices.

There were no meetings, and there were no minutes recorded.

There is no definition in 97.5(b)(2) as to how often a club has to have
meetings, how long those meetings have to be, how the meetings have to be
publicized, or that the 'minutes' of any meetings held be maintained.

A group of 5 hams getting together informally several times a year, chatting
over coffee, and participating in a DF "foxhunt", fully meets the
requirements of 97.5(b)(2)

If you want to stomp your feet and jump up and down some more, be my guest.
Doesn't change the facts -- which anyone can google and see for themselves.

Now, go take a quinapril, we don't want you to burst a blood vessel.

Mike, it sure looks like you non-complied with everthing that wasn't
in Part 97. You could be the example child for the next Part 97
update. It could be called the "Mad Dog Mike Deignan Clause."

Congrats on being so smart an outwitting Riley.

You da RF Commando Man!

Residence vs. Mailing Address
 

On Feb 17, 1:11 am, "Paul W. Schlock" PWS@Flatulence wrote:
wrote in message

ps.com...



On Feb 16, 7:50 pm, "
wrote:
On Feb 16, 2:49?pm, wrote:

On Feb 16, 3:55?pm, "
wrote:

? ?fraudulently claimed a Hawaiian
? ?Post Office Box address as being his "residence," one
? ?that would allow him to obtain a Hawaiian amateur radio
? ?station call sign. ?

I suggest you read Part 97 again.

I suggest you stuff it up yer nose.

The regulations do not require that someone give the FCC
their "residence". All the FCC requires is a valid mailing
address. In the case of certain callsigns, the mailing address
must be in certain locations, such as Hawaii, but there is
no residence requirement.

FCC used to care about where a licensee lived, and the
actual station location. But all that changed many years
ago, and all they have required for may years is a valid
mailing address where the licensee may receive mail
from FCC.

So, you NOW work for the US government in the FCC?

Riiiiiiight..."may receive mail from FCC." Four, maybe six
days to get to Hawaii, several days before Herman would
pick it up and forward it to Deignan's real postal address,
then four to six days to get back to DC with a needed
reply. At least two weeks elapsed time. Real "quick"
and "fast-moving" communications, right?

After all, the FCC did accept and process the vanity call
applications, and did issue the callsigns. Perhaps it was
simply a misunderstanding of the intent of the rules,
rather than the letter of the law.

Sweetums, you are indeed NAIVE. "Misunderstanding
the intent of the rules" is total bull**** on your part.
Deignan saw what others were already doing and wanted
a piece of the action, plus getting a spiffy Hawaiian call
in the same process. He took advantage that few would
notice it in Gettysburg (they didn't) and bingo, there was
the spiffy "vanity call" denoting the state of Hawaii!

Jim will wail and cry about Haliburton giving a service in the most
dangerous part of the world and expecting to be paid a high price for
it. But if another Extra wants a bunch of "club" calls and gloms a
KH6 personal call, then he rightly deserves them and is ENTITLED
(RHIP).

You never saw all the "club call" listings atwww.ah0a.org?
Must not have (you turn a blind eye on many things).

Jim has never been to the AH0A site. Hi!

FCC has issued some vanity callsigns that some consider
inappropriate for the amateur radio service. Those callsigns
would not normally be issued in sequence, so the FCC is
aware of the controversy, yet they issued those callsigns
when requested through the vanity program.

Go and admonish some yokel who thinks you are some
kind of ancient guru-figure official. We regulars know
better.

Kim's callsign was just a diversion, unrelated to fraud.

Besides - all that stuff about the club calls is more than six
years old.

Tsk, tsk! That's one year NEWER than your many-times-
repeated "boast of mine" about getting "an extra out-of-the-
box."

Selective ham years.

Why are you living in the past?

...so asks the ancient guru of hamme raddio expounding on
"Bandplans of 1940" inwww.eham.netASIF they ever applied
to His life experience.

Jim is the reincarnation of Hiram.

Is it because the
person who held all those calls was and is an advocate of
complete Morse Code test elimination?

Total bull****, ancient guru. Deignan was always out for Deignan.

That's a fact, Jack!

Yeah, he passed an extra test at one time in the past. He got
an extra call. But...the ex-captain of the "Effluvia" WANTED
MORE. So, with the aid of a buddie in Hawaii, he conspires to
get a spiffy HAWAIIAN call (the "KH6" prefix) that would NOT
be issued to a (then) Rhode Island resident. Not only that, he
dreamed up a dozen FAKE "clubs" and got callsigns for them,
too.

But he's an Extra. RHIP.

Why don't you go back to your private little corner of OLDE TYMES
and memorize all the OLD rules so you can play the ancient guru
"authority" on times long gone? Or go get laid. [have you lost
your
virginity yet?]

Yikes! Jim's sexuality or lack thereof has no place in RRAP.

Better yet, why don't you arrange a 'sked' with K4YZ on "CW."
Then you can slap him directly over your very own raddio instead
of pretending to be a tuff guy in here?

LA

You must have seen the awesome "Who's Morky?" remark.

Jim stood toe to toe with the Robesinner and didn't blink (Tom Petty
playing "Won't Back Down" in the background).

Thanks for the memory jog. I always liked that song. Guess I'll have to fire
up Limewire and see if I can d-load it.
Yup, Markie, before you jump, I am willfully violating copyright laws by
downloading old songs such as this.

Old? It doesn't seem old to me. How many ham-years ago did Tom
release it?

Like you, who conveniently blames
everybody else, I'll blame HH&C for putting me in mind of this great old
song. He made me do it.

Flip Wilson, "The Devil Made Me Do It!"

Thanks, HH&C. Have you any more songs to suggest?-

Anything by David Hasselhoff.

Residence vs. Mailing Address
 

On Feb 17, 6:52 am, "KH6HZ" wrote:
wrote:
I suggest you go to your local Post Office and ask them about renting
a PO Box then using it for other people.

Perfectly 100% legal within postal regulations.

Sure it is.

What do the Postal Regulations say about it?

Since you're the "expert" Brain, why don't you tell us?

Free clue: Be sure to refer to the pre-9/11 / Patriot Act postal
regulations.

My PO Boxes were all pre-9/11 Patriot Act. Thanks for the distractor.

The government can be defrauded as well as anyone, and there was no
misunderstanding. It was poor amateur practice.

Says you. But then, you don't count.

Someone counted. Someone counted up your call signs and mailed you a
letter.

It's because the individual incessantly tells others how to live their
ham-lives, then defrauds his friend and the FCC.

Neither the FCC nor my friend were defrauded, despite your repeated
foot-stomping and tantrums to the contrary.

I don't think he's your friend anymore, or at least he's not defending
you. But now you have Jim.

The FCC? Riley takes care of that business like he took care of you.