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On 23 Feb 2007 09:35:05 -0800, wrote:

There's no such thing as "Presidents Day"

http://www.snopes.com/holidays/presi...presidents.asp

On Feb 19, 11:37 pm, "
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Oh, my, some SPITE was carried over to homebrew on
Presidents Day just because "CW" was discussed. I am
bringing it back to policy where it should go until
the moderated newsgroup is open.


It's on my calendar. Did you look at yours?
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Old February 23rd 07, 10:29 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy
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From: Dave Heil on Fri, Feb 23 2007 4:44 am

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From: Dave Heil on Thu, 22 Feb


PERSON J MAKES ANOTHER FACTUAL ERROR...


WHO is "person J," red-hatted one?


Oh, you've mistaken me for Brian.


Tsk, tsk, there is only ONE red-hatted-morse-monkey. It is YOU.


Feel free to address the Appelate Court of Internet Appeals,
file a Notice of Intent to Sue.


[Sue is the clerk of the court...]


Maybe you didn't understand my statements.


Oh, they are prefectly CLEAR, humorless pedantic prussian.

You have only ONE "intent" in your postings "to" me...
that of attempting to assassinate my personal character
any way you can. No sweat to me. Others have attempted
that...and FAILED, just like you are FAILING.


You're the old organ grinder.


I'm not a musician. Don't even play one on TV.

AFTRA, the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists,
does not require "organ grinding" as a membership skill.

Brian is your little red-hatted monkey.


No. FACTUAL ERROR. Brian Burke, N0IMD, is a husband, father,
USAF veteran and very much his own person. That we think
similarly on many subjects is because we share those
similarities with thousands of others who do not post in
here regularly. We do have differences of opinion on many
things without incurring any rancor or visible displeasure
expressed one to the other.

You insist on making caricatures of those who disagree with
you...on the slightest provocation. That is part of YOUR
behavior pattern that has been visible in this newsgroup
since the first person disagreed with you. [actually,
several persons...I was not the first]

One problem for caricaturists is that they bitterly resent
being used as a subject for such caricatures. You are one
such.


In fact, you're the fellow who likes using the Germanic lingo and who
keeps Godwin's name alive in this newsgroup.


Not "Germanic lingo," simply old German Army terms. "Heil"
is a salute-greeting in the German language. You desire
respect-admiration all the time, then bitterly object when
you cannot recognize someone saluting you. Do you think
ALL salute you with a single finger?

I do not worship 'godwin,' only GOD of the Judeo-Christian
faith. Try tolerating ecuminism once in a while...it will
not hurt you.


I will continue, as I've done before, of laughing my
head off at the FACTUAL ERROR-FILLED "profiles" your
organ grinder cranked out. :-)


Organ grinder: You
Little red-hatted monkey: Brian


FACTUAL ERROR.

I don't think you find the very accurate N2EY profile of your actions to
be humorous, Len.


It isn't even 'humerous' nor does it break my bones.

The "N2EY profile" is just an example of a common, one-sided,
self-righteous olde-tymer amateur morseman who desperately
desires to be some kind of 'chieftan' in a newsgroup yet has
NO qualifications nor anything but layman's quaint ideas of
basic psychology. His "profile" is nothing more than a
disguised personal character assassination statement. Not
rare in this newsgroup, only worded so as to APPEAR civil
and "informed."

I'll be able to use Morse, FM, SSB, AM, RTTY and other digital modes on
the amateur radio bands today, on Friday and at any time after that
date.


Wonderful...who was STOPPING you before?


Nothing at all stopped me before. Nothing will stop me afterward.


The FCC and some Federal Marshals can...if you continue
to operate illegally.

The "stopper" exists.



"On the bands?" No, you should have written "IN" the bands.


Tsk, tsk, factual English Error!


I made no error, Len. I frequently ask my friend John, "what's on the
bands?" I might ask, "what's on TV?" If I asked, "what's in TV?", that
wouldn't be the same question.


You have a friend who is a john? Most unusual fetish...

I can get ON any radio. I can't get INTO them except for
very large ones such as the Channel 13 transmitter up on
Mount Wilson (serving the LA area). I have literally and
physically stepped INTO that transmitter to examine its
aural-visual diplexer.

But, you say you can get INTO "the bands." That requires
a physical transformation that is unknown to modern science.
Perhaps you wish to share this unique paranormal ability
with the rest of us normals? Is it like an "out of body
experience?"


The AAA 500 is on at the California Speedway in Fontana on
Sunday...one example.


Is that a plan or an event?


Both. Obviously you are unaquainted with NASCAR. There's
no requirement that anyone in here be familiar with auto
racing. NASCAR drivers and crew are able to use two-way
radios before, during, and after a race, all without having
to take any amateur radio license tests. They don't even
have to know morse code!

Step away from working Frenchmen out of band on 6 meters
and imagine you are driving 180+ MPH on any big track such
as Daytona or Talladega...AND using "CW" to communicate
with the pits. Do you think you could finish one short
transmission on "CW" during any straight-away section of
the track? Avoiding crashes all the way, of course. :-)


I wrote "make-believe", Len. I know you aren't a real radio amateur.


Amazing! After all these years Heil FINALLY realizes that!

Well, you are still in "make-believe" in here thinking
you can CONTROL and order-around anyone you wish. I doubt
that will ever go away. :-)


THEY are always telling everyone what they should think!


Yes, you do.


FACTUAL ERROR.

Advocacy of consideration for others and their differing
opinions is in regards to DISCUSSION behavior. There is
NO REQUIREMENT that all be of like mind ("hive mind"
intellectual clone-coupling of thoughts) such as obeying
ALL that the League has said-dictated about amateur radio
activity in the United States.


Let's examine that idea: You believe that it bothers me that you won't
be a part of amateur radio?


Irrelevant. What you continue to think is predictable based
on previous archived behavior in here. That behavior is
indicated by the usual denigration of personal character of
anyone disagreeing with you about any subject. QED.

You seem to be adamant about your undemonstrated prescient
abilities. You can no more predict the future with any
accuracy than some back-of-the-newspaper "astrologer." :-)


Help? I may drink a toast!


One can only "drink" toast if it has been dissolved in
some liquid. I prefer mine chewed, fresh from the
toaster with margarine, perhaps with some marmalade.
Others mileage may vary.


Jim's name isn't Leonard H. Anderson. My name isn't Leonard H. Anderson.


That's good. I'm glad you have settled your duo's
character-identity crises! :-)


Were you aware that this newsgroup is about amateur radio? Did you know
that I'd be in a different radio newsgroup if I were interested in
discussion other users of the radio spectrum?


You are unstoppable! :-)


It'd be my guess that you've got the rustiest organ here, Len.


Tsk, my heart, lungs, liver, kidneys, pancreas, and
general genitalia are in working order. That's according
to a licensed, certified, experienced medical doctor.

He tells me that humans can't "rust." Not even if they
take too many iron pills. [a little 'medical humor' there]

My medical doctor doesn't know morse code, hasn't been
tested for that. No doubt you object to that and consider
him "unqualified!" :-)


You're irrelevant to amateur radio.


So you keep saying!


I surely do. I write it because it happens to be true.


Tsk, FACTUAL ERROR.

That YOU imagine something and express an opinion about that
imagining is NOT "truth." That is the "Robeson ploy" and
behavior pattern. Have you joined your local CAP group?
Had your picture on www.qrz.com wearing a worn flight suit?


You can expound on your
past working years, describe your northern and southern homes, tell
folks about your car and prescribe sage advice about horizontally
mounted loops, shielded with Reynolds Wrap (coaxial cable must have been
in short supply).


I can? Oh, my, you said at the beginning that I COULDN'T!


No, I don't believe I did.


Your belief system needs an over-haul. That you IMAGINE
something is not related to actual, observable-by-others
behavior.

There are places where you shouldn't.


I "shouldn't?" Are you one of the usual advocates of
elimination of the First Amendment of the US Constitution?
You must be. You are no longer in government employ and
therefore have NO official status to tell others what to
do and not do.

Why are you so afraid of Free Speech?



Okay, I understand that your problem was that you didn't know much about
shielded loops.

You could have easily made the loop from coaxial cable. All you'd have
needed to do was leave about a one-inch gap in the shield. A single
turn "sense" loop may or may not be placed inside the windings of the
shielded loop.


Tsk, your theory of voltage induction of an electromagnetic
LONG wavelength to a physically SMALL loop is FAULTY.

The induced RF voltage amplitude is dependent on the NUMBER
OF TURNS in the loop. Hello? That's very basic data. The
electrostatic shield was NOT any absolute necessity but
serves to reduce transients induced from nearby wideband
RFI impulses; i.e., it helps the signal-to-noise ratio.

Example: Of two radio clocks in this southern house, both
have "antennas" similar to an AM BC band receiver "loopstick."
[ferrite-core solenoidal coil, resonant with a fixed
capacity at 60 KHz] Neither one has a shielded "antenna,"
yet all operate very well, correcting their time after
midnight each 24-hour period according to received NIST
data.

You have failed to grasp the INTENT of my 60 KHz loop and
receiver: To lock onto the CARRIER frequency of WWVB and
to maintain that phase lock stably, despite external
transients common in households. Note: The carrier
frequency stability is given at the NIST time-frequency
pages on the 'web and it is to "atomic" references.

As the loop is a loss antenna, it is very likely that a
preamp would have been needed.


NO KIDDING?!? :-)

Tsk, you've not presented any factual data, calculations
or measured, to support your theory, let alone provided
anything in the way of guesses as to induced RF power
in your 160m loop from any known emitter power level
and distance.

I have a two-turn 5 foot diameter
version mounted about a foot off the ground. It is resonant at 1.850
MHz.


...which has a wavelength about 1/31st that of 60 KHz.

With a preamp it does a good job of minimizing local noise.


Must be one of those MAGIC preamplifiers that can
automatically discriminate between desired and non-
desired signals! I've seen such claims before and
have never seen it proven. :-)

Tsk, tsk, to provide the better signal-to-noise ratio
in a receiving loop antenna, several steps are necessary
in the real world. In order of importance:
1. Increase the loop plane area as much as practical.
2. Increase the number of conductor turns in the loop.*
3. Mount the loop plane vertically to reduce omni-
directional wideband transient impulse pickup,
plane in the direction of distant emitter ("edge-
on").
4. Resonate the loop inductance at the carrier
frequency to minimize adjacent-frequency response.
5. Add electrostatic shielding to reduce omni-
directional transient/wideband impulse response.

* Increasing the number of turns also increases the
loop inductance. That inductance will dictate the
resonating capacitance of item (5). Increasing the
number of turns will increase the series resistance
of the total conducting material which, in turn,
will decrease the resonant Q and adjacent-frequency
response. That is a compromise situation which is
dictated by the application and site.

It is
not as good at providing readable copy as a 565 foot long terminated
beverage without a preamp.


How do you terminate your beverages? Using a cork or
conventional bottle cap? Or do you drink all of it at
once? Do you do that when "drinking toast?"

Can you provide "readable copy" of anything after all
that beveraging? Do you know your state's DUI regulation
blood alcohol levels?

Is an amateur radio licensee residence REQUIRED to have
a 565-foot length of their property? What will they do
when and if amateur bands are allocated below 550 KHz?

At no time was the use of any Reynolds Wrap required.


You express antipathy about aluminum foil. Why? Are
you still an amateur at cooking food? Have you analyzed
the monetary difference between "kitchen" foil and
coaxial cable? Or haven't you been following advice
over on Jack Stone's Antennex web site?

Oh, yes, you once passed a 20-WPM code test for your
amateur radio license, became an amateur extra, and are
now the ne-plus-ultra EXPERT on ALL RADIO-ELECTRONICS
THEORY! Yes, that must be your "qualifications." :-)

You may be "over-qualified?" In your mind at least. :-)



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