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On Mar 4, 10:09 am, "Dee Flint" wrote:

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All of amateur radio is fine for the casual operator.


Ok then, let's do the same as some typical European countries. Only one
license class and every one takes the equivalent of the Extra class written
exam. Prior to the no code change, they did not have entry level licenses.
All licenses took the same written (basically equivalent to our Extra
written) and those who passed code got everything while those who didn't
were VHF/UHF only. When the code was dropped, they folded the two groups
into one. No need to haul out the many variations that existed. While some
countries did have an entry license with a simpler written there were others
who didn't. In some countries, you had to take formal classes and you were
not allowed to take the test if you had just studied on your own.

Dee, N8UZE

On Mar 4, 11:51 am, "Dee Flint" wrote:
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On Mar 4, 10:09 am, "Dee Flint" wrote:

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All of amateur radio is fine for the casual operator.

Ok then, let's do the same as some typical European countries. Only one
license class and every one takes the equivalent of the Extra class written
exam. Prior to the no code change, they did not have entry level licenses.
All licenses took the same written (basically equivalent to our Extra
written) and those who passed code got everything while those who didn't
were VHF/UHF only. When the code was dropped, they folded the two groups
into one. No need to haul out the many variations that existed. While some
countries did have an entry license with a simpler written there were others
who didn't. In some countries, you had to take formal classes and you were
not allowed to take the test if you had just studied on your own.

Dee, N8UZE

So when the European countries were dropping the code you didn't want
to be like the European countries. But now you want to be like the
European countries? Dee, make up your mind.

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On Mar 4, 11:51 am, "Dee Flint" wrote:
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On Mar 4, 10:09 am, "Dee Flint" wrote:

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All of amateur radio is fine for the casual operator.

Ok then, let's do the same as some typical European countries. Only one
license class and every one takes the equivalent of the Extra class
written
exam. Prior to the no code change, they did not have entry level
licenses.
All licenses took the same written (basically equivalent to our Extra
written) and those who passed code got everything while those who didn't
were VHF/UHF only. When the code was dropped, they folded the two groups
into one. No need to haul out the many variations that existed. While
some
countries did have an entry license with a simpler written there were
others
who didn't. In some countries, you had to take formal classes and you
were
not allowed to take the test if you had just studied on your own.

Dee, N8UZE

So when the European countries were dropping the code you didn't want
to be like the European countries. But now you want to be like the
European countries? Dee, make up your mind.


You read into conclusions that are not there. I did not say anything about
wanting to be like the European countries. I was pointing out the fallacy
of trying to make our system match the European approach. If you get your
wish of a single license class, the FCC may choose to go that route. It's
more of a cautionary note, the "be careful what you wish for sort of thing."

Personally I think two or three license classes is appropriate and have
thought so since I became involved in amateur radio.

Dee, N8UZE

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On Mar 4, 11:51 am, "Dee Flint" wrote:
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On Mar 4, 10:09 am, "Dee Flint" wrote:

[snip]

All of amateur radio is fine for the casual operator.

Ok then, let's do the same as some typical European countries. Only one
license class and every one takes the equivalent of the Extra class
written
exam. Prior to the no code change, they did not have entry level
licenses.
All licenses took the same written (basically equivalent to our Extra
written) and those who passed code got everything while those who didn't
were VHF/UHF only. When the code was dropped, they folded the two groups
into one. No need to haul out the many variations that existed. While
some
countries did have an entry license with a simpler written there were
others
who didn't. In some countries, you had to take formal classes and you
were
not allowed to take the test if you had just studied on your own.

Dee, N8UZE

So when the European countries were dropping the code you didn't want
to be like the European countries. But now you want to be like the
European countries? Dee, make up your mind.

You read into conclusions that are not there. I did not say anything about
wanting to be like the European countries. I was pointing out the fallacy
of trying to make our system match the European approach.

A fallacy? I guess we can forget about CEPT.

If you get your
wish of a single license class, the FCC may choose to go that route. It's
more of a cautionary note, the "be careful what you wish for sort of thing."

True enough. Hillary wished for a Palistinian Homeland. I hope she's
happy there.

Personally I think two or three license classes is appropriate and have
thought so since I became involved in amateur radio.

Dee, N8UZE

I think one or two would be appropriate.

Dee Flint wrote:
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On Mar 4, 10:09 am, "Dee Flint" wrote:

[snip]

All of amateur radio is fine for the casual operator.


Ok then, let's do the same as some typical European countries. Only one
license class and every one takes the equivalent of the Extra class written
exam. Prior to the no code change, they did not have entry level licenses.
All licenses took the same written (basically equivalent to our Extra
written) and those who passed code got everything while those who didn't
were VHF/UHF only. When the code was dropped, they folded the two groups
into one. No need to haul out the many variations that existed. While some
countries did have an entry license with a simpler written there were others
who didn't. In some countries, you had to take formal classes and you were
not allowed to take the test if you had just studied on your own.

Dee, N8UZE

Dee
Are you saying you see that last as a positive thing? It would
certainly be good for the technical education industry but does that
make it a good thing for amateur radio.

If a formal course were a requirement then I imagine that it would be
easier to find one. I'd love to find a formal class for the extra class
material. I'd even be happy with a referral to a respectable
correspondence or on line course. Anyone have any suggestions along
those lines.
--
Tom Horne, KB3OPR/AG

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Dee Flint wrote:
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On Mar 4, 10:09 am, "Dee Flint" wrote:

[snip]

All of amateur radio is fine for the casual operator.


Ok then, let's do the same as some typical European countries. Only one
license class and every one takes the equivalent of the Extra class
written exam. Prior to the no code change, they did not have entry level
licenses. All licenses took the same written (basically equivalent to our
Extra written) and those who passed code got everything while those who
didn't were VHF/UHF only. When the code was dropped, they folded the two
groups into one. No need to haul out the many variations that existed.
While some countries did have an entry license with a simpler written
there were others who didn't. In some countries, you had to take formal
classes and you were not allowed to take the test if you had just studied
on your own.

Dee, N8UZE

Dee
Are you saying you see that last as a positive thing? It would certainly
be good for the technical education industry but does that make it a good
thing for amateur radio.

If a formal course were a requirement then I imagine that it would be
easier to find one. I'd love to find a formal class for the extra class
material. I'd even be happy with a referral to a respectable
correspondence or on line course. Anyone have any suggestions along those
lines.

The European approach with one "extra" license class and compulsory
classroom training is not such a bad idea for people who operate on HF. Can
you imagine that we are now allowing kb9rqz to operate a linear amp whose
plate voltage might be /= 3KV? Do you think kb9rqz is technically qualified
to open an AL80-B and change the 3-500Z tube? What if he forgets (or doesn't
know to) bleed the the DC bulk caps or even forgets to unplug it? When he
electrocutes himself we will have the dumbed-down general license exam to
blame. Perhaps linear amp usage should be restricted to extra class, or, we
should apply the above stated European approach.

"Stefan Wolfe" wrote:

When he electrocutes himself we will have the dumbed-down general license
exam to blame.

Message volume in this newsgroup would drop by 99%.

So, is that a 'bad thing'?

On Mar 5, 7:06 pm, "KH6HZ" wrote:
"Stefan Wolfe" wrote:
When he electrocutes himself we will have the dumbed-down general license
exam to blame.

Message volume in this newsgroup would drop by 99%.

So, is that a 'bad thing'?

Exactly why did you return to RRAP?

On Mar 7, 9:45 pm, wrote:
On Mar 5, 7:06 pm, "KH6HZ" wrote:

"Stefan Wolfe" wrote:
When he electrocutes himself we will have the dumbed-down general license
exam to blame.

Message volume in this newsgroup would drop by 99%.

So, is that a 'bad thing'?

Exactly why did you return to RRAP?

to help his buddy Robeson?

On Mar 7, 8:32?pm, "an_old_friend" wrote:
On Mar 7, 9:45 pm, wrote:

On Mar 5, 7:06 pm, "KH6HZ" wrote:

"Stefan Wolfe" wrote:
When he electrocutes himself we will have the dumbed-down general license
exam to blame.

Message volume in this newsgroup would drop by 99%.

So, is that a 'bad thing'?

Exactly why did you return to RRAP?

to help his buddy Robeson?

Sounds like a winner opinion, Mark! :-)

"Frauds of a feather stick together..."

73, AF6AY