"Dave Heil" wrote:

In ONE EXAM SESSION.

...but not "right out of the box."

Let's cut Windy some slack.

Had he waited any longer to take those examinations, the "box" he was
referring to might have been a coffin!

AF6AY wrote:
On Apr 12, 3:27�am, wrote:
On Apr 11, 12:27 am, Dave Heil wrote:

AF6AY wrote:
Subject: What Revolution?
� �His USAF MOS (Military
� �Occupation Specialty). �Was it ever mentioned by him?
It can't have been mentioned by me. �I'd have pointed out that the Air
Force doesn't use the term "MOS". �It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force
Specialty Code.
Dave, you appear to be reasonably intelligent, so why do you trip and
fall over such things? �"MOS" or Military Occupational Specialty is
the US Army equivalent of the AFSC.

Dave, what was your AFSC?

Brian, don't expect an answer...:-)

That's good advice, Len. :-)

Heil isn't going to tell anyone directly. He will cloud his
"answer" in generalized, ambiguous terms without being
specific.

There's no cloud. I've told you straight out: You aren't getting the
information from me.

Heil wants to argue for the sake of arguing, always with
the intention of putting down those he perceives are his
newsgroup "enemies."

I'm not arguing the issue with you, Len. I'm not providing you the
information. It is available elsewhere on the web. Check it out or don't.

I have yet to meet a veteran of military service who does
not recall his unit, where he was, what he did.

I had one unit in Basic Training. I had another during a two-year U.S.
assignment. I had a third in Vietnam. My fourth unit was a U.S. tour
after Vietnam. I recall them all. I recall where I was. I recall what
I did. What I haven't done is share the information with you. Now what?

I have
also met a few who wish to cloud the issue with non-
specific generalities in order to refuse to admit what their
military jobs were...because they wished to elevate
themselves as doing more than they actually did.

I have not elevated myself as doing more than I actually did. I haven't
told you what I did.

I've encountered a few civilians in electronics who do the
same thing about their civilian jobs. They want to be
"more important sounding" to those around them, raise
themselves by some mythical bootstraps to be Very
Important.

If they are mythical bootstraps, that can't be a very effective technique.

Those won't give specifics, claiming some
kind of "proprietary information they cannot reveal" or
for some fear "of being made fun of" by naming details.

As an alternative, they've seen your insulting behavior toward others
and have decided that they have no need to fuel you.

We wind up walking into a dense haze of pipe-dream
smoke generated by those folks, unable to see what
they actually did...which is the way they want it.

You never get the big picture, Len. I've seen what I did in the
military. You haven't seen it. *That* is the way I want it.

They
like to cloud issues because that is the first step in
trying to sell themselves as something better than They
are.

Let's test that theory. I've told you relatively nothing about what I
did in Vietnam. According to you, I'd have to be peddling a different
story about my duties in Vietnam in order to elevate myself. That
didn't happen. I haven't told you anything.

All that smoke is bad for them...

There's been no smoke--and there's been no information.

...and not too swift
for us, either.

You don't appear to be very swift.

Heil was "in a country at war." Wow!

That's how you work it. You know that I was in the Air Force in
Vietnam. That's all the information you have to work with. Generate
all the "wow's" you like.

Heil "worked with NASA." Wow!

....not in Vietnam, Len. That only took place in West Africa.

Heil "didn't work with low-power tinker-toy radios." Wow!

That's correct--not at any time in the military. I wrote "low power,
tinker toy radios."

Yawn.

Take a nap if the puzzle has you fatigued.

I was in a country at war without even leaving the country.

I've already told you that I was in the country where the war was going
on. It wasn't like being in Japan during the Korean War with artillery
barrages and threats from yet-to-be-developed Soviet bombers.

True. World War 2, first years of the Korean War, the
Vietnam War, the first Gulf War, the second Gulf War.
No "battles in the boonies" where I lived, no "incoming,"
no "denied territory," no martial law. The United States
was AT WAR. Well, Congress declared (officially) War
directly only about WW2. :-)

That's nice, Len. It wasn't much different than Japan for you then. :-)

I have "worked with NASA" as an employee of companies
that contracted with NASA (two of them, directly). Only
one of them did "rocket science." :-) Literally.
Rocketdyne built, builds, refurbishes the Space Shuttle
Main Engines (SSME) and I've been present at several
engine test firings...instrumented by wired and a few
radio telemetry links.

That's fantastic!

I have yet to see a "tinker-toy" radio in any form. Since
Tinker Toys were - in my childhood - all wood, therefore
quite good insulating material. I haven't heard of any
new state-of-the-art "non-conductor" electronics. Maybe
Lego will come up with metalized plastic Lego blocks?

....and I have no doubt that when someone describes an object as "Mickey
Mouse", you're busy looking for Mr. Disney.

At least none of my "towers" were damaged by any
wind storm...that includes some TV yagis circa 1949
in northern Illinois and my pole-mounted discone of
2007 in southern California (that wind storm damaged
my 35-year old garage door opener which required
replacing). Discone survived nicely, all precautions
for proper wind-loading foreseen...without guy wires.

That's a relief, Len. I was concerned for your towers and antennas.
What size tower have you installed at the Los Angeles home? Have you
put up a sizable yagi or are you a cubical quad man?

The tower which failed here was made out your way. It didn't meet its
published specs. The winds which rake this exposed hilltop are likely
higher than those encountered in a place like yours, a low spot
surrounded by hills.

I have another tower and yagi ready to be installed later this month. It
won't be a California-made, crank up model. It'll be another Rohn 25
with guys at two levels. My seventy-footer of the same tower has
withstood all storms encountered here, even with a 40m beam and other
antennas mounted on it. If you're worried about high winds, perhaps
Roger Wiseman can recommend a wire multiband antenna with great
performance, even when mounted relatively low to the ground. It might
even be a better antenna for earthquake country.

Dave K8MN

AF6AY wrote:
On Apr 11, 3:33�pm, wrote:
On 11 Apr 2007 16:20:45 -0700, "AF6AY" wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:27:14 GMT
AF6AY wrote:
From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700
On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical
Words and their meanings are important, Len. �Hot-ham-and-cheese wrote
"according to Heil..." except that it wasn't according to me at all.
� Somebody else writes your posts here?
would n't that be an improvement in most cases

WE will never know, Mark. :-)

What a surprise! I have responses from a guy who plays fast and loose
with the meanings of words and another who writes gibberish.


I surely did, Len, but not 24/7. �I maxed out at ten hours per day, six
days per week.
� Poor baby. �Was the service rough on you?
� In the US Army all are soldiers...those not on authorized leave
� are ON DUTY 24/7.
yep and likely to be wgo from sleeping to work in a mater of seconds

True, but veteran battle-hardened, "I was in a country AT war" Heil
won't comment on that.

You're starting to get it!

He "maxed-out" on only 10 hours per
day, poor baby. I once worked 34 hours at a stretch on an
emergency (military) transmitter repair, breaks only for meals
and nature calls.

....but you've never worked 24-hours per day, seven days per week.

I've worked 16 to 18 hours at a stretch in
civilian jobs, fortunately not often.

....but you've never worked 24-hours per day, seven days per week.



Heil won't say what his "AFSC" was "a country at war." He
probably is too "maxed out" to admit it? :-)

Like my DD-214 and copies of my military orders, my AFSC (not MOS) was
never any of your concern. I can tell you that my AFSC was not "a
country at war." :-) :-)

Dave K8MN

KH6HZ wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote:

In ONE EXAM SESSION.
...but not "right out of the box."

Let's cut Windy some slack.

Had he waited any longer to take those examinations, the "box" he was
referring to might have been a coffin!

He's not coming "out of the box" or "right out of the box" in that case.

Dave K8MN

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On Apr 11, 12:27 am, Dave Heil wrote:
AF6AY wrote:

Subject: What Revolution?

His USAF MOS (Military
Occupation Specialty). Was it ever mentioned by him?

It can't have been mentioned by me. I'd have pointed out that the Air
Force doesn't use the term "MOS". It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force
Specialty Code.

Dave, you appear to be reasonably intelligent, so why do you trip and
fall over such things? "MOS" or Military Occupational Specialty is
the US Army equivalent of the AFSC.

Dave, what was your AFSC?

Nah! Ya don't spose' he was a "drafted" Lt. Colonel like Morkie?

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On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:54:42 -0400, "KH6HZ" wrote:

"Dave Heil" wrote:

In ONE EXAM SESSION.

...but not "right out of the box."

Let's cut Windy some slack.

Had he waited any longer to take those examinations, the "box" he was
referring to might have been a coffin!

realy I guess you are a dumb as you sound MD

Thank God he's not as dumb as YOU sound, Morkins.

--
I don't want to poison any NG please stop lying about me

On Apr 11, 8:37 pm, wrote:
On Apr 10, 7:59 am, wrote:





On Apr 9, 1:17 pm, Dave Heil wrote:

wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical
warm, wonderful "welcome" message of:
Well, Len, you're just reaping what you've sown.
Jim, when life appears to be treating you unfairly, it isn't. You just
reap what you sow.
I wish you guys would start choosing your words more carefully. You'll
have Mark accusing both of you of promoting *reap*.

Ha! Dave makes a funny about Robesin's accusations of rape.

No, Brian, I made no reference to anyone called "Robesin", nor did I
mention the word "rape".

Right. Kindly explain what you did mean.

Great subject to joke about.

The joke was not about rape. The joke was about one of the great
manglers of language, a person who is a perpetual "victum".

Dave K8MN

*reap*

Please do a word scramble and provide all possible words other than
RAPE which you were referring to. Thanks.

Hey, Dave. What word did you think Mark might have scrambled???

Yo Dave, why can't you tell me what you really meant? ...so
Robesinesque!

On Apr 12, 2:53 pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Apr 12, 3:27?am, wrote:
On Apr 11, 12:27 am, Dave Heil wrote:

AF6AY wrote:

Subject: What Revolution?
? ?His USAF MOS (Military
? ?Occupation Specialty). ?Was it ever mentioned by him?

It can't have been mentioned by me. ?I'd have pointed out that the Air
Force doesn't use the term "MOS". ?It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force
Specialty Code.

Dave, you appear to be reasonably intelligent, so why do you trip and
fall over such things? ?"MOS" or Military Occupational Specialty is
the US Army equivalent of the AFSC.

Dave, what was your AFSC?

Brian, don't expect an answer...:-)

I'm still trying to get him to answer what he meant by his *reap*
remark. My meaning was pefectly clear, but he pulled a Robesin, made
a funny about something despicable, now he won't respond.

Heil isn't going to tell anyone directly. He will cloud his
"answer" in generalized, ambiguous terms without being
specific.

Yup.

Heil wants to argue for the sake of arguing, always with
the intention of putting down those he perceives are his
newsgroup "enemies."

Yup.

I have yet to meet a veteran of military service who does
not recall his unit, where he was, what he did. I have
also met a few who wish to cloud the issue with non-
specific generalities in order to refuse to admit what their
military jobs were...because they wished to elevate
themselves as doing more than they actually did.

Engaged in seven (7) hostile actions and stolen valor?

I've encountered a few civilians in electronics who do the
same thing about their civilian jobs. They want to be
"more important sounding" to those around them, raise
themselves by some mythical bootstraps to be Very
Important. Those won't give specifics, claiming some
kind of "proprietary information they cannot reveal" or
for some fear "of being made fun of" by naming details.

We wind up walking into a dense haze of pipe-dream
smoke generated by those folks, unable to see what
they actually did...which is the way they want it. They
like to cloud issues because that is the first step in
trying to sell themselves as something better than They
are. All that smoke is bad for them...and not too swift
for us, either.

Second-hand smoke is being outlawed everywhere.

Heil was "in a country at war." Wow!
Heil "worked with NASA." Wow!
Heil "didn't work with low-power tinker-toy radios." Wow!

Yawn.

I'm so proud of him.

I was in a country at war without even leaving the country.
True. World War 2, first years of the Korean War, the
Vietnam War, the first Gulf War, the second Gulf War.

Dominican Republic, Grenada, Somalia, Haiti, Panama...

No "battles in the boonies" where I lived, no "incoming,"
no "denied territory," no martial law. The United States
was AT WAR. Well, Congress declared (officially) War
directly only about WW2. :-)

What? About two years after Churchill begged them? I'm so proud.

I have "worked with NASA" as an employee of companies
that contracted with NASA (two of them, directly).

NASA engineers came to us... remote sensing.

Only
one of them did "rocket science." :-) Literally.
Rocketdyne built, builds, refurbishes the Space Shuttle
Main Engines (SSME) and I've been present at several
engine test firings...instrumented by wired and a few
radio telemetry links.

I'd love to watch a shuttle launch.

I have yet to see a "tinker-toy" radio in any form.

There are some kid electronics kits that are "LEGO" like. Expensive,
but modular. Looks cool.

Since
Tinker Toys were - in my childhood - all wood, therefore
quite good insulating material. I haven't heard of any
new state-of-the-art "non-conductor" electronics. Maybe
Lego will come up with metalized plastic Lego blocks?

Dejavu all over again!

At least none of my "towers" were damaged by any
wind storm...that includes some TV yagis circa 1949
in northern Illinois and my pole-mounted discone of
2007 in southern California (that wind storm damaged
my 35-year old garage door opener which required
replacing). Discone survived nicely, all precautions
for proper wind-loading foreseen...without guy wires.

73, Len AF6AY

Welp, Dave won't talk about his directional loops anymore... must have
come down with his tower.

On Apr 12, 6:09 pm, "AccountsPayable" anon@anon wrote:
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On Apr 11, 12:27 am, Dave Heil wrote:
AF6AY wrote:

Subject: What Revolution?

His USAF MOS (Military
Occupation Specialty). Was it ever mentioned by him?

It can't have been mentioned by me. I'd have pointed out that the Air
Force doesn't use the term "MOS". It uses the term "AFSC" for Air Force
Specialty Code.

Dave, you appear to be reasonably intelligent, so why do you trip and
fall over such things? "MOS" or Military Occupational Specialty is
the US Army equivalent of the AFSC.

Dave, what was your AFSC?

Nah! Ya don't spose' he was a "drafted" Lt. Colonel like Morkie?-

The US Army drafted people. The US Air Force didn't.

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On Apr 11, 12:27 am, Dave Heil wrote:
AF6AY wrote:

Subject: What Revolution?

His USAF MOS (Military
Occupation Specialty). Was it ever mentioned by him?

It can't have been mentioned by me. I'd have pointed out that the
Air
Force doesn't use the term "MOS". It uses the term "AFSC" for Air
Force
Specialty Code.

Dave, you appear to be reasonably intelligent, so why do you trip and
fall over such things? "MOS" or Military Occupational Specialty is
the US Army equivalent of the AFSC.

Dave, what was your AFSC?

Nah! Ya don't spose' he was a "drafted" Lt. Colonel like Morkie?-

The US Army drafted people. The US Air Force didn't.

Makes little difference. The group Myna bird wasn't an officer, either.