From: on 17 Apr 2007 18:10:22 -0700

Subject: What Revolution?

On Apr 17, 8:14 pm, wrote:
On Apr 14, 8:15?pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 14, 3:36?am, "Dudley" doodoo@wrong wrote:


Len appears to presume that anyone who has
done something honorable will tell all about it in
a public forum like this. He also appears to presume
that failure to do so means the person has something
to hide.
Then again, if someone who has done something
honorable does tell about
it in this forum, Len will belittle him or call him a liar.

Only if that person expresses disagreement with any
of Len's statements.

I've often disagreed with Len, yet we don't seem to have the problems
that you describe. Perhaps you're a little thin-skinned.

A LOT thin-skinned. :-)


I've often disagreed with Len, yet we don't seem to have the problems
that you describe. Perhaps you're a little thin-skinned.

Jimmie Noserve has a personality conflict with me because
I am an "atheist" to the religion of morse...or perhaps
I allow myself to change my mind like other human beings.

There is also the fact that if someone is on Len's
enemies list, what they have done makes no
difference in how Len will treat them.

Sure it does. For example, if someone is always correcting others,
even when wearing the "cloak of well-meaningness," Len is not deceived
and responds appropriately.

Brian, these creatures just aren't acquainted with the Nature
of the computer-modem beast. They are new to the jungle and
resent not being accepted as a Tarzan. :-)

They be Cheetah. Ook, ook.

He will use
his attack techniques on them regardless of, say,
their actual military/combat experience.

Precisely!

So there's no point in giving any information.

So if by military service an asshole were to be given a pass, what
would you say about that?

Jimmie Noserve knows not about "assholes" nor military service.
He's never served. He might have gone to a lot of movies and
seen war films, though...

On the other hand, why would some panty-waist claim that they've
served in other ways?

Good question!


Only if that person expresses disagreement with any
of Len's statements.

Len and I have had disagreements, Len has no professional experience
in meteorology, yet we don't seem to have the problems that you two
seem to have. Perhaps the both of you have thin skins...

I'd say NO skin. All hyper-sensitive nerve endings. :-)


I can think of many areas where my experience
exceeds that of Len Anderson.

I can't.

I can. Morsemanship.

Jimmie REALLY did his thing on that, "serving the nation in
other ways."


Most of those areas
have nothing to do with Morse Code or amateur radio.

Kindly list them.

Brian, don't hold your breath waiting for an answer on THAT! :-)



Think of it as a living document, like the Constitution. Refined
and revised, but essentially the same over time.

Hardly.

Indeed! Jimmie Noserve must have "served his own constitution"
by making up "profiles."

Maybe he swore under oath to serve the "constitution" of his
fantasy world?



We do not know how he behaves away from Usenet.

Why not try coaxing him on the air during a thunderstorm like you did
Cecil???

Well...not many thunderstorms happen here in southern
California.

Why does Jimmie think I'd be using OOK CW? :-)


Which reminds me that I have had QSOs on the amateur
bands with at least 10 hams who have also posted to RRAP.
Len, otoh....

Len would be wise to steer away from you two.

Er, I've never traveled steerage. Never herded any steers.

I've steered automobiles successfully for 56 years...even
in eastern Pennsylvania! :-)


At least when Len gets his point across, there's no fake cloak of well-
meaningness. That's a far more honorable way of conducting oneself
than your example.

Tsk, I never went to a parochial school. From what I've heard
about them, I wouldn't want to be "taught" by Sister Nun of
the Above, either. :-)


Yet there is no shame in being a beginner, novice, neophyte,
greenhorn, tyro, wet-behind-the-ears newcomer. But for some
reason Len takes offense at those words.

Then why do you try so hard to make it so?

Jimmie must think that "amateur radio" operates ENTIRELY
DIFFERENT and with DIFFERENT LAWS OF PHYSICS than all
other radio. Perhaps he also thinks that "amateur radio"
procedures and protocol are SO COMPLEX AND DIFFERENT than
all other radio services?

Now, if he has bought into that fantasy, then, of course,
he would be "right" in laying into "newbies" about them
being "beginners, novices, neophytes, greenhorns, tyros,
wet-behind-the-ears newcomers!" Jimmie loves the fantasy
role-playing of being a ruff and tuff dill sergeant "chewing
out recruits" and "putting them in their place!" :-)

Trouble is, ALL radios work by the SAME laws of physics.
Each radio service has its OWN jargon and procedures.
Jimmie not know this, never having any experience with
anything BUT amateur radio.

Jimmie have experience IN military radio? Absolutely not.
Jimmie have experience IN broadcasting service? He hasn't
admitted it. [has he had experiences with broads? we
don't know that, either]
Jimmie have experience IN aviation radio services, either
on the ground or in the air? He hasn't said so.
Jimmie have experience IN maritime radio services? He
no say that either.
Jimmie have experience IN Private Land Mobile Radio Service?
No, Jimmie not say that.
Jimmie have experience IN radio working with Department of
Defense contracts? Jimmie not admit that.
Jimmie ever use a CB? :-) Probably not, no place to plug
in a code key on those.
Jimmie ever use an FRS HT? He no say.
Jimmie ever use an amateur radio above 30 MHz? He no say
dat (not much Morse up there, some but sparse)
Jimmie ever use a cordless or cell phone? He no say dat.
Jimmie ever use a "keyless entry" transmitter to lock or
unlock his car? Does Jimmie own a car?

Tsk, I've done all the above, all legally. Over the last 55
years. Sometimes using voice, sometimes using data, sometimes
using modulation that isn't allocated or allowed by the FCC
for radio amateurs. No sweat. It's all RADIO of one form or
another.

Ah, but in Jimmieworld, amateur radio is SO DIFFERENT, SO
COMPLEX that one MUST go "through the ranks" from raw,
"duh" level recruit to apprentice, then progress to
journeyman level. Only after YEARS of dilligent hard work
can anyone begin to approach the majesty of his Master
level (naturally by morsemanship).

Jimmie once write that amateur extra is too complex to
reach for me. Poor baby. I took and passed all required
US amateur radio tests to reach Amateur Extra in one test
session. Jimmie very ****ed I do that. I not ask his
majesty's permission first. Tsk, tsk, I so bad...

Jimmie get ****ed I can pay for Icom 746Pro on credit card
without time payment. Poor baby. I work long time to earn
money, put away in accounts, earn interest. I spend and
Jimmie get angry...he no got money put away?



Len is all about rank, class and status - as long as the system
used puts *him* at the top of the list.

"Look what I've done" is a little different than "Look at what tests
I've passed."

Jimmie earn BS and MS degrees at college long time ago.
He be very smart, he say. Jimmie not say how smarts
allow him do things at work or even what work is.


So, Jim, what have you done? In what ways and areas are you more
knowledgeable than Len? Kindly make a list.

Jimmie have MS. That better than BS he speak about Morse.

Jimmie be code-tested Amateur Extra. Very smart, very big on
amateur knowledge, "renowned amateur historian" self-description
for ham history knowledge cribbed from League sources.

I not smart enough for Jimmie's crowd. Not know fast OOK CW,
never do it. Bad, bad, wrong attitude for olde-tyme hamateur
radio, not appreciate Jimmie pioneering radio airwaves while
helping Reggie Fessenden back in ought-six.


There are times when I'd swear that he sees himself as a short story
writer, getting paid by the word.

A PROFESSIONAL short story writer...

All of the stories in "Ham Radio" magazine are short. Kindly list
your published works...

I have sold *NO* fiction to Ham Radio magzine. None to Byte,
none to Microcomputing, none to Call-A.P.P.L.E., none to
ELECTROMICS magazine (that was). All FACT, all articles that
had information that could be duplicated by others, all
compensated by monies duly reported to IRS.

I've sold some fiction to non-electronic, non-radio, non-
computer interest magazines. That doesn't include the fantasy-
oriented radio amateurs in here. :-)



Seems to me that something worth doing is worth doing right.

Heil once said that a person who cannot spell correctly couldn't
lead. Shortly thereafter he made a spelling error which I pointed out
to him.

Now he's running for an ARRL office...

I think that's good. It's a long distance from West Virginia
to Newington, CT. The exercise will help him lose his excess
baggage. Maybe Jimmie can run alongside him and help him
along? :-)


Seems to me that a person should at least adhere to their own
convictions.

Well, I've never been arrested, much less convicted of anything.

I've been TO a couple jails but never locked up in one. :-)

I once squeezed out too much crazy glue and it adhered to three
fingers.

I made a statement seven years ago and Jimmie thought that I'd
made an Oath for Life! Bad me. I thought some folks could take
a turn-of-phrase correctly but Jimmie be a hidebound conservative
Literalist and doesn't EVER accept that folks can change their
minds!

Am I having fun yet? *NOT* in here! :-)

73, Len AF6AY