On Sun, 28 Jun 2003, stewart wrote:
"Phil Kane" wrote in message . com...

Go and learn a little FCC law in the area of FRS and type
certification and then come back and talk to the folks who do
understand the law.

Buzz off. You don't know what you are talking about.

Like you do? Your history of posts (on RRAP) clearly shows that you do not.
Go play with your MURS radios and leave FRS alone.

On Mon, 29 Jun 2003, stewart wrote:
"Dick Carroll;" wrote in message ...
stewart wrote:

"Phil Kane" wrote in message . com...

Go and learn a little FCC law in the area of FRS and type
certification and then come back and talk to the folks who do
understand the law.

Buzz off. You don't know what you are talking about.

Yeah, Phil....don't try to throw reality or legality into The Stew. He's most unaccustomed to all that.

Idiots.

Quit cross-posting about issues that you Morse throwbacks know NOTHING
about. It is bad enough that you morons argue ENDLESSLY trying to
salvage what's left of the archaic Morse regulations... but when your
BS starts to spill over into other groups, your confusing,
narrow-minded negativism is totally unhelpful.... but, I suppose
THAT'S what you folks are ALL ABOUT, right?

Stop obsessing on that which you know nothing of. Anyway, Stewart, you are the
idiot that insisted on posting the FRS/GMRS crap here - even though it is
"Class A CB" and therefore belongs on "rec.radio.cb", and your MURS crap which
has NO appropriate place because we all know it is NOT a legitimate radio
service, but a manufacturer's mistake that the FCC bought into.

Regardless, not everyone here remains in favor of Morse Code. If there were a
"codeless extra" available, then I might have one! That's how little I use
morse code. Unfortunately, my license history ruins that - it shows that I
have at least 13WPM (having held an Advanced class from 1993 to 2000). :-(

Personally, I find it antiquated, but it may come in handy in a "survival
situation" where a canibalized radio is no longer capable of voice comms.

--
Stewart: Your refrigerator is running; better go catch it. All the "cold" may
escape!

On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 01:38:27 GMT, D. Stussy wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jun 2003, stewart wrote:
"Phil Kane" wrote in message . com...

Go and learn a little FCC law in the area of FRS and type
certification and then come back and talk to the folks who do
understand the law.

Buzz off. You don't know what you are talking about.

Like you do? Your history of posts (on RRAP) clearly shows that you do not.
Go play with your MURS radios and leave FRS alone.

Dieter - don't waste your time talking to a jackass who knows
nothing about radio regulatory matters and refuses to learn from
those who do. We're getting nowhere with him - time to break the
link.

30.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

I beleive it's 1/3.7ths of a gallon. The large bottle of pop/soda.



Dan

"Barry OGrady" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:28:30 GMT, "Phil Kane"
wrote:

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:16:02 GMT, D. Stussy wrote:

Although you "actually have no plan to use the GMRS channels at all".
Why
not get the license and make full use of your radio ??? Comes the day
you
may want or need it.

....Maybe he doesn't want to pay $75 every 5 years....

The cost of a large soda at a fast-food place or a 2-liter bottle at
the supermarket once a month......

What's a liter?

I was surprised how much spare change I had in my pocket when I
stopped buying my daily yoghurt or ice cream a while ago. And my
waistline appreciated it, too.....

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane



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"D. Stussy" wrote in message

FCC Licensing Information

Channels 1 thru 14 transmit on FRS frequencies.
Channels 15 thru 22 transmit on GMRS frequencies.
Operation on GMRS frequencies requires a license from the FCC.

Then there is another paragraph that talks about how to get an FCC form 605.

The inference I draw from this is that the manufacturer in this case believes
that NO license is required as long as one transmits only on the FRS channels
and not on the GMRS channels. A license is required only when transmitting on
the 8 GMRS-only channels. [Whether a GMRS license is needed or not with
respect to FRS-only use is the matter being debated by some.]

Has anyone seen anything different in any other radio's manual?

Does the instruction manual say anything about power output on the
shared
FRS/GMRS channels? These are usually 1-7 if the radio conforms to
"1-14 FRS,
15-22 GMRS". If its above 500mW its not legal for FRS use, and must
conform to GMRS regulations. Wacky ain't it?

On 1 Jul 2003 18:00:42 -0700, Ryan wrote:

Does the instruction manual say anything about power output on the
shared FRS/GMRS channels? These are usually 1-7 if the radio conforms
to "1-14 FRS, 15-22 GMRS". If its above 500mW its not legal for FRS
use, and must conform to GMRS regulations. Wacky ain't it?

Not at all. It's very plain. You said it clearly.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

On Wed, 1 Jul 2003, Ryan wrote:
"D. Stussy" wrote in message
FCC Licensing Information

Channels 1 thru 14 transmit on FRS frequencies.
Channels 15 thru 22 transmit on GMRS frequencies.
Operation on GMRS frequencies requires a license from the FCC.

Then there is another paragraph that talks about how to get an FCC form 605.

The inference I draw from this is that the manufacturer in this case believes
that NO license is required as long as one transmits only on the FRS channels
and not on the GMRS channels. A license is required only when transmitting on
the 8 GMRS-only channels. [Whether a GMRS license is needed or not with
respect to FRS-only use is the matter being debated by some.]

Has anyone seen anything different in any other radio's manual?

Does the instruction manual say anything about power output on the
shared
FRS/GMRS channels? These are usually 1-7 if the radio conforms to
"1-14 FRS,
15-22 GMRS". If its above 500mW its not legal for FRS use, and must
conform to GMRS regulations. Wacky ain't it?

In the case of my radio, it's 500mW regardless of service (i.e. even on GMRS,
it's 500mW).

On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Dick Carroll; wrote:
"D. Stussy" wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jul 2003, Ryan wrote:
"D. Stussy" wrote in message
FCC Licensing Information

Channels 1 thru 14 transmit on FRS frequencies.
Channels 15 thru 22 transmit on GMRS frequencies.
Operation on GMRS frequencies requires a license from the FCC.

Then there is another paragraph that talks about how to get an FCC form 605.

The inference I draw from this is that the manufacturer in this case believes
that NO license is required as long as one transmits only on the FRS channels
and not on the GMRS channels. A license is required only when transmitting on
the 8 GMRS-only channels. [Whether a GMRS license is needed or not with
respect to FRS-only use is the matter being debated by some.]

Has anyone seen anything different in any other radio's manual?

Does the instruction manual say anything about power output on the
shared
FRS/GMRS channels? These are usually 1-7 if the radio conforms to
"1-14 FRS,
15-22 GMRS". If its above 500mW its not legal for FRS use, and must
conform to GMRS regulations. Wacky ain't it?

In the case of my radio, it's 500mW regardless of service (i.e. even on GMRS,
it's 500mW).

But that 500mw will get you 5 miles on GMRS but only 2 on FRS!

Now isn't it interesting that the 5 MHz difference (462 vs 467) makes such a
distance difference..... :-)