The written tests can be made "better" (that does not necessarily
mean "more difficult")

Of course not, you wouldnt want anyone to put out any effort.

BZZZZZZZZT ... wrong answer ... took it EXACTLY ONCE.

Which you cannot prove, similar to the Millons of NCI Members

The session never happened because the VE who kept the
paperwork for the team had accidentally tossed all of the
forms while "cleaning out" the file box where he kept
the stuff.


Likely EXCUSE

. mine is
printed on paper (and laminated to protect it).

You should try and protect it, after all these years of Lame Excusses why you
couldnt have one.

One wonders how long Bruce has been licensed and active?
(I'm a member of QCWA ...)

Oh I dont know, I guess about 1966

I'm not a new one ... and Bruce is, as normal for him, full of
you-know-what.

And Karl is still a KOOK who was to Lazy or to Dumb to ever get a GENERAL or
Above, untill the FCC dropped the standards for him, so he would be able to get
one.

No, it's a very serious matter. If Bruce had a clue he'd know that.

Bruce has a CLUE and could care LESS.

That statement alone pretty well should give folks a good
idea of how much credence to give to Bruce's opinions.

Carl - wk3c

Hows the BLACK HELICOPTERS and those mystery GUNS that appear on your MONITOR.
You really are a KOOK.

In article , "Carl R. Stevenson"
writes:

"WA8ULX" wrote in message
...
Carl got a post-restructuring Extra



After a Year of failing it.

BZZZZZZZZT ... wrong answer ... took it EXACTLY ONCE.

Yeah, me too. 1970. Bruce was nowhere to be found....

Not that I feel I owe Bruce (or anyone else, actually) an explaination,
but just to set the record straight about how full of BS Bruce is ...

Do you really think anyone is in the dark about that?

Carl does not distinguish between "real hams" and others.

ThaTs because Karl doesnt know the difference

One wonders how long Bruce has been licensed and active?
(I'm a member of QCWA ...)

In four years I can join the OOTC.....

Hmmm...I'm 49, been a ham since age 13, that means I've been licensed about 73%
of my entire life. Bruce is 305, which means he's only been licensed 12%...

Bruce says a sizable percentage of amateurs are not "real hams".

Just the New ones

I'm not a new one ... and Bruce is, as normal for him, full of
you-know-what.

Is that not self-evident?

Carl is actively trying to defeat the threat of BPL.

Thats a Joke

No, it's a very serious matter. If Bruce had a clue he'd know that.

Bruce doesn't give a damn about BPL.

THATS TRUE

That statement alone pretty well should give folks a good
idea of how much credence to give to Bruce's opinions.

My point exactly.

Licenses and tests won't mean much if we can't work anybody through the noise.

--

BPL is a bad idea in so many ways. For example, I do *not* want to be around
when (not if) one of those bypass couplers decides to fail and puts 13.2 kV
into somebody's service entrance.

And after reading a "white paper" on 801.15be (I think that's the designation -
you are probably familiar with it, Carl, it uses multiple carriers in the 3-7
GHz range) it mystifoes me why anyone would think 78 MHz of bandwidth is going
to compete with what systems capable of six times that can do - without wires.

Then there's the monopoly issue, and the favoritism issue (cable companies
don't get a bye on Part 15....telcos don't get a bye on Part 15....Wi-Fi
doesn't get a bye on Part 15...) and the simple fact that electric utilities
have a hard enough time keeping the lights on and their equipment from crudding
up the ether with plain old corona noise.

Plus the fact that almost every other country that has tried BPL has given up
trying to make it work. Japan has out-and-out banned it.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"WA8ULX" wrote:

Of course not, you wouldnt want anyone to put out any effort.


What does it matter, Bruce? According to you, you're such a smart little
human being, the tests were a breeze - no effort, no study, required. Yet,
at the same, you criticize others for not putting out enough effort. Make up
your mind. Do you want effort? If so, you need to go back and take those
tests again (this time putting in the effort to actually learn something
about what you've read). If you don't want effort, stop complaining about
others not wanting it either.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

My point exactly.

Licenses and tests won't mean much if we can't work anybody through the
noise.


My point also, so since all were concerned about is giving the licenses away,
then screw them, let them compete with BPL..

What does it matter, Bruce? According to you, you're such a smart little
human being, the tests were a breeze - no effort, no study, required.

Thats the point, theres none required now.

If so, you need to go back and take those
tests again (this time putting in the effort to actually learn something
about what you've read).

The difference between me and you, and the other Knuckle Draggers is, I knew
the Info. I didnt have to go practicee a bunch of memory test so I could take
it. As a matter of fact, when I took the test, I hadnt even seen the Question
Pool, let alone the answers. And I still scored 100%

If you don't want effort, stop complaining about
others not wanting it either.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

So now you admit it, you want a No Effort Test, and most likely a No Knowlege
Test.

Dick Carroll wrote:


This proves that it's a snow job by BPL promoters who know that the
people they must convince almost totally lack knowledge of the techcial
facts. And that they will be able to ignore their own technical advisors.

For some reason, this reminds me of all those people who have me in
their address books, and yet have allowed their computers to be infected
by the Swen virus. Now I am being e-bombed for it.

So I doubt that most people would even worry that they could get their
systems fried. They just don't know any better.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Ryan, KC8PMX wrote:
(sarcasm mode on)

Since the entire public is completely aware of amateur radio, therefore they
all are waiting for the code test to drop, then we should have huge growth
eh???

(sarcasm mode off)


Is the reason for low growth that people don't know about the ARS?

I'd postulate that anyone that has any interest will pretty quickly
find out about us. have internet access, you'll find us. Read a
newspaper, and there are several articles a year about the ARS.

I'd also bet that there really aren't that many people who are really
that interested in radio. That's okay. I don't pick my hobbies on their
popularity. I pick them because I like to do them.

- mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo writes:

Ryan, KC8PMX wrote:
(sarcasm mode on)

Since the entire public is completely aware of amateur radio, therefore
they
all are waiting for the code test to drop, then we should have huge growth
eh???

(sarcasm mode off)


Is the reason for low growth that people don't know about the ARS?

I'd say it's #1.

I'd postulate that anyone that has any interest will pretty quickly
find out about us. have internet access, you'll find us. Read a
newspaper, and there are several articles a year about the ARS.

Several articles a year out of how many thousand?

Folks hafta know where to look.

Remember the movie "Contact"? Great opening scenes. But nowhere do they mention
that what's going on is amateur radio!

btw - the Vibroplex shown in that film is the very model and vintage I have
used since 1974.

I'd also bet that there really aren't that many people who are really
that interested in radio. That's okay. I don't pick my hobbies on their
popularity. I pick them because I like to do them.

Radio "for its own sake" has always been a niche avocation. I went to a
highschool (class of 1972) that had 2400 boys and a heavy academic emphasis on
math and science. In my senior year there were exactly six licensed hams there.
Of those six, three remained active long after high school. Now we are two,
with the untimely passing of WA3RVT some years ago.

More publicity can't hurt. But amateur radio isn't a spectator sport - for
most, anyway.

--

There was a great article some years back which I will now paraphrase.

The author whose name escapes me now said that there were three basic kinds of
hams - operators, communicators, and tinkerers. Or words to that effect.

Operators simply like to get on the air and make contacts. It's the medium more
than the message, the skill as much as the results.

Communicators are there for the message. Radio is the tool to get the job done,
that's all.

Tinkerers are into the technology of radio, the projects, etc.

Of course most hams a a mixture of all three, but you can see that the mix
varies widely in different individuals.

It's also clear that as things change, the attractions of these three reasons
wax and wane.

Once upon a time, amateur radio attracted lots of communicator types because
there were so few alternatives within reach of the average person. I recall
reading of hams who got their licenses simply to keep in touch with family
members across the country or around the world. With the advent of cellphones,
email and cheap longdistance, much of that is gone.

Tinkerers are still with us, but it's a different game now. In the past, most
hams had to do some pretty serious tinkering just to get on the air - even with
manufactured equipment. While that sort of thing is still around, it's not so
prevalent as before.

Operator types are most numerous today, for obvious reasons.

The situation is analagous to cars - there are those for whom driving is a joy
in itself, those for whom driving is a means to an end (transportation), and
those who like to mess around with motor vehicles.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
Ryan, KC8PMX wrote:
(sarcasm mode on)

Since the entire public is completely aware of amateur radio, therefore
they
all are waiting for the code test to drop, then we should have huge
growth
eh???

(sarcasm mode off)


Is the reason for low growth that people don't know about the ARS?

I would have to say it is one factor at least. I am not saying it is the
only factor for low growth.


I'd postulate that anyone that has any interest will pretty quickly
find out about us. have internet access, you'll find us. Read a
newspaper, and there are several articles a year about the ARS.


That postulation would also have to assume that there is some awareness of
this hobby/service, even if it is only a small amount of awareness. What I
was referring to was, I have run across many people that DID NOT have ANY
awareness whatsoever. Of course after discussing, they did have at least a
little bit of awareness, and it would be up to them to pursue it any
further.



I'd also bet that there really aren't that many people who are really
that interested in radio. That's okay. I don't pick my hobbies on their
popularity. I pick them because I like to do them.

I would agree with that statement as well Mike. Those people are not part
of this particular equation; being the awareness issue.



--
Ryan, KC8PMX
FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!)
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