"Penny Traytion" wrote ...

No Test International.

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Dang it, Penny. You took my answer. ;-)

Arnie -
KT4ST

Member of "Know Code" International

"Arnie Macy" wrote in message ...
"Penny Traytion" wrote ...

No Test International.

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Dang it, Penny. You took my answer. ;-)

Arnie -
KT4ST

Arnie, go ahead and let her take your answer. No sense in both of you being wrong.

Brian

Brian wrote:
"Arnie Macy" wrote in message ...

"Penny Traytion" wrote ...

No Test International.

________________________________________________ __________

Dang it, Penny. You took my answer. ;-)

Arnie -
KT4ST


Arnie, go ahead and let her take your answer. No sense in both of you being wrong.


Actually as a point of interest, and maybe a little trolling, Just WHY
should there be testing for a ham license?

Isn't limiting access to the Airwaves to only those who pass some kind
of test Elitist?

What of those who simply aren't smart enough to pass a test? are they
not human and have rights?


As for RF safety, I would point to the successful efforts of Motorcycle
riders to abolish helmet rules. It should be the individual's
responsibility to decide if RF safety matters are important to him or her.

As for mode specific questions, they have no business asking me about
modes of operation that I am not interested in.

No Test International could be born now!

Thoughts?

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo writes:

Actually as a point of interest, and maybe a little trolling,

Okay, I'll bite.

Just WHY should there be testing for a ham license? Isn't limiting
access to the Airwaves to only those who pass some kind of test
Elitist?

Worse, isn't it a violation of the first amendment? Isn't forbidding
me to operate a transmitter the same as forbidding me to operate a
printing press?

As for mode specific questions, they have no business asking me
about modes of operation that I am not interested in.

Right--they should only cover high-power broadcasts, comsat hijacking
and signal-jamming my rivals...

No Test International could be born now!

Anarchy forever!

--Len.

On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 13:21:41 GMT, wrote:

Actually as a point of interest, and maybe a little trolling,

Okay, I'll bite.

Just WHY should there be testing for a ham license? Isn't limiting
access to the Airwaves to only those who pass some kind of test
Elitist?

Worse, isn't it a violation of the first amendment? Isn't forbidding
me to operate a transmitter the same as forbidding me to operate a
printing press?

No and no. The Supreme Court of the United States has so ruled on
both questions. Let's find a better reason.

As for mode specific questions, they have no business asking me
about modes of operation that I am not interested in.

Right--they should only cover high-power broadcasts, comsat hijacking
and signal-jamming my rivals...

Whatever is important..... but you left out surreptitious hacking of
secure communications.

ggg

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

Aw, Phil. You're spoiling the fun. There shouldn't be tests. Not even
driving tests. That way, the drunks who kill folks won't have a license to
take away. That would violate their rights. Of course, they'd still end up
in jail, but if they don't cause any injuries nor accidents, let 'em drive
on! Say, btw, I hadn't thought of hunting since they outlawed lead. Phil,
could you put me in touch with someone in the government that would sell me
some spent uranium so I could use that for the 12 gauge? It would carry a
lot farther than lead shot!

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



"Phil Kane" wrote in message
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On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 13:21:41 GMT, wrote:

Actually as a point of interest, and maybe a little trolling,

Okay, I'll bite.

Just WHY should there be testing for a ham license? Isn't limiting
access to the Airwaves to only those who pass some kind of test
Elitist?

Worse, isn't it a violation of the first amendment? Isn't forbidding
me to operate a transmitter the same as forbidding me to operate a
printing press?

No and no. The Supreme Court of the United States has so ruled on
both questions. Let's find a better reason.

As for mode specific questions, they have no business asking me
about modes of operation that I am not interested in.

Right--they should only cover high-power broadcasts, comsat hijacking
and signal-jamming my rivals...

Whatever is important..... but you left out surreptitious hacking of
secure communications.

ggg

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane




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"Phil Kane" wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 13:21:41 GMT, wrote:

Isn't forbidding me to operate a transmitter the same as
forbidding me to operate a printing press?

...no. The Supreme Court of the United States has so ruled...

That isn't necessarily final, of course. It is theoretically possible
for the Supremes to rule contrary to the framers intent. Some justices
seem eager to do so.

So the question merely changes to whether we should seize the
airwaves, as the Constitution provides, and then defend the
Constitution from "all enemies, foreign and domestic", by taking out
the supremes. Anyone? Anyone?

--Len.

PS I gather there's a weapons cache at Concord, Mass...

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:
"Arnie Macy" wrote in message
...

"Penny Traytion" wrote ...

No Test International.

________________________________________________ __________

Dang it, Penny. You took my answer. ;-)

Arnie -
KT4ST


Arnie, go ahead and let her take your answer. No sense in both of you
being wrong.


Actually as a point of interest, and maybe a little trolling, Just WHY
should there be testing for a ham license?

Isn't limiting access to the Airwaves to only those who pass some kind
of test Elitist?

NO


What of those who simply aren't smart enough to pass a test? are they
not human and have rights?

That is what CB is for.



As for RF safety, I would point to the successful efforts of Motorcycle
riders to abolish helmet rules. It should be the individual's
responsibility to decide if RF safety matters are important to him or her.

At 1500watts output don't you think the neighbors would have some input?


As for mode specific questions, they have no business asking me about
modes of operation that I am not interested in.

Agreed. That way you can only operate the basic modes. CW or SSB. And
take another test when you want to move ahead.


No Test International could be born now!

No, the terrorists need them.


Thoughts?

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:
"Arnie Macy" wrote in message ...

"Penny Traytion" wrote ...

No Test International.

________________________________________________ __________

Dang it, Penny. You took my answer. ;-)

Arnie -
KT4ST


Arnie, go ahead and let her take your answer. No sense in both of you being wrong.


Actually as a point of interest, and maybe a little trolling, Just WHY
should there be testing for a ham license?

Isn't limiting access to the Airwaves to only those who pass some kind
of test Elitist?

What of those who simply aren't smart enough to pass a test? are they
not human and have rights?


As for RF safety, I would point to the successful efforts of Motorcycle
riders to abolish helmet rules. It should be the individual's
responsibility to decide if RF safety matters are important to him or her.

As for mode specific questions, they have no business asking me about
modes of operation that I am not interested in.

No Test International could be born now!

Thoughts?

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike, looks like trolling to me. Let it be known that the PCTA want
no written exams.

OK, to use a little PCTA logic, we have exams because the test always
gets thru when nothing else will. If that reason won't work, then we
do it to be in compliance with ITU requirements, an answer which has
worked for eons.

And mortorcyclists do take exams, both written and practical.

You're welcome to take the cover off of a 3k amplifier and put it over
your head while riding a motorcycle. Have fun, and be sure to wear it
to SD.

Brian

Brian wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

Brian wrote:

"Arnie Macy" wrote in message ...


"Penny Traytion" wrote ...

No Test International.

______________________________________________ ____________

Dang it, Penny. You took my answer. ;-)

Arnie -
KT4ST


Arnie, go ahead and let her take your answer. No sense in both of you being wrong.


Actually as a point of interest, and maybe a little trolling, Just WHY
should there be testing for a ham license?

Isn't limiting access to the Airwaves to only those who pass some kind
of test Elitist?

What of those who simply aren't smart enough to pass a test? are they
not human and have rights?


As for RF safety, I would point to the successful efforts of Motorcycle
riders to abolish helmet rules. It should be the individual's
responsibility to decide if RF safety matters are important to him or her.

As for mode specific questions, they have no business asking me about
modes of operation that I am not interested in.

No Test International could be born now!

Thoughts?

- Mike KB3EIA -


Mike, looks like trolling to me. Let it be known that the PCTA want
no written exams.

hmmm, asking questions is a statement like that?


OK, to use a little PCTA logic, we have exams because the test always
gets thru when nothing else will. If that reason won't work, then we
do it to be in compliance with ITU requirements, an answer which has
worked for eons.

That's not my reasoning.

- Mike KB3EIA -