"Guessing" wrote in
news:QWCPa.913$Bd5.644@fed1read01:


Someone squawked
As an engineer myself, I can verfiy that lots of engineers have told
me exactly that. Whether they would get a licence once code testing is
abolished might be another matter.

Nonsense and a big copout

It happens to be the truth, whether you like it or not


If you want a BS/MS/PHD Degree -- pass the tests
Want a driver license -- take a test
Want a job - take a drug test and physical exam and perhaps a
professional test
Want insurance -- take a physical exam
Want to be an apprentice (JourneyPerson) -- take the test
Want to advance in the Military -- take the test
Pass the Bar (Legal that is) Pass Da Test
Nurses CPR for sure and maybe ACLS Tests
Sobriety Test -- Try to dodge this one
et al tests
Want an HF Ham license -- take the code and Technical/Rules et al test

Code won't be included in that for much longer. I assume that since you
just say 'take the test' about everything, that you must have no problem
with that. I certainly don't!

Otherwise we have CB and FRS. And one who listens on these bands ought
to be totally inspired to get a Ham Ticket !!!

Simple as that.


You live in a 'black and white' world, don't you?

Anyone who used the code as an excuse for not becoming a ham, just
wasn't serious about it.


An unsupported assertion, and untrue

If 10 to 17 year olds can do it, why can't an engineer or any other
college grad ???


Code aptitude and IQ are completely unrelated

Did any of those "Engineers" get a No-Code Tech license ??

Yes, I did (although I did code eventually)

Didn't think so !!

I still maintain it is all a matter of achieve or cop out. Make excuses or
meet a challenge.
And you are correct "Code aptitude and IQ are completely unrelated" So much
for the "Engineer copout"

It has nothing to do whether you or I like or dislike the code.
It has nothing to do with "Antiquated technology"
It has nothing to do with "I'll never use code"
It has everything to do with "Want HF Ham Ticket -- Pass the Test "(at the
moment) If dropped is all OK with me. Times and requirements change as they
should.

Black and white -- yep sure is -- society, government, et al make it that
way. Don't Drink and Drive, 3 strikes you are outta here -- Pass the Test --
pretty black and white to me.

As for Anyone who used the code as an excuse for not becoming a ham,
just
wasn't serious about it.

An unsupported assertion, and untrue

I have talked with hundreds and I mean hundreds of folks and VE's over the
years and here are the copouts.

I don't have time. The most common one. VE's here have found that 15 min a
day EVERY day practice and in a month --90%+ pass the code test BUT the
other 10% spend all night on the boob tube.

I'll never use code. (You may never have to parallel park either) (if they
still require that)

I can't take tests (Has Drivers License and a BSEE)

Its a lot easier to get on CB

Its too expensive (has $1000 computer, can't afford a Swan 350 at $250)

Its so illogical (so is a job interview at times)

Notice I didn't even mention whether I am a Ham or not -- Tech no-code or
Extra ---pro or anti-code -- cause that ain't got nothing to do with --
PASS THE TEST


"Alun Palmer" wrote in message
...
"Guessing" wrote in
news:QWCPa.913$Bd5.644@fed1read01:


Someone squawked
As an engineer myself, I can verfiy that lots of engineers have told
me exactly that. Whether they would get a licence once code testing is
abolished might be another matter.

Nonsense and a big copout

It happens to be the truth, whether you like it or not


If you want a BS/MS/PHD Degree -- pass the tests
Want a driver license -- take a test
Want a job - take a drug test and physical exam and perhaps a
professional test
Want insurance -- take a physical exam
Want to be an apprentice (JourneyPerson) -- take the test
Want to advance in the Military -- take the test
Pass the Bar (Legal that is) Pass Da Test
Nurses CPR for sure and maybe ACLS Tests
Sobriety Test -- Try to dodge this one
et al tests
Want an HF Ham license -- take the code and Technical/Rules et al test

Code won't be included in that for much longer. I assume that since you
just say 'take the test' about everything, that you must have no problem
with that. I certainly don't!

Otherwise we have CB and FRS. And one who listens on these bands ought
to be totally inspired to get a Ham Ticket !!!

Simple as that.


You live in a 'black and white' world, don't you?

Anyone who used the code as an excuse for not becoming a ham, just
wasn't serious about it.


An unsupported assertion, and untrue

If 10 to 17 year olds can do it, why can't an engineer or any other
college grad ???


Code aptitude and IQ are completely unrelated

Did any of those "Engineers" get a No-Code Tech license ??

Yes, I did (although I did code eventually)

Didn't think so !!

"Guessing" wrote in
news:bXVPa.1425$Bd5.445@fed1read01:

I still maintain it is all a matter of achieve or cop out. Make
excuses or meet a challenge.
And you are correct "Code aptitude and IQ are completely unrelated" So
much for the "Engineer copout"

It has nothing to do whether you or I like or dislike the code.

I disagree. If someone doesn't like CW, why on earth should they be forced
to train as a CW operator to get accesss to phone frequencies? This is a
hobby.

It has nothing to do with "Antiquated technology"

I don't think CW can match PSK or TOR, so it is somewhat antiquated, IMHO

It has nothing to do with "I'll never use code"

On the contrary. I don't use code, so why did I have to learn to use it?

It has everything to do with "Want HF Ham Ticket -- Pass the Test "(at
the moment) If dropped is all OK with me. Times and requirements change
as they should.


So you have no trouble with the oncoming changes, then?

Black and white -- yep sure is -- society, government, et al make it
that way. Don't Drink and Drive, 3 strikes you are outta here -- Pass
the Test -- pretty black and white to me.


So you don't beleive anyone should try to change any of the rules?

As for Anyone who used the code as an excuse for not becoming a
ham, just
wasn't serious about it.

An unsupported assertion, and untrue

I have talked with hundreds and I mean hundreds of folks and VE's over
the years and here are the copouts.

I don't have time. The most common one. VE's here have found that 15
min a day EVERY day practice and in a month --90%+ pass the code test
BUT the other 10% spend all night on the boob tube.


Usually that is just an excuse, I agree. My XYL uses it all the time!

I'll never use code. (You may never have to parallel park either) (if
they still require that)


No, that one is valid.

I can't take tests (Has Drivers License and a BSEE)

Its a lot easier to get on CB

Its too expensive (has $1000 computer, can't afford a Swan 350 at $250)


That one makes me smile too

Its so illogical (so is a job interview at times)

Notice I didn't even mention whether I am a Ham or not -- Tech no-code
or Extra ---pro or anti-code -- cause that ain't got nothing to do
with -- PASS THE TEST


"Alun Palmer" wrote in message
...
"Guessing" wrote in
news:QWCPa.913$Bd5.644@fed1read01:


Someone squawked
As an engineer myself, I can verfiy that lots of engineers have
told me exactly that. Whether they would get a licence once code
testing is abolished might be another matter.

Nonsense and a big copout

It happens to be the truth, whether you like it or not


If you want a BS/MS/PHD Degree -- pass the tests
Want a driver license -- take a test
Want a job - take a drug test and physical exam and perhaps a
professional test
Want insurance -- take a physical exam
Want to be an apprentice (JourneyPerson) -- take the test
Want to advance in the Military -- take the test
Pass the Bar (Legal that is) Pass Da Test
Nurses CPR for sure and maybe ACLS Tests
Sobriety Test -- Try to dodge this one
et al tests
Want an HF Ham license -- take the code and Technical/Rules et al
test

Code won't be included in that for much longer. I assume that since
you just say 'take the test' about everything, that you must have no
problem with that. I certainly don't!

Otherwise we have CB and FRS. And one who listens on these bands
ought to be totally inspired to get a Ham Ticket !!!

Simple as that.


You live in a 'black and white' world, don't you?

Anyone who used the code as an excuse for not becoming a ham, just
wasn't serious about it.


An unsupported assertion, and untrue

If 10 to 17 year olds can do it, why can't an engineer or any other
college grad ???


Code aptitude and IQ are completely unrelated

Did any of those "Engineers" get a No-Code Tech license ??

Yes, I did (although I did code eventually)

Didn't think so !!

"Alun Palmer" wrote in message
...
"Guessing" wrote in
news:bXVPa.1425$Bd5.445@fed1read01:

Alun I respect you opinions. Just like I don't like some laws (blue or
otherwise) and CC&R's in the HOA in which I live -- I can express a personal
emotion or opinion as you have. But my point is that thousands who hate the
code have passed the code test because they had to in order to achieve their
goals. If one's desire to get on HF is high enough, the code should not be a
deterrent as many have proved. And they didn't like proving it.

I still maintain it is all a matter of achieve or cop out. Make
excuses or meet a challenge.
And you are correct "Code aptitude and IQ are completely unrelated" So
much for the "Engineer copout"

It has nothing to do whether you or I like or dislike the code.

I disagree. If someone doesn't like CW, why on earth should they be forced
to train as a CW operator to get accesss to phone frequencies? This is a
hobby.

Because the FCC sez so -- don't mix emotions with the law.
It is not a hobby -- FCC Part 97 sez it is a Service. (That ought to stir up
a hornets nest!!)

It has nothing to do with "Antiquated technology"

I don't think CW can match PSK or TOR, so it is somewhat antiquated, IMHO

Besides the point

It has nothing to do with "I'll never use code"

On the contrary. I don't use code, so why did I have to learn to use it?

FCC sez so -- you are making an excuse to avoid the requirement. Logic has
nothing to do with it -- its the law. Ask a lawyer about that one. Hey I
want to be a BSEE, why do I have to take History classes ????

It has everything to do with "Want HF Ham Ticket -- Pass the Test "(at
the moment) If dropped is all OK with me. Times and requirements change
as they should.


So you have no trouble with the oncoming changes, then?

None at all.

Black and white -- yep sure is -- society, government, et al make it
that way. Don't Drink and Drive, 3 strikes you are outta here -- Pass
the Test -- pretty black and white to me.


So you don't beleive anyone should try to change any of the rules?

Of course change is inevitable. But for now -- buckle up

As for Anyone who used the code as an excuse for not becoming a
ham, just
wasn't serious about it.

An unsupported assertion, and untrue

I have talked with hundreds and I mean hundreds of folks and VE's over
the years and here are the copouts.

I don't have time. The most common one. VE's here have found that 15
min a day EVERY day practice and in a month --90%+ pass the code test
BUT the other 10% spend all night on the boob tube.


Usually that is just an excuse, I agree. My XYL uses it all the time!
Mine Too !!

I'll never use code. (You may never have to parallel park either) (if
they still require that)

No, that one is valid.

Try telling that to the FCC -- meantime Pass The Test

I can't take tests (Has Drivers License and a BSEE)

Its a lot easier to get on CB

Its too expensive (has $1000 computer, can't afford a Swan 350 at $250)


That one makes me smile too

Its so illogical (so is a job interview at times)

Notice I didn't even mention whether I am a Ham or not -- Tech no-code
or Extra ---pro or anti-code -- cause that ain't got nothing to do
with -- PASS THE TEST


"Alun Palmer" wrote in message
...
"Guessing" wrote in
news:QWCPa.913$Bd5.644@fed1read01:


Someone squawked
As an engineer myself, I can verfiy that lots of engineers have
told me exactly that. Whether they would get a licence once code
testing is abolished might be another matter.

Nonsense and a big copout

It happens to be the truth, whether you like it or not


If you want a BS/MS/PHD Degree -- pass the tests
Want a driver license -- take a test
Want a job - take a drug test and physical exam and perhaps a
professional test
Want insurance -- take a physical exam
Want to be an apprentice (JourneyPerson) -- take the test
Want to advance in the Military -- take the test
Pass the Bar (Legal that is) Pass Da Test
Nurses CPR for sure and maybe ACLS Tests
Sobriety Test -- Try to dodge this one
et al tests
Want an HF Ham license -- take the code and Technical/Rules et al
test

Code won't be included in that for much longer. I assume that since
you just say 'take the test' about everything, that you must have no
problem with that. I certainly don't!

Otherwise we have CB and FRS. And one who listens on these bands
ought to be totally inspired to get a Ham Ticket !!!

Simple as that.


You live in a 'black and white' world, don't you?

Anyone who used the code as an excuse for not becoming a ham, just
wasn't serious about it.


An unsupported assertion, and untrue

If 10 to 17 year olds can do it, why can't an engineer or any other
college grad ???


Code aptitude and IQ are completely unrelated

Did any of those "Engineers" get a No-Code Tech license ??

Yes, I did (although I did code eventually)

Didn't think so !!

"Guessing" wrote in message
news:kTWPa.1427$Bd5.928@fed1read01...

"Alun Palmer" wrote in message
...
"Guessing" wrote in
news:bXVPa.1425$Bd5.445@fed1read01:

Alun I respect you opinions. Just like I don't like some laws (blue or
otherwise) and CC&R's in the HOA in which I live -- I can express a
personal
emotion or opinion as you have. But my point is that thousands who hate
the
code have passed the code test because they had to in order to achieve
their
goals. If one's desire to get on HF is high enough, the code should not be
a
deterrent as many have proved. And they didn't like proving it.

Just because thousands did it before, doesn't justify
keeping it (the 5 wpm test).

I still maintain it is all a matter of achieve or cop out. Make
excuses or meet a challenge.
And you are correct "Code aptitude and IQ are completely unrelated" So
much for the "Engineer copout"

It has nothing to do whether you or I like or dislike the code.

I disagree. If someone doesn't like CW, why on earth should they be
forced
to train as a CW operator to get accesss to phone frequencies? This is a
hobby.

Because the FCC sez so -- don't mix emotions with the law.
It is not a hobby -- FCC Part 97 sez it is a Service. (That ought to stir
up
a hornets nest!!)

BUT, you seem to say...accept it and never try to change
it. The ITU just dropped mandatory testing...for one of the
reasons being they didn't see any need to keep it. Not
one country spoke in favor of keeping mandatory code
as an ITU requirement.

It has nothing to do with "Antiquated technology"

I don't think CW can match PSK or TOR, so it is somewhat antiquated,
IMHO

Besides the point

The point being, in any case, that no one is saying
don't use morse anymore. The ONLY issue is the
test.

It has nothing to do with "I'll never use code"

On the contrary. I don't use code, so why did I have to learn to use it?

FCC sez so -- you are making an excuse to avoid the requirement. Logic has
nothing to do with it -- its the law.

It's the law today. That'l change relatively soon.

Ask a lawyer about that one. Hey I
want to be a BSEE, why do I have to take History classes ????

You don't have to take history classes in some schools
to get a BSEE.

It has everything to do with "Want HF Ham Ticket -- Pass the Test "(at
the moment) If dropped is all OK with me. Times and requirements
change
as they should.

So you have no trouble with the oncoming changes, then?

None at all.

Good!.

Black and white -- yep sure is -- society, government, et al make it
that way. Don't Drink and Drive, 3 strikes you are outta here -- Pass
the Test -- pretty black and white to me.


So you don't beleive anyone should try to change any of the rules?

Of course change is inevitable. But for now -- buckle up

Or just wait it out a few months.

As for Anyone who used the code as an excuse for not becoming a
ham, just
wasn't serious about it.

An unsupported assertion, and untrue

I have talked with hundreds and I mean hundreds of folks and VE's over
the years and here are the copouts.

I don't have time. The most common one. VE's here have found that 15
min a day EVERY day practice and in a month --90%+ pass the code test
BUT the other 10% spend all night on the boob tube.


Usually that is just an excuse, I agree. My XYL uses it all the time!
Mine Too !!

I'll never use code. (You may never have to parallel park either) (if
they still require that)

No, that one is valid.

Try telling that to the FCC -- meantime Pass The Test

Or wait till it changes.

(SNIP)

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:19:01 -0400, "Bill Sohl"
wrote:

Ask a lawyer about that one. Hey I
want to be a BSEE, why do I have to take History classes ????

You don't have to take history classes in some schools
to get a BSEE.

Correct...but, in my opinion, still misses one major point, namely
that an amateur radio license and a BSEE are entirely different.

A BSEE is a degree awarded at the *end* of an academic pursuit for the
purpose of recognizing successful completion thereof and to certify
that the recipient has acquired significant knowledge in the field. By
the time you get a BSEE, you're supposed to have forgotten more about
electrical engineering than most people have ever learned. It'll get
you a decent job even if you bluffed your way through and really don't
know shinola. It's supposedly proof of an accomplishment, that being a
well-rounded education, with particular emphasis in a specialized
field. That's why most (not all) institutes of higher learning require
classes in things like history, literature, and other stuff that would
seem unrelated.

If I were Larry Roll, I'd lament that I've seen so many people with
college degrees that still couldn't fill out a job application
properly, that the requirements for a college degree must have been
seriously dumbed down over the past thirty years, but I'm not, so I
won't. Nevertheless, I have worked with people who held engineering
degrees yet could not compose a coherent memo for circulation in their
own department.

An amateur radio license is a document awarded at the *beginning* of
one's participation in the hobby for the purpose of granting operating
privileges and to certify that the recipient has demonstrated entry
level knowledge at the class of license thus received. It won't get
you a job bagging groceries. As for the accomplishments, those come
afterward when you actually start to make use of the privileges the
license conveys by putting Qs in your logbook. It is not, and is not
intended to be, comparable to a college degree...no matter how much
some people would like it to be so.

73 DE John, KC2HMZ

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:19:01 -0400, "Bill Sohl"
wrote:

Ask a lawyer about that one. Hey I
want to be a BSEE, why do I have to take History classes ????

You don't have to take history classes in some schools
to get a BSEE.

Correct...but, in my opinion, still misses one major point, namely
that an amateur radio license and a BSEE are entirely different.

A BSEE is a degree awarded at the *end* of an academic pursuit for the
purpose of recognizing successful completion thereof and to certify
that the recipient has acquired significant knowledge in the field. By
the time you get a BSEE, you're supposed to have forgotten more about
electrical engineering than most people have ever learned. It'll get
you a decent job even if you bluffed your way through and really don't
know shinola. It's supposedly proof of an accomplishment, that being a
well-rounded education, with particular emphasis in a specialized
field. That's why most (not all) institutes of higher learning require
classes in things like history, literature, and other stuff that would
seem unrelated.

If I were Larry Roll, I'd lament that I've seen so many people with
college degrees that still couldn't fill out a job application
properly, that the requirements for a college degree must have been
seriously dumbed down over the past thirty years, but I'm not, so I
won't. Nevertheless, I have worked with people who held engineering
degrees yet could not compose a coherent memo for circulation in their
own department.

An amateur radio license is a document awarded at the *beginning* of
one's participation in the hobby for the purpose of granting operating
privileges and to certify that the recipient has demonstrated entry
level knowledge at the class of license thus received. It won't get
you a job bagging groceries. As for the accomplishments, those come
afterward when you actually start to make use of the privileges the
license conveys by putting Qs in your logbook. It is not, and is not
intended to be, comparable to a college degree...no matter how much
some people would like it to be so.

73 DE John, KC2HMZ

Alun Palmer wrote:
"Guessing" wrote in
news:bXVPa.1425$Bd5.445@fed1read01:


I still maintain it is all a matter of achieve or cop out. Make
excuses or meet a challenge.
And you are correct "Code aptitude and IQ are completely unrelated" So
much for the "Engineer copout"

It has nothing to do whether you or I like or dislike the code.


I disagree. If someone doesn't like CW, why on earth should they be forced
to train as a CW operator to get accesss to phone frequencies? This is a
hobby.


It has nothing to do with "Antiquated technology"


I don't think CW can match PSK or TOR, so it is somewhat antiquated, IMHO

Well, Alun, what say we just get rid of all the "antiquated"
technologies? Our anonymous friend is right.



It has nothing to do with "I'll never use code"


On the contrary. I don't use code, so why did I have to learn to use it?

You don't have to learn anything you don't want to learn.

It has everything to do with "Want HF Ham Ticket -- Pass the Test "(at
the moment) If dropped is all OK with me. Times and requirements change
as they should.


So you have no trouble with the oncoming changes, then?

I do. A Celebration of Entropy


Black and white -- yep sure is -- society, government, et al make it
that way. Don't Drink and Drive, 3 strikes you are outta here -- Pass
the Test -- pretty black and white to me.



So you don't beleive anyone should try to change any of the rules?


As for Anyone who used the code as an excuse for not becoming a
ham, just

wasn't serious about it.

An unsupported assertion, and untrue

I have talked with hundreds and I mean hundreds of folks and VE's over
the years and here are the copouts.

I don't have time. The most common one. VE's here have found that 15
min a day EVERY day practice and in a month --90%+ pass the code test
BUT the other 10% spend all night on the boob tube.



Usually that is just an excuse, I agree. My XYL uses it all the time!


I'll never use code. (You may never have to parallel park either) (if
they still require that)



No, that one is valid.


I can't take tests (Has Drivers License and a BSEE)

Its a lot easier to get on CB

Its too expensive (has $1000 computer, can't afford a Swan 350 at $250)



That one makes me smile too

That Swan should be outa the picture. It's antiquated technology.


Its so illogical (so is a job interview at times)

Notice I didn't even mention whether I am a Ham or not -- Tech no-code
or Extra ---pro or anti-code -- cause that ain't got nothing to do
with -- PASS THE TEST


"Alun Palmer" wrote in message
. ..

"Guessing" wrote in
news:QWCPa.913$Bd5.644@fed1read01:


Someone squawked
As an engineer myself, I can verfiy that lots of engineers have
told me exactly that. Whether they would get a licence once code
testing is abolished might be another matter.

Nonsense and a big copout

It happens to be the truth, whether you like it or not


If you want a BS/MS/PHD Degree -- pass the tests
Want a driver license -- take a test
Want a job - take a drug test and physical exam and perhaps a
professional test
Want insurance -- take a physical exam
Want to be an apprentice (JourneyPerson) -- take the test
Want to advance in the Military -- take the test
Pass the Bar (Legal that is) Pass Da Test
Nurses CPR for sure and maybe ACLS Tests
Sobriety Test -- Try to dodge this one
et al tests
Want an HF Ham license -- take the code and Technical/Rules et al
test

Code won't be included in that for much longer. I assume that since
you just say 'take the test' about everything, that you must have no
problem with that. I certainly don't!


Otherwise we have CB and FRS. And one who listens on these bands
ought to be totally inspired to get a Ham Ticket !!!

Simple as that.


You live in a 'black and white' world, don't you?


Anyone who used the code as an excuse for not becoming a ham, just
wasn't serious about it.


An unsupported assertion, and untrue


If 10 to 17 year olds can do it, why can't an engineer or any other
college grad ???


Code aptitude and IQ are completely unrelated


Did any of those "Engineers" get a No-Code Tech license ??

Yes, I did (although I did code eventually)


Didn't think so !!

Mike Coslo wrote in
:

Alun Palmer wrote:
"Guessing" wrote in
news:bXVPa.1425$Bd5.445@fed1read01:


I still maintain it is all a matter of achieve or cop out. Make
excuses or meet a challenge.
And you are correct "Code aptitude and IQ are completely unrelated" So
much for the "Engineer copout"

It has nothing to do whether you or I like or dislike the code.


I disagree. If someone doesn't like CW, why on earth should they be
forced to train as a CW operator to get accesss to phone frequencies?
This is a hobby.


It has nothing to do with "Antiquated technology"


I don't think CW can match PSK or TOR, so it is somewhat antiquated,
IMHO

Well, Alun, what say we just get rid of all the "antiquated"
technologies? Our anonymous friend is right.


No. although I'm glad spark isn't allowed!



It has nothing to do with "I'll never use code"


On the contrary. I don't use code, so why did I have to learn to use
it?

You don't have to learn anything you don't want to learn.


On the contrary, I had to learn code to get HF phone. It certainly wasn't
done willingly

It has everything to do with "Want HF Ham Ticket -- Pass the Test "(at
the moment) If dropped is all OK with me. Times and requirements
change as they should.


So you have no trouble with the oncoming changes, then?

I do. A Celebration of Entropy


All systems tend to maximise entropy. You must know that.


Black and white -- yep sure is -- society, government, et al make it
that way. Don't Drink and Drive, 3 strikes you are outta here -- Pass
the Test -- pretty black and white to me.



So you don't beleive anyone should try to change any of the rules?


As for Anyone who used the code as an excuse for not becoming a
ham, just

wasn't serious about it.

An unsupported assertion, and untrue

I have talked with hundreds and I mean hundreds of folks and VE's over
the years and here are the copouts.

I don't have time. The most common one. VE's here have found that 15
min a day EVERY day practice and in a month --90%+ pass the code test
BUT the other 10% spend all night on the boob tube.



Usually that is just an excuse, I agree. My XYL uses it all the time!


I'll never use code. (You may never have to parallel park either) (if
they still require that)



No, that one is valid.


I can't take tests (Has Drivers License and a BSEE)

Its a lot easier to get on CB

Its too expensive (has $1000 computer, can't afford a Swan 350 at
$250)



That one makes me smile too

That Swan should be outa the picture. It's antiquated technology.


It has it's place, if it is available for a low enough price


Its so illogical (so is a job interview at times)

Notice I didn't even mention whether I am a Ham or not -- Tech
no-code or Extra ---pro or anti-code -- cause that ain't got nothing
to do with -- PASS THE TEST


"Alun Palmer" wrote in message
...

"Guessing" wrote in
news:QWCPa.913$Bd5.644@fed1read01:


Someone squawked
As an engineer myself, I can verfiy that lots of engineers have
told me exactly that. Whether they would get a licence once code
testing is abolished might be another matter.

Nonsense and a big copout

It happens to be the truth, whether you like it or not


If you want a BS/MS/PHD Degree -- pass the tests
Want a driver license -- take a test
Want a job - take a drug test and physical exam and perhaps a
professional test
Want insurance -- take a physical exam
Want to be an apprentice (JourneyPerson) -- take the test
Want to advance in the Military -- take the test
Pass the Bar (Legal that is) Pass Da Test
Nurses CPR for sure and maybe ACLS Tests
Sobriety Test -- Try to dodge this one
et al tests
Want an HF Ham license -- take the code and Technical/Rules et al
test

Code won't be included in that for much longer. I assume that since
you just say 'take the test' about everything, that you must have no
problem with that. I certainly don't!


Otherwise we have CB and FRS. And one who listens on these bands
ought to be totally inspired to get a Ham Ticket !!!

Simple as that.


You live in a 'black and white' world, don't you?


Anyone who used the code as an excuse for not becoming a ham, just
wasn't serious about it.


An unsupported assertion, and untrue


If 10 to 17 year olds can do it, why can't an engineer or any other
college grad ???


Code aptitude and IQ are completely unrelated


Did any of those "Engineers" get a No-Code Tech license ??

Yes, I did (although I did code eventually)


Didn't think so !!

In article , Alun Palmer
writes:

"Guessing" wrote in
news:bXVPa.1425$Bd5.445@fed1read01:

If someone doesn't like CW, why on earth should they be forced
to train as a CW operator to get accesss to phone frequencies? This is a
hobby.

OK, fine. If someone doesn't like building their own equipment why on earth
should they be forced to learn all sorts of stuff about how radios work to get
access to modern, reliable manufactured transmitting equipment that has no
critical adjustments and won't go outside the allocated bands? This is a hobby
(for them).

It has nothing to do with "Antiquated technology"

I don't think CW can match PSK or TOR, so it is somewhat antiquated, IMHO

In some ways CW beats PSK-31 and the various TOR modes. And the reverse. All
depends on the measure.

73 de Jim, N2EY