Dwight Stewart wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote:

Dwight Stewart wrote:

Isn't Code more of a skill than a knowledge? Any
person can look at a piece of paper with a code
chart on it and translate code, but that doesn't
mean they have the skill to send or receive code
over a radio. Wasn't the latter the ultimate
purpose of the code test?

One must know the Morse code to send and recieve it.

You're right. Perhaps memorizing the individual sequence of sounds
associated with a letter of the alphabet is knowledge on some very basic
level, similar to a young child memorizing the sounds associated with the
letters of the alphabet. Amazing that this would become a key focus of
testing in ham radio for so many years.

\


Mygawd, Dwight, are you really licensed as a ham? And *that's* all you know of
radiotelegraphy?
You been hiding out in the wilderness somewhere, in a cave? What do you think
it was that started
radio in the first place, semaphores?

Dick Carroll wrote:



Mygawd, Dwight, are you really licensed as a ham? And *that's* all you know of
radiotelegraphy?
You been hiding out in the wilderness somewhere, in a cave? What do you think
it was that started
radio in the first place, semaphores?

You mean you and Larry boy don't know semaphore Dick? Why that is
just plain LAZINESS. You know, when conditions are so bad that you
and Larry have to rely on CW and your faithful CW rigs gives up
the ghost or conditions get SO bad that CW can't even get through
you and Larry could save the world by using semaphore, if you had
that skill, that is.

"JJ" wrote ...

You mean you and Larry boy don't know semaphore Dick? Why that is just
plain LAZINESS. You know, when conditions are so bad that you and Larry have
to rely on CW and your faithful CW rigs gives up the ghost or conditions get
SO bad that CW can't even get through you and Larry could save the world by
using semaphore, if you had that skill, that is.
__________________________________________________ _____________________

I have to presume by your comment, JJ that you indeed know semaphore.
Otherwise, you look stupid when you chastise them for a skill you don't
possess. And, of course -- I'm sure it's just plain LAZINESS on your part.
What else could it be?

Arnie -
KT4ST

Arnie Macy wrote:
"JJ" wrote ...

You mean you and Larry boy don't know semaphore Dick? Why that is just
plain LAZINESS. You know, when conditions are so bad that you and Larry have
to rely on CW and your faithful CW rigs gives up the ghost or conditions get
SO bad that CW can't even get through you and Larry could save the world by
using semaphore, if you had that skill, that is.
__________________________________________________ _____________________

I have to presume by your comment, JJ that you indeed know semaphore.
Otherwise, you look stupid when you chastise them for a skill you don't
possess. And, of course -- I'm sure it's just plain LAZINESS on your part.
What else could it be?

No, I don't know semaphore, and I don't tout it as being some
ancient mode of communication that will save the world either.

Arnie Macy wrote:
"JJ" wrote ...

You mean you and Larry boy don't know semaphore Dick? Why that is just
plain LAZINESS. You know, when conditions are so bad that you and Larry have
to rely on CW and your faithful CW rigs gives up the ghost or conditions get
SO bad that CW can't even get through you and Larry could save the world by
using semaphore, if you had that skill, that is.
__________________________________________________ _____________________

I have to presume by your comment, JJ that you indeed know semaphore.
Otherwise, you look stupid when you chastise them for a skill you don't
possess. And, of course -- I'm sure it's just plain LAZINESS on your part.
What else could it be?


And yaknow what? If knowing semaphore was a requirement for a Ham
ticket, I'd learn it.

- Mike KB3EIA -

How about a different parallel?? Drivers licenses! How many here have
earned ALL endorsements/license classes for their drivers license? i.e.
motorcycle operators permit etc.

Those that haven't must just be lazy too eh?


--
Ryan, KC8PMX
FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!)
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Dick Carroll wrote:



Mygawd, Dwight, are you really licensed as a ham? And *that's* all you
know of
radiotelegraphy?
You been hiding out in the wilderness somewhere, in a cave? What do you
think
it was that started
radio in the first place, semaphores?

You mean you and Larry boy don't know semaphore Dick? Why that is
just plain LAZINESS. You know, when conditions are so bad that you
and Larry have to rely on CW and your faithful CW rigs gives up
the ghost or conditions get SO bad that CW can't even get through
you and Larry could save the world by using semaphore, if you had
that skill, that is.

"Dick Carroll" wrote:

Dwight Stewart wrote:

(snip) Amazing that this would become a key focus of
testing in ham radio for so many years.

(snip) What do you think it was that started radio in
the first place, semaphores?


Radio's start was a very long time ago, Dick. And I can understand that.
However, it is the "for so many years" part of my comment that I find
amazing. Here we are so many, many, years later still focused on that.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

Dick Carroll wrote in :



Dwight Stewart wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote:

Dwight Stewart wrote:

Isn't Code more of a skill than a knowledge? Any
person can look at a piece of paper with a code
chart on it and translate code, but that doesn't
mean they have the skill to send or receive code
over a radio. Wasn't the latter the ultimate purpose of the code
test?

One must know the Morse code to send and recieve it.

You're right. Perhaps memorizing the individual sequence of sounds
associated with a letter of the alphabet is knowledge on some very
basic level, similar to a young child memorizing the sounds associated
with the letters of the alphabet. Amazing that this would become a key
focus of testing in ham radio for so many years.

\


Mygawd, Dwight, are you really licensed as a ham? And *that's* all you
know of radiotelegraphy?
You been hiding out in the wilderness somewhere, in a cave? What do
you think it was that started
radio in the first place, semaphores?



Phone goes back a long way. Yes, Marconi started out with Morse code, but
AM was only a few years behind.

There was phone even when people used spark. A circuit patented by Elihu
Thomson to keep arc lamps burning was adapted by Prof Duddell FRS to keep
a spark going continously for this purpose. This type of transmitter was
used by DeForrest in his famous voice coverage of the yacht race from New
York harbour. His 'Audion' (triode) was not used in the transmitter as
most assume, but in the regenerative receiver used to pick up his spark AM
signals on shore. This was because he hadn't figured out that it could be
used to amplify, so it predated TRF receivers even.

Even before DeForrest, the first transmission of AM over one mile took
place on Cobb Island, Maryland, on December 12, 1900. The system was
designed by Fessenden, a Canadian whose research was funded by the weather
service in the US. He used a spark gap driven by a high frequency
alternator, commonly used to produce Morse at several kW of RF back then,
but he had an 80 kHz alternator specially made for him by Poulsen, another
pioneer in his own right. By exciting the gap with an alternator running
at a frequency _above_ audio he was able to make maybe a kW of AM, whereas
the Thomson/Dudell design made far less power (a few watts). Unfortunately
he had to rely on some sort of rectifier with no amplification or
regeneration for the receiver, hence only being able to hear a kW of AM no
more than one mile away.

Moving on just a couple more years, the earliest published circuits I have
seen for continuous wave transmitters, such as those by John Scott-
Taggart, show a mic as well as a key. They would, of course, as phone was
known for spark transmitters. CW, of course, originally stood for
continuous wave in the sense of 'not spark', and was applied to AM as well
as Morse. I do use that kind of CW!

"Dick Carroll" wrote in message
...

Dwight Stewart wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote:

Dwight Stewart wrote:

Isn't Code more of a skill than a knowledge? Any
person can look at a piece of paper with a code
chart on it and translate code, but that doesn't
mean they have the skill to send or receive code
over a radio. Wasn't the latter the ultimate
purpose of the code test?

One must know the Morse code to send and recieve it.

You're right. Perhaps memorizing the individual sequence of sounds
associated with a letter of the alphabet is knowledge on some very basic
level, similar to a young child memorizing the sounds associated with
the
letters of the alphabet. Amazing that this would become a key focus of
testing in ham radio for so many years.

\


Mygawd, Dwight, are you really licensed as a ham? And *that's* all you
know of
radiotelegraphy?
You been hiding out in the wilderness somewhere, in a cave? What do you
think
it was that started
radio in the first place, semaphores?


No doubt what started ham radio was an experiment using the best of what was
around then. Perhaps you'd like to move into the most recent century, Dick.
If ham radio were "invented" today, it would never even get near CW.

Kim W5TIT


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"Kim W5TIT" wrote in
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"Dick Carroll" wrote in message
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Dwight Stewart wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote:

Dwight Stewart wrote:

Isn't Code more of a skill than a knowledge? Any
person can look at a piece of paper with a code
chart on it and translate code, but that doesn't
mean they have the skill to send or receive code
over a radio. Wasn't the latter the ultimate purpose of the code
test?

One must know the Morse code to send and recieve it.

You're right. Perhaps memorizing the individual sequence of sounds
associated with a letter of the alphabet is knowledge on some very
basic level, similar to a young child memorizing the sounds
associated with the letters of the alphabet. Amazing that this would
become a key focus of testing in ham radio for so many years.

\


Mygawd, Dwight, are you really licensed as a ham? And *that's* all you
know of radiotelegraphy? You been hiding out in the wilderness
somewhere, in a cave? What do you think it was that started
radio in the first place, semaphores?


No doubt what started ham radio was an experiment using the best of
what was around then. Perhaps you'd like to move into the most recent
century, Dick. If ham radio were "invented" today, it would never even
get near CW.

Kim W5TIT


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Do you know why, though Kim. Morse intended his system to be 100%
automated. Sending by hand and receiving by ear only came about because
the electro-mechanical systems of the day were unreliable. This happened
even before radio was invented. So you're right, now we use computers for
data modes a chain of events like that would be impossible.