"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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Carl R. Stevenson wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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Carl R. Stevenson wrote:


I have reported that, in my over 32 years in the RF communications
business, I have worked with MANY very competent engineers who
would be interested in ham radio, but can't/won't be bothered with
wasting their time jumping through a silly Morse code "hoop."

Some have become hams since they could get meaningful HF privs
for "only" 5 wpm ... I'm sure that more will once they can do the
same without having to waste their time on even 5 wpm ... these
are folks that could pass a technical test well beyond the Extra.
Do you doubt that, even without Morse proficiency, they could/would
make good hams and could contribute to the service?

I dunno. I doubt it though. I wonder if a person who doesn't want to
jump through hoops is going to do much of anything that he/she doesn't
want to do.

Mike,

Do you seriously believe that just because someone is not interested in
Morse that they could not be interested in, and contribute in valuable
ways to, other aspects of ham radio?

"Elmering" new hams who are not technical on the technical aspects
designing new modes
writing useful ham software
building networks
public service communications
emergency/disaster communications
"SKYWARN"
etc., etc.

Just because someone isn't interested in jumping through the Morse
hoop, doesn't mean that they are so selfish that they can't/won't
contribute.

Umm, Carl.... you are here! You have have achieved your goal, at least
will be very soon. I'm going to have to assume the reason is to engage
in a little gloating? So you're getting what you want on all counts. You
really wouldn't have to hear all us PCTA's crying if you didn't want to.

In other words, if you want to discuss it, we're here. Lessay we all do
what you want, and "just live with it". I guess that means we're
supposed to shut up. Then you wouldn't have the fun of discussing it
with us, or even telling us to "just live with it".

I don't think you would like that very much..

I'm not here to gloat ... I'm here to make sure that newcomers hear
the news and aren't overly tainted by being totally awash in PCTAs
to the point that they think all hams are that way and decide that ham
radio isn't really for them after all, because of a false perception that
it's totally populated with the sort of folks that they'd really not like to
associate. :-)

Carl - wk3c

Carl R. Stevenson wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message

I dunno. I doubt it though. I wonder if a person who doesn't want to
jump through hoops is going to do much of anything that he/she doesn't
want to do.


Mike,

Do you seriously believe that just because someone is not interested in
Morse that they could not be interested in, and contribute in valuable
ways to, other aspects of ham radio?

Do you seriously not believe that?

An engineer can always get a technician's license. Why aren't we seeing
this happening? At least in my area, the Engineers with tech licenses
are there as they transition through the ranks.

"Elmering" new hams who are not technical on the technical aspects

designing new modes

writing useful ham software

building networks

public service communications

A technician engineer can do that

emergency/disaster communications
"SKYWARN"
etc., etc.

A technician Engineer can do all of these things.

Just because someone isn't interested in jumping through the Morse
hoop, doesn't mean that they are so selfish that they can't/won't
contribute.

If your premise is true, then why aren't there loads of Technician level
Engineers? In fact, I would give a whole lot more credence to a group of
technically savvy Engineers who have their Technician's license, and
they tell the ARRL and FCC. "Hey here we are folks! We're not going one
level past Technician because we simply don't believe in the Morse code
requirement."

It would have been nice to have hordes of technically competent
Technician level Engineers at the vangaurd of the Anti-Morse movement.

Instead we apparently have those who say "we won't participate at all
unless everything is to our liking, if your premise is to be believed.


Umm, Carl.... you are here! You have have achieved your goal, at least
will be very soon. I'm going to have to assume the reason is to engage
in a little gloating? So you're getting what you want on all counts. You
really wouldn't have to hear all us PCTA's crying if you didn't want to.

In other words, if you want to discuss it, we're here. Lessay we all do
what you want, and "just live with it". I guess that means we're
supposed to shut up. Then you wouldn't have the fun of discussing it
with us, or even telling us to "just live with it".

I don't think you would like that very much..


I'm not here to gloat ... I'm here to make sure that newcomers hear
the news and aren't overly tainted by being totally awash in PCTAs
to the point that they think all hams are that way and decide that ham
radio isn't really for them after all, because of a false perception that
it's totally populated with the sort of folks that they'd really not like to
associate. :-)

I think you just said that a person who is a PCTA is someone not to be
associated with?!?!?!?!?

Thanks for the "locker room wall" post! 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote:

Carl R. Stevenson wrote:

I'm not here to gloat ... I'm here to make sure that newcomers hear
the news and aren't overly tainted by being totally awash in PCTAs
to the point that they think all hams are that way and decide that ham
radio isn't really for them after all, because of a false perception that
it's totally populated with the sort of folks that they'd really not like to
associate. :-)

I think you just said that a person who is a PCTA is someone not to be
associated with?!?!?!?!?

Thanks for the "locker room wall" post! 8^)

Mike, that's mild stuff for Carl. Go Googling for his posts and get an
education in bilgewater postings.

"Dick Carroll" wrote in message
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Mike Coslo wrote:

Carl R. Stevenson wrote:

I'm not here to gloat ... I'm here to make sure that newcomers hear
the news and aren't overly tainted by being totally awash in PCTAs
to the point that they think all hams are that way and decide that ham
radio isn't really for them after all, because of a false perception
that
it's totally populated with the sort of folks that they'd really not
like to
associate. :-)

I think you just said that a person who is a PCTA is someone not
to be
associated with?!?!?!?!?

Thanks for the "locker room wall" post! 8^)

Mike, that's mild stuff for Carl. Go Googling for his posts and get an
education in bilgewater postings.


I think some PCTAs are darned great people and I have no problem associating
with them. I think some NCTAs are darned great people and I have no problem
associating with them. Now, you Dick, as a PCTA? Well, Carl's expression
above says it all.

Kim W5TIT


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Kim W5TIT wrote:


I think some PCTAs are darned great people and I have no problem associating
with them. I think some NCTAs are darned great people and I have no problem
associating with them. Now, you Dick, as a PCTA? Well, Carl's expression
above says it all.

Kim W5TIT

Larry and Dick are perfect examples of the elitist types of hams
to whom a new or prospective ham attends a ham club meeting sees
as an example of ham radio, and decides they don't want to have
anything to do with ham radio.

JJ wrote:

Kim W5TIT wrote:


I think some PCTAs are darned great people and I have no problem associating
with them. I think some NCTAs are darned great people and I have no problem
associating with them. Now, you Dick, as a PCTA? Well, Carl's expression
above says it all.

Kim W5TIT

Larry and Dick are perfect examples of the elitist types of hams
to whom a new or prospective ham attends a ham club meeting sees
as an example of ham radio, and decides they don't want to have
anything to do with ham radio.

JJ you're about as dippy as they're made these days. One of us says he beleives
that it's important for hams to learn to do morse code because it's a good, really
simple and viable communications mode for hams, and suddenly you've got us all
packaged up as ogres. You haven't a single clue, and you'r so far off that
you have no clue that you have no clue. Probably a good thing, dipschitz like you,
if intelligent, might be something of an annoyance. As it is you come in somewhere
below a gnat.

Dick Carroll wrote:



JJ you're about as dippy as they're made these days. One of us says he beleives
that it's important for hams to learn to do morse code because it's a good, really
simple and viable communications mode for hams, and suddenly you've got us all
packaged up as ogres. You haven't a single clue, and you'r so far off that
you have no clue that you have no clue. Probably a good thing, dipschitz like you,
if intelligent, might be something of an annoyance. As it is you come in somewhere
below a gnat.


I haven't packaged anyone who supports CW mode as an ogre, just
those who choose to use derogatory terms to describe fellow hams
who choose not to learn or use CW or put the importance on it you
do, you know, like those dumbed-down lowly, not "real hams"
good-for-nothing, no-techical knowledge, no-coders.

I must really get under your skin Dickie.

JJ wrote:


Kim W5TIT wrote:


I think some PCTAs are darned great people and I have no problem
associating
with them. I think some NCTAs are darned great people and I have no
problem
associating with them. Now, you Dick, as a PCTA? Well, Carl's
expression
above says it all.

Kim W5TIT


Larry and Dick are perfect examples of the elitist types of hams to whom
a new or prospective ham attends a ham club meeting sees as an example
of ham radio, and decides they don't want to have anything to do with
ham radio.

Gee, you guys are sensitive! Both Larry and Dick are very outspoken,
and I have disagreed with both of them at times. So What??? I like them
both.

Who the heck say everyone has to agree with everyone else?

- Mike KB3EIA -

JJ wrote:


Kim W5TIT wrote:


I think some PCTAs are darned great people and I have no problem
associating
with them. I think some NCTAs are darned great people and I have no
problem
associating with them. Now, you Dick, as a PCTA? Well, Carl's
expression
above says it all.

Kim W5TIT


Larry and Dick are perfect examples of the elitist types of hams to whom
a new or prospective ham attends a ham club meeting sees as an example
of ham radio, and decides they don't want to have anything to do with
ham radio.

Hey JJ, you have a real name and maybe a callsign? Or are you just here
from the cb group doing a little trolling?

- Mike KB3EIA -