"Alun Palmer" wrote in message
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"Guessing" wrote in
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Alun I respect you opinions. Just like I don't like some laws (blue or
otherwise) and CC&R's in the HOA in which I live -- I can express a personal
emotion or opinion as you have. But my point is that thousands who hate the
code have passed the code test because they had to in order to achieve their
goals. If one's desire to get on HF is high enough, the code should not be a
deterrent as many have proved. And they didn't like proving it.

I still maintain it is all a matter of achieve or cop out. Make
excuses or meet a challenge.
And you are correct "Code aptitude and IQ are completely unrelated" So
much for the "Engineer copout"

It has nothing to do whether you or I like or dislike the code.

I disagree. If someone doesn't like CW, why on earth should they be forced
to train as a CW operator to get accesss to phone frequencies? This is a
hobby.

Because the FCC sez so -- don't mix emotions with the law.
It is not a hobby -- FCC Part 97 sez it is a Service. (That ought to stir up
a hornets nest!!)

It has nothing to do with "Antiquated technology"

I don't think CW can match PSK or TOR, so it is somewhat antiquated, IMHO

Besides the point

It has nothing to do with "I'll never use code"

On the contrary. I don't use code, so why did I have to learn to use it?

FCC sez so -- you are making an excuse to avoid the requirement. Logic has
nothing to do with it -- its the law. Ask a lawyer about that one. Hey I
want to be a BSEE, why do I have to take History classes ????

It has everything to do with "Want HF Ham Ticket -- Pass the Test "(at
the moment) If dropped is all OK with me. Times and requirements change
as they should.


So you have no trouble with the oncoming changes, then?

None at all.

Black and white -- yep sure is -- society, government, et al make it
that way. Don't Drink and Drive, 3 strikes you are outta here -- Pass
the Test -- pretty black and white to me.


So you don't beleive anyone should try to change any of the rules?

Of course change is inevitable. But for now -- buckle up

As for Anyone who used the code as an excuse for not becoming a
ham, just
wasn't serious about it.

An unsupported assertion, and untrue

I have talked with hundreds and I mean hundreds of folks and VE's over
the years and here are the copouts.

I don't have time. The most common one. VE's here have found that 15
min a day EVERY day practice and in a month --90%+ pass the code test
BUT the other 10% spend all night on the boob tube.


Usually that is just an excuse, I agree. My XYL uses it all the time!
Mine Too !!

I'll never use code. (You may never have to parallel park either) (if
they still require that)

No, that one is valid.

Try telling that to the FCC -- meantime Pass The Test

I can't take tests (Has Drivers License and a BSEE)

Its a lot easier to get on CB

Its too expensive (has $1000 computer, can't afford a Swan 350 at $250)


That one makes me smile too

Its so illogical (so is a job interview at times)

Notice I didn't even mention whether I am a Ham or not -- Tech no-code
or Extra ---pro or anti-code -- cause that ain't got nothing to do
with -- PASS THE TEST


"Alun Palmer" wrote in message
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"Guessing" wrote in
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Someone squawked
As an engineer myself, I can verfiy that lots of engineers have
told me exactly that. Whether they would get a licence once code
testing is abolished might be another matter.

Nonsense and a big copout

It happens to be the truth, whether you like it or not


If you want a BS/MS/PHD Degree -- pass the tests
Want a driver license -- take a test
Want a job - take a drug test and physical exam and perhaps a
professional test
Want insurance -- take a physical exam
Want to be an apprentice (JourneyPerson) -- take the test
Want to advance in the Military -- take the test
Pass the Bar (Legal that is) Pass Da Test
Nurses CPR for sure and maybe ACLS Tests
Sobriety Test -- Try to dodge this one
et al tests
Want an HF Ham license -- take the code and Technical/Rules et al
test

Code won't be included in that for much longer. I assume that since
you just say 'take the test' about everything, that you must have no
problem with that. I certainly don't!

Otherwise we have CB and FRS. And one who listens on these bands
ought to be totally inspired to get a Ham Ticket !!!

Simple as that.


You live in a 'black and white' world, don't you?

Anyone who used the code as an excuse for not becoming a ham, just
wasn't serious about it.


An unsupported assertion, and untrue

If 10 to 17 year olds can do it, why can't an engineer or any other
college grad ???


Code aptitude and IQ are completely unrelated

Did any of those "Engineers" get a No-Code Tech license ??

Yes, I did (although I did code eventually)

Didn't think so !!