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Ask a lawyer about that one. Hey I want to be a BSEE, why do I
have to take History classes ????

You don't have to take history classes in some schools
to get a BSEE.


Broaden the category to Socio-Humanistic electives or whatever
equivalent term that your college uses and you will find that you do
have to take a certain amount of them. And everyone regardless of
major has to take English even though they should already be
proficient at that before they get there. You have to take quite a
few "unnecessary" courses in college to get a degree in any field.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



I'm against that too. BTW, I got my EE degree in England, and you
don't have to go through any of that wholly irrelevant stuff. No
English, no social studies of any kind, no chemistry (which I
understand is oftem required over here).

It depends on whether you consider colleges and universities as
institutions of higher learning or as job training schools. If the
former then the various non-degreee specific classes are appropriate.
If the latter, then they are not.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



I beleive in free choice. If someone wants to study a broad programme they
can, but I don't beleive in forcing people to study things they don't want
to, at least not beyond the age of 16, and even then only to avoid
illiteracy and innumeracy.

My own interests are not atall narrow, but they are eclectic. They include
poetry, archaeology and languages, for example. If, however, a poetry
class were to be compulsory in an EE curriculum, I feel strongly that it
would be wrong. You can't force people to become well-rounded. Force
feeding is a poor sort of education.

I do not beleive that it is necessary to make people study unwanted
classes to qualify as an institution of higher learning, more that it
disqualifies the college.

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Ask a lawyer about that one. Hey I want to be a BSEE, why do I
have to take History classes ????

You don't have to take history classes in some schools
to get a BSEE.


Broaden the category to Socio-Humanistic electives or whatever
equivalent term that your college uses and you will find that you do
have to take a certain amount of them. And everyone regardless of
major has to take English even though they should already be
proficient at that before they get there. You have to take quite a
few "unnecessary" courses in college to get a degree in any field.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



I'm against that too. BTW, I got my EE degree in England, and you
don't have to go through any of that wholly irrelevant stuff. No
English, no social studies of any kind, no chemistry (which I
understand is oftem required over here).

It depends on whether you consider colleges and universities as
institutions of higher learning or as job training schools. If the
former then the various non-degreee specific classes are appropriate.
If the latter, then they are not.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




I beleive in free choice. If someone wants to study a broad programme they
can, but I don't beleive in forcing people to study things they don't want
to, at least not beyond the age of 16, and even then only to avoid
illiteracy and innumeracy.

Ahh, now your starting to qualify yourself and are no longer pure!

Why should someone have to learn ANYTHING they don't want to. If a
person wants to remain illiterate, then so be it. Why should children be
forced to go to school if they don't want to. Why should I have to take
any training whatsoever, just call myself an engineer.


My own interests are not atall narrow, but they are eclectic. They include
poetry, archaeology and languages, for example. If, however, a poetry
class were to be compulsory in an EE curriculum, I feel strongly that it
would be wrong. You can't force people to become well-rounded. Force
feeding is a poor sort of education.


I do not beleive that it is necessary to make people study unwanted
classes to qualify as an institution of higher learning, more that it
disqualifies the college.

You must be related to our friend Vipul! At least you think alike.

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo writes:

Some people want to be narrowly focused. If you are that way, so be it.

But don't dismiss those of us who think there is more out there.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...those of you who think like you do are dismissing everyone
who doesn't think like you.

The old double standard still flies proudly over the PCTA camp!

LHA

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Ask a lawyer about that one. Hey I want to be a BSEE, why do I
have to take History classes ????

You don't have to take history classes in some schools
to get a BSEE.


Broaden the category to Socio-Humanistic electives or whatever
equivalent term that your college uses and you will find that you do
have to take a certain amount of them. And everyone regardless of
major has to take English even though they should already be
proficient at that before they get there. You have to take quite a
few "unnecessary" courses in college to get a degree in any field.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



I'm against that too. BTW, I got my EE degree in England, and you
don't have to go through any of that wholly irrelevant stuff. No
English, no social studies of any kind, no chemistry (which I
understand is oftem required over here).

It depends on whether you consider colleges and universities as
institutions of higher learning or as job training schools. If the
former then the various non-degreee specific classes are appropriate.
If the latter, then they are not.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE




I beleive in free choice. If someone wants to study a broad programme
they can, but I don't beleive in forcing people to study things they
don't want to, at least not beyond the age of 16, and even then only
to avoid illiteracy and innumeracy.

Ahh, now your starting to qualify yourself and are no longer pure!

Why should someone have to learn ANYTHING they don't want to. If a
person wants to remain illiterate, then so be it. Why should children
be forced to go to school if they don't want to. Why should I have to
take any training whatsoever, just call myself an engineer.


My own interests are not atall narrow, but they are eclectic. They
include poetry, archaeology and languages, for example. If, however, a
poetry class were to be compulsory in an EE curriculum, I feel
strongly that it would be wrong. You can't force people to become
well-rounded. Force feeding is a poor sort of education.


I do not beleive that it is necessary to make people study unwanted
classes to qualify as an institution of higher learning, more that it
disqualifies the college.

You must be related to our friend Vipul! At least you think alike.

- Mike KB3EIA -



Well, he's clearly Indian, and I'm British, so it wouldn't surprise me if
we share some views in common and don't buy into the received wisdom of
the US of A.

Alun Palmer wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in
some snippage

Alun Palmer wrote:

I do not beleive that it is necessary to make people study unwanted
classes to qualify as an institution of higher learning, more that it
disqualifies the college.

You must be related to our friend Vipul! At least you think alike.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Well, he's clearly Indian, and I'm British, so it wouldn't surprise me if
we share some views in common and don't buy into the received wisdom of
the US of A.

Come on, Alun. Let's not go all nationalistic on us here.


Can you predict what you will make use of in your career? Right now, I
am making full use of my art classes, my technical classes, my
careerlong professional development, and all the other classes I took,
even though some seemed irrelevant at the time.


- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote in :

Alun Palmer wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in some snippage

Alun Palmer wrote:

I do not beleive that it is necessary to make people study unwanted
classes to qualify as an institution of higher learning, more that it
disqualifies the college.

You must be related to our friend Vipul! At least you think
alike.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Well, he's clearly Indian, and I'm British, so it wouldn't surprise me
if we share some views in common and don't buy into the received
wisdom of the US of A.

Come on, Alun. Let's not go all nationalistic on us here.


Can you predict what you will make use of in your career? Right
now, I
am making full use of my art classes, my technical classes, my
careerlong professional development, and all the other classes I took,
even though some seemed irrelevant at the time.


- Mike KB3EIA -



I have no beef against your EE degrees. Given that they are a whole year
longer than ours I'm sure you can afford to cover irrelevant stuff without
missing anything important. I just feel sorry for the poor students who
have to sit through it, that's all!

Alun Palmer wrote in message . ..

Well, he's clearly Indian, and I'm British, so it wouldn't surprise me if
we share some views in common and don't buy into the received wisdom of
the US of A.

Alun, what a curious statement. What does being Indian and British,
and not American, that allows you to have some views in common?

Brian

(Brian) wrote in
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Alun Palmer wrote in message
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Well, he's clearly Indian, and I'm British, so it wouldn't surprise me
if we share some views in common and don't buy into the received
wisdom of the US of A.

Alun, what a curious statement. What does being Indian and British,
and not American, that allows you to have some views in common?

Brian


Well who do you think ruled India during the Raj? I'm not proud of it, but
it does give us a certain common heritage.

Alun Palmer wrote in message . ..
(Brian) wrote in
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Alun Palmer wrote in message
. ..

Well, he's clearly Indian, and I'm British, so it wouldn't surprise me
if we share some views in common and don't buy into the received
wisdom of the US of A.

Alun, what a curious statement. What does being Indian and British,
and not American, that allows you to have some views in common?

Brian


Well who do you think ruled India during the Raj? I'm not proud of it, but
it does give us a certain common heritage.

Who do you think may have rules America prior to our independance?

On 16 Jul 2003 03:04:30 GMT, Alun Palmer wrote:

Alun, what a curious statement. What does being Indian and British,
and not American, that allows you to have some views in common?

Well who do you think ruled India during the Raj? I'm not proud of it, but
it does give us a certain common heritage.

Yes - it makes each of you want to be the other. Just like an Oreo
cookie.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane