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Alun Palmer wrote:
I don't beleive either academic degrees or ham licences should require unnecessary stuff, that's all. Tell me what shouldn't be taught. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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Mike Coslo wrote in :
Alun Palmer wrote: I don't beleive either academic degrees or ham licences should require unnecessary stuff, that's all. Tell me what shouldn't be taught. - Mike KB3EIA - I'm sure you can work it out |
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in
y.com: "Alun Palmer" wrote in message ... (Len Over 21) wrote in : In article , Alun Palmer writes: I'm against that too. BTW, I got my EE degree in England, and you don't have to go through any of that wholly irrelevant stuff. No English, no social studies of any kind, no chemistry (which I understand is oftem required over here). Alun, California state undergraduate requirements in the 1960s had two semesters of American History. Considering our history, like from the 1776 breakaway, that isn't comparable to what you had to do in the UK. :-) :-) :-) I don't know why there is such a fervor of the PCTAs to equate an academic degree with an amateur radio license class that requires a demonstrated skill at morsemanship. Maybe the PCTA have a need to stay with the King Kode rulers of the ARS kingdom? :-) LHA I don't beleive either academic degrees or ham licences should require unnecessary stuff, that's all. Since there is no way to predict where your future interests may lie, it's impossible to say unequivocally what is unnecessary stuff. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Well, here's an idea. Should you find later that you need to learn about something, have you ever heard of books? I find them very useful. |
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On 16 Jul 2003 03:06:13 GMT, Alun Palmer wrote:
Well, here's an idea. Should you find later that you need to learn about something, have you ever heard of books? I find them very useful. How long does one have to read the book to learn how to play the piano? -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane |
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Phil Kane wrote:
On 16 Jul 2003 03:06:13 GMT, Alun Palmer wrote: Well, here's an idea. Should you find later that you need to learn about something, have you ever heard of books? I find them very useful. How long does one have to read the book to learn how to play the piano? Game, set, match, Phil...... - Mike KB3EIA - |
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Phil Kane wrote:
On 16 Jul 2003 03:06:13 GMT, Alun Palmer wrote: Well, here's an idea. Should you find later that you need to learn about something, have you ever heard of books? I find them very useful. How long does one have to read the book to learn how to play the piano? Why should one be forced to learn to play the piano if what one REALLY wants to do is to play one or more OTHER instruments? Would there be ANY sense in a rule that said "You can't play any other instrument, no matter how good you might be at it, unless you first demonstrate that you can play the piano proficiently." ??? I don't think so ... Carl - wk3c |
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![]() "Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message ... Phil Kane wrote: On 16 Jul 2003 03:06:13 GMT, Alun Palmer wrote: Well, here's an idea. Should you find later that you need to learn about something, have you ever heard of books? I find them very useful. How long does one have to read the book to learn how to play the piano? Why should one be forced to learn to play the piano if what one REALLY wants to do is to play one or more OTHER instruments? Would there be ANY sense in a rule that said "You can't play any other instrument, no matter how good you might be at it, unless you first demonstrate that you can play the piano proficiently." ??? I don't think so ... Carl - wk3c You have to learn to play the piano to get a degree in music whether you plan to be a teacher or performer on some other instrument. Even if you will never have a need to play the piano, you still must learn it to get that music degree. However they don't have to become proficient on the piano just like hams don't have to become proficient at Morse. In either case, they only have to learn the basics. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message ...
Phil Kane wrote: On 16 Jul 2003 03:06:13 GMT, Alun Palmer wrote: Well, here's an idea. Should you find later that you need to learn about something, have you ever heard of books? I find them very useful. How long does one have to read the book to learn how to play the piano? Why should one be forced to learn to play the piano if what one REALLY wants to do is to play one or more OTHER instruments? Nobody is "forced". Those who want a music degree from a particular institution may have piano as a requirement for the degree, but they are not "forced" to learn it unless they are also "forced" to attend the institution and "forced" to get the degree. The requirements are set by those who run the institutions, who probably know more about music than the students. OTOH, millions of young children today are "forced" to learn how to do basic arithmetic even though inexpensive calculators have been around for decades. Even though most professional/commercial/military arithemtic is done by computers and calculators far faster and with less error than any human. Would there be ANY sense in a rule that said "You can't play any other instrument, no matter how good you might be at it, unless you first demonstrate that you can play the piano proficiently." ??? All depends on who defines "proficiently". The amateur radio code test we have now is roughly equivalent to being able to pound out a few bars of "Chopsticks" with two fingers on the piano. Even the old code tests didn't get much beyond the "Heart and Soul" level, compared to what was considered proficient by knowledgeable folks. Would you have a problem with a "Chopsticks" requirement? Because that's about what we have now. For comparison, consider the old US Navy Radioman "A" level test, as given in 1958. Required the copy of 5 symbol coded groups at 24 wpm. On a standard Navy mill (manual typewriter). For a solid hour, with no more than 3 errors. I don't think so ... Do you play any musical instruments? -- But hey, we're missing the point here. Why should any musical performance skill be needed to get a music degree, unless a person wants to be a performer? This is the 21st century, and we've got synthesizers out the wazoo that cost far less than, say, a Martin guitar or a Steinway piano. And which are much easier to learn how to use. Why focus so much time and effort on learning a "manual motor skill" to play one instrument - any instrument - when there are machines which will do the job with much less effort and error-free? This isn't far-fetched. The new contract for musicians who play on Broadway has reduced the size of the orchestra required for a Broadway musical performance, and allows for the use of recorded and synthesized music. (Musicians are a major cost item in Broadway stage prodcutions - or so the producers tell us). Why not go one better and simply use recorded/synthesized music in all long-running shows? The movies have done it for years, although once they used live music. Heck, some folks are even beginning to use synthesized voices rather than singers, as was done in some of the music for the 1997 blockbuster "Titanic". (Celine Dion is a real human, however). Don't shoot me, I'm not the piano player. 73 de Jim, N2EY |