(snip)

|
| I still wonder about that AM tower I once passed in Santa Clara,CA
that was
| sitting on a salt marsh right at sea level....do they have all that
wire in the
| ground, er, water, too?


Not sure on that one. I haven't ever seen AM towers with salt marsh
surrounding it, but in that case they sure would put out a much better
signal than a tower located away on dry rocky ground with all the
buried radials.
|
| As far as BPL is concerned, BIG PROBLEMS LOOM for almost all
licensed
| services, including amateur radio if this is allowed.
|
| That was exactly what I said in my comments to FCC on the docket:
|
| "The use of the HF part of the spectrum as we have always known it
| will be ended".
|
| Dick

Well stated, Dick. I totally agree.

73, Sam

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:04:29 -0600, \"Sparky\" wrote:

| I still wonder about that AM tower I once passed in Santa Clara,CA
that was sitting on a salt marsh right at sea level....do they have all
that wire in the ground, er, water, too? Not sure on that one.

There's no AM tower in Santa Clara (or at least none in the last 40
years that I know of), let alone one that meets that description.
There's one in Palo Alto (1220 kHz) and yes, it has the standard
120-radial ground system. The ground there isn't all -that- wet.

In "the good old days" the radials were 8 AWG copper, but after
several stations got their ground systems torn out by thieves who
sold the copper on the scrap metal market, almost everybody replaced
them with 8 AWG Copperweld, which has the same rf electrical
properties but has no value on the scrap metal market.

I haven't ever seen AM towers with salt marsh surrounding it,

There are several other AM stations in the Bay Area whose antenna
arrays are located right at the water line. In those cases, the
radials go out from the base and into the Bay, which is tidal.

but in that case they sure would put out a much better signal than a
tower located away on dry rocky ground with all the buried radials.

The ground system and conductivity are but two elements in the
antenna efficiency. Other factors are the electrical height and the
spacing and phasing of elements in a directive array.

AM antenna design is more of an art than a science.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

Phil Kane wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:04:29 -0600, \"Sparky\" wrote:

| I still wonder about that AM tower I once passed in Santa Clara,CA
that was sitting on a salt marsh right at sea level....do they have all
that wire in the ground, er, water, too? Not sure on that one.

There's no AM tower in Santa Clara (or at least none in the last 40
years that I know of), let alone one that meets that description.

OOP! that Should have been Santa Cruz. Ya know, the place with the big boardwalk
and all the thong bikinis.......



There's one in Palo Alto (1220 kHz) and yes, it has the standard
120-radial ground system. The ground there isn't all -that- wet.


This one is right above the water level on a slough of some sort, I didn't get
that good a look but observed it as we drove past. Sure looked like an local AM
tower
of the sort I've worked around.




In "the good old days" the radials were 8 AWG copper, but after
several stations got their ground systems torn out by thieves who
sold the copper on the scrap metal market, almost everybody replaced
them with 8 AWG Copperweld, which has the same rf electrical
properties but has no value on the scrap metal market.

We still had all the copper radials at the (smaller) stations I worked for.
Evidently the locals were adverse to working for it.