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"Radio Amateur KC2HMZ" wrote in message ... On 24 Jul 2003 00:22:02 GMT, (N2EY) wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: I think things like that only help the case for CW. The newbies were looking at that paddle on the bench, and you could see the gears turning.... I've seen that happen time and again. The CW setups at Field Day get the most attention from nonhams, for some reason. Wierdness always attracts attention. That's why at the circus, the line to get in and see the three-legged lady is longer than the line to get in and see the dancing girls. 73 DE John, KC2HMZ I always prefered a good looking girl to a three legged freak myself. Dan/W4NTI |
"Vshah101" wrote in message ... I just found some long time ago report I wrote on essential education.(It was long before I got an amateur radio licence or knew that there was such a thing). Surprising, among other things, I wrote that I wanted to learn Morse code. Never was obcessed about it. In fact, I forgot I even wrote that. At that time, I just believed that its something one should learn. I no longer believe that. I know how you feel. At one time I liked anyone with a ham license. I no longer feel that way. Dan/W4NTI |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... There is something magical about watching the exchanges. I'll never be good at it, but I love watching the fast guys n' gals work. - Mike KB3EIA - One can always improve their own abilities however even if you never get to be a super star. So jump on in, the water's fine even if you have to swim slow. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE (not yet fast on CW but striving to be) |
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
Vshah101 wrote: From N2EY: I've seen that happen time and again. The CW setups at Field Day get the most attention from nonhams, for some reason. How did non-Hams see any setup, not even a CW setup, at field day? Were they invited or did they see the field day setup when they were driving by, and decided to stop by? Also, were they male or female, and about what ages were they? Were they anti-social? Did they just stop by, or stay a while? Please explain. ------------------------------------------------------------------ At this year's Field Day, we had a (*rather un-attractive) female non-Ham visitor. Shame on you. Where on earth do you get off saying something like that? ----------------------------------------------------------------- *Sorry I don't qualify for any sensitivity awards. NO you don't. Judging by his other comments on contesting-vs-competition I doubt he could qualify for ANY kind of award. I'll tell ya what, though...Vipul is making his own rants about the general state of social interaction of Amatuers come true. If I were a non-Amateur today and Vipul was my example of what constituted an "average" Amateur, I'd stick with CB too! And if I was female...?!?! saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-LAP! 73 Steve, K4YZ |
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From: "Dan/W4NTI"
Wierdness always attracts attention. That's why at the circus, the line to get in and see the three-legged lady is longer than the line to get in and see the dancing girls. 73 DE John, KC2HMZ I always prefered a good looking girl to a three legged freak myself. You will not likely see a good looking girl if you spend too much time in Ham radio. You definately won't hear/see one if you operate CW. |
"Vshah101" wrote in message ... From: (N2EY) Did they just stop by, or stay a while? Both. Did any non-Hams stay on Fri, Sat night? I don't mean young children or senior citizens. Yes. Why does what she looked like matter? Because a pretty female or someone with self esteem would not have been there. She could have asked the same questions Sat or Sun morning. Says who. We had several pretty females with plenty of self-esteem at our Field Day. Someone with self esteem doesn't have to be out chasing dates. They can follow their own interests even if that is operating radio. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Vshah101" wrote in message ... From: "Dan/W4NTI" Wierdness always attracts attention. That's why at the circus, the line to get in and see the three-legged lady is longer than the line to get in and see the dancing girls. 73 DE John, KC2HMZ I always prefered a good looking girl to a three legged freak myself. You will not likely see a good looking girl if you spend too much time in Ham radio. You definately won't hear/see one if you operate CW. Wrong. Just look at the YLRL. Plenty of females (including good looking ones) of all ages and many operate CW. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ
writes: Oh, you mean like "disconnecting" antenna rotor control boxes with a pair of dikes? Yes, indeed. Is that how you highly technical CW ops handle it? Wow, I'll have to suggest that to our ops next year...NOT! John: Actually, it's not as bad an idea as it sounds. We do it that way because we leave the color-coded wire ends on the control box terminals, making it easy to duplicate the setup the next time. Wiring charts tend to get lost. Now, if only I could figure out a way to make my technically- inclined fellow hams stop putting 3-element HF Yagi antennas together with the director and reflector elements reversed! And don't suggest that I number the elements and boom 1,2,3…that doesn't seem to cut any ice with them! 12 hours to set up, 2 to tear down! Amazing what you can do when gravity is working in your favor rather than against you, isn't it? That wire that took six shots with a slingshot to get over just the right tree branch comes down on the *first* try when you cut the rope, almost as if by magic! Yup, it sure does! And some idiot usually manages to get whacked by the balun when it does -- which is why we pass out the hard hats! Fortunately, I'm not that hard on my own equipment, just a bit unmotivated to get the station set back up for at least a month after Field Day. Most of my FD stuff is still in my van. However, since that's where it also spends most of the rest of the year, that's no problem. Still, I could stand to do some tidying up in the rear cargo area. Well, the living room of my apartment is my computer room/ham shack. Trust me, even on my better days, I'll never be called to do a photo spread for Better Homes and Gardens! Then again, I would have a bit of a hard time competing for QST's "Messy ham shack" contest! Since I run the digital mode station for my club, I have to take not only my radios, but my whole bloody computer system as well. Sorry to break it to you now rather than before Field Day, OM, but there now exist these wonderful little devices called laptop computers. For that matter you can do some digital stuff with a Palm handheld computer. Want a quick hundred bonus points next year? Get somebody to load the APRS software on a Palm and mate it to their HT, and demo APRS. I think there's also PSK31 software for the Palm. I've been using personal computers virtually since the day after they were invented, and never owned a laptop! One of my fellow club members brought some badly clapped-out used laptops to FD this year for logging purposes, and out of four, we got one working! Last year, our club President got his brand-new Dell laptop toasted, we don't know if it was a power surge or stray RF, but the darn thing never came back to life, and Dell couldn't fix it! For a lot of reasons, the traditional desktop systems seem to work better and tolerate a lot more rough handling than laptops. I made one concession, however, and purchased a flat-panel monitor, which is much more easily transported than my old 17" CRT monitor, which I gave away to my YL friend when hers went South. BTW, don't try it at night unless you're good with the Palm graffitti. Typing on that little Palm "keyboard" at a FD station at 3:00 in the morning is bound to make your eye doctor independently wealthy. Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt, later burned the t-shirt. :-) I prefer full-sized keyboards, since I'm something of an accomplished typist. At home, I use the best keyboard available -- a Northgate OmniKey Ultra, which I purchased in 1990 and is still going strong. It has the same key size, placement, weight, and stroke as the old- fashioned IBM Selectric typewriter keyboard. It has other features like programmable function keys, and F-keys both across the top and down the left side of the main keyboard. For FD, however, I just bring the OEM cheapie that came with my computer. At FD sites, things tend to get spilled. Fortunately, that's the easiest thing to return to functional normalcy at the home QTH. Can't be missing out on rrap now, can I? Well, I managed to live without it for about four years, but then again, here I am back again. Hmmm. I don't seem to remember you from four years ago, but then again, I don't remember what I had for lunch! 73 de Larry, K3LT |
In article , "Ryan, KC8PMX"
writes: Okay, thanks Larry, just wanted to clarify that. One last other question, define "whining." Is that anything that you just don't want to hear, or ?? Again, I am asking this actually seriously, not fecetiously (sp.?) At least I am attempting to see your side of it............ One could view anything that they don't wanna hear as whining, and if thats the case I hear thousands of "whining words" on a daily basis. Ryan: I would define "whining" as "shrill, uncontrolled complaint, usually made on a topic of concern to the individual making the complaint, but without any particular basis for objection other than the subject in question is a matter which the individual feels powerless to control, or chooses not to control by virtue of the personal effort or expense involved. The "whining" is usually directed at a person or organization the "whiner" considers to be responsible for the situation to which the "whiner" objects. I will admit that most mature, hard-working, industrious and ingenious people definitely "don't want to hear" whining. For example, I certainly didn't appreciate being accused of being like Hitler, and in favor of things like "ethnic cleansing" because I supported the concept of code testing in the ARS. I truly could have done without hearing that, to be sure! For one thing, it quite possibly could have spared me the time I've spent on Usenet in the last 14 years. 73 de Larry, K3LT |
In article , "Dan/W4NTI"
writes: Doing CW at around 28 wpm is like talking to a Southerner. Layed back. Laid back, very courteous and mannerly, much gets said without a lot of words. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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"Vshah101" wrote in message ... From: "Dan/W4NTI" Wierdness always attracts attention. That's why at the circus, the line to get in and see the three-legged lady is longer than the line to get in and see the dancing girls. 73 DE John, KC2HMZ I always prefered a good looking girl to a three legged freak myself. You will not likely see a good looking girl if you spend too much time in Ham radio. You definately won't hear/see one if you operate CW. You have no concept of reality at all do you Vboy? I have met some stone fox knock outs at hamfests, on the air, married and single. I really enjoy meeting XYL's or YLs on the radio. It is a true pleasure hearing a female voice on the air. As for females on CW ... wrong again. I know several serious female CW ops. Im not going to put out calls here, because I really dont want to see them insulted by gutless male pigs. Dan/W4NTI |
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"Brian" wrote in message
om... (N2EY) wrote in message ... In article , "Dan/W4NTI" writes: Doing CW at around 28 wpm is like talking to a Southerner. Layed back. Laid back, very courteous and mannerly, much gets said without a lot of words. 73 de Jim, N2EY I get a completely different mental picture when Larry describes someone with a Southern accent. I wonder if Kim has a Southern accent. I am told by my friends up North when I go back there that I have a Southern accent. I do not hear it, and all the folks down here in Texas say I have a Yankee accent. So, I must be in between, but I sure don't hear a Southern accent. I *do* use the phrase "fixin' to" instead of "going to" when I am talking, though. Does that count? Kim W5TIT --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net Complaints to |
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From: "Dan/W4NTI"
You have no concept of reality at all do you Vboy? I have met some stone fox knock outs at hamfests, on the air, married and single. There's that alternate reality. My reality is different. I've been to many Hamfests and 5+ Ham radio clubs. Rarely are there any good looking females there. I really enjoy meeting XYL's or YLs on the radio. I'm sure you do. I know several serious female CW ops. Im not going to put out calls here, because I really dont want to see them insulted by gutless male pigs. No need for that anyway. Hams aren't pigs. At the few Hamfests which had pretty females, few of the (male) Hams showed any interest. Probably only would talk to a female if she had a callsign. |
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In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes: I am told by my friends up North when I go back there that I have a Southern accent. I do not hear it, and all the folks down here in Texas say I have a Yankee accent. So, I must be in between, but I sure don't hear a Southern accent. I *do* use the phrase "fixin' to" instead of "going to" when I am talking, though. Does that count? Kim: No, it doesn't count. Nobody cares. YOU are irrelevant. 73 de Larry, K3LT |
"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
... In article , "Kim W5TIT" writes: I am told by my friends up North when I go back there that I have a Southern accent. I do not hear it, and all the folks down here in Texas say I have a Yankee accent. So, I must be in between, but I sure don't hear a Southern accent. I *do* use the phrase "fixin' to" instead of "going to" when I am talking, though. Does that count? Kim: No, it doesn't count. Nobody cares. YOU are irrelevant. 73 de Larry, K3LT You're hilarious, Larry. You just can't help yourself, can you? You have no willpower. Kim W5TIT --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net Complaints to |
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N2EY wrote: In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ writes: On 23 Jul 2003 03:14:23 GMT, ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) wrote: Oh, you mean like "disconnecting" antenna rotor control boxes with a pair of dikes? Yes, indeed. Is that how you highly technical CW ops handle it? Heck no! We install plug couplers on everything. that may need disconnection. Also use different couplers for different applications to avoid destructive mistakes. At N2EY this past FD, the only tools needed for the entire setup and takedown we Slingshot/spinning reel antenna launcher Pocketknife to cut line and electrical tape Hammer to drive the ground rod and tent stakes Screwdriver to tighten the clamp on the groundrod. Wingnut on the groundrod will eliminate the screwdriver next time. 12 hours to set up, 2 to tear down! Amazing what you can do when gravity is working in your favor rather than against you, isn't it? Yup. That wire that took six shots with a slingshot to get over just the right tree branch comes down on the *first* try when you cut the rope, almost as if by magic! SIX SHOTS? First time I used the slingshot launcher, and it only took me two. Ahh, Jim. Just wait till the next time. First time I used a slingshot it was easy. Most times since then have been pretty comical. - Mike KB3EIA - |
In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes: Don't hold your breath, Mike. I'm not sure I've ever seen that Larry has met a chall....sched yet. Kim: I "challenge" you to a schedule on 20-meter PSK-31. Put up or shut up! BTW -- I know you're a Tech, so simply have your OM (a General) serve as control op! Perfectly legal Third-Party operation. The ball is in YOUR court now -- so no excuses! You started this, now show us all that you have any credibility whatsoever. If you squirm out of this QSO challenge, you will forever be self-nullified in this NG. 73 de Larry, K3LT Hmmm, so far, not a peep out of Kim! I hope it's because she's busily preparing her PSK-31 station for our QSO! 73 de Larry, K3LT Larry, that's the first time I've ever seen that challenge. I've seen the thread, but could not find the original challenge to know what it was. I actually thought it was something Steve had said. I don't care to meet your challenge, Larry, and I am not the one who has solicited challenges in the past. As I understand it, by looking here only, I've never seen anyone say that their challenge to you (mostly on a CW sched) was ever realized. Kim: Scroll up. You're the one who said you've never seen that I had met a chall[enge] or a sked. So I offered one. If you refuse my challenge for a PSK-31 sked, then you've gotta do the right thing and take back what you said about me. However, as usual, I'm not holding my breath. Oh, and the PSK-31 station is established (when the radio would be set back up), because my hubby really likes that mode. So, what's the problem? I can get my station set back up in 10 minutes. However, for your convenience, I'll leave my challenge open indefinitely. 73 de Larry, K3LT |
In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ
writes: ...such as Morse code testing in the ARS? but without any particular basis for objection other than the subject in question is a matter which the individual feels powerless to control, ...such as the fact that Morse code testing in the ARS is likely to go away, sooner or later? John: Yes, that's right. And the reason it's "going away" is because of all the "whining" done by the NCTA over the years. or chooses not to control by virtue of the personal effort or expense involved. The "whining" is usually directed at a person or organization the "whiner" considers to be responsible for the situation to which the "whiner" objects. ...such as NCTAs who have the unmitigated audacity to express their opinion on the subject? An "opinion," I might add, which has no basis in any actual operational or regulatory necessity in the AMATEUR radio service. I will admit that most mature, hard-working, industrious and ingenious people definitely "don't want to hear" whining. Who does? People like Kim, Brian, Carl, Bill, yourself, etc. etc… For example, I certainly didn't appreciate being accused of being like Hitler, As an aside to this topic, does anyone know for sure whether ol' Adolph knew Morse code? Just curious... I've never heard anything about whether he did or not, but I'm sure that if he did, the NCTA would swoon in ecstasy! and in favor of things like "ethnic cleansing" because I supported the concept of code testing in the ARS. I truly could have done without hearing that, to be sure! Well, I haven't seen you post anything suggesting that no-code hams be rounded up and sent to concentration camps or anything like that...not yet anyway...so I guess I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. :-) Oh, thank you! Despite all the shrill, uncontrolled complaints - on both sides of the issue - the international requirement is no more. The testing requirement in the USA probably will follow suit sooner or later. Hmmm...maybe it *is* an ethnic thing: Does red whine or white whine go best with crow? I dunno. I've always said that the code testing requirement would go away, so I guess the first thing you'd have to do is find someone with a crow in his freezer, and ask him which whine he plans to have with it when he decides to thaw it out, roast it, and serve it for dinner. For one thing, it quite possibly could have spared me the time I've spent on Usenet in the last 14 years. Now there's a shrill, uncontrolled complaint if I ever heard one. Whatever you say, John. 73 de Larry, K3LT |
"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
... In article , "Kim W5TIT" writes: Don't hold your breath, Mike. I'm not sure I've ever seen that Larry has met a chall....sched yet. Kim: I "challenge" you to a schedule on 20-meter PSK-31. Put up or shut up! BTW -- I know you're a Tech, so simply have your OM (a General) serve as control op! Perfectly legal Third-Party operation. The ball is in YOUR court now -- so no excuses! You started this, now show us all that you have any credibility whatsoever. If you squirm out of this QSO challenge, you will forever be self-nullified in this NG. 73 de Larry, K3LT Hmmm, so far, not a peep out of Kim! I hope it's because she's busily preparing her PSK-31 station for our QSO! 73 de Larry, K3LT Larry, that's the first time I've ever seen that challenge. I've seen the thread, but could not find the original challenge to know what it was. I actually thought it was something Steve had said. I don't care to meet your challenge, Larry, and I am not the one who has solicited challenges in the past. As I understand it, by looking here only, I've never seen anyone say that their challenge to you (mostly on a CW sched) was ever realized. Kim: Scroll up. You're the one who said you've never seen that I had met a chall[enge] or a sked. So I offered one. If you refuse my challenge for a PSK-31 sked, then you've gotta do the right thing and take back what you said about me. However, as usual, I'm not holding my breath. Oh, and the PSK-31 station is established (when the radio would be set back up), because my hubby really likes that mode. So, what's the problem? I can get my station set back up in 10 minutes. However, for your convenience, I'll leave my challenge open indefinitely. 73 de Larry, K3LT No, you scroll up. I said, "I'm not sure I've ever seen that Larry has met a chall....sched yet." That means that when you have been challenged to meet a sched, I have not seen evidence that you have ever met one. I did not challenge you, never have challenged you. *Have you ever met a sched that was offered here?* Now, if you want to turn that around to making it look like I am challenging you, that's fine. Kim W5TIT --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net Complaints to |
Ahhh... ya caught it!! :) Yep, at least the police as they are "cousins"
in the Brotherhood. -- Ryan, KC8PMX FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!) --. --- -.. ... .- -. --. . .-.. ... .- .-. . ..-. .. .-. . ..-. ... --. .... - . .-. ... "Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message ... In article , "Ryan, KC8PMX" writes: Ryan, KC8PMX FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!) --. --- -.. ... .- -. --. . .-.. ... .- .-. . ..-. .. .-. . ..-. .. --. .... - . .-. ... Ryan: What about police and the military? Aren't they also doing God's work? 73 de Larry, K3LT --. --- -.. ... .- -. --. . .-.. ... .- .-. . .--. .- .-. .- - .-. .- -. .... .. - -.. .-. .. ...- . .-. ... |
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ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) wrote in message ...
In article , (Brian) writes: John: Yes, that's right. And the reason it's "going away" is because of all the "whining" done by the NCTA over the years. No. The reason its going away is that the PCTA couldn't present a sound argument to the FCC for its retention. Brian Brian: The PCTA didn't present "a" sound argument to the FCC for the retention of code testing -- they presented hundreds of them! 'Fraid not. Aaron Jones was keeping a list of all of those busted Myths. The FCC must have subscribed to Aaron's List. The trouble is, the FCC already had it's mind made up. Amateur Radio in general represents an administrative burden to the FCC, and deregulating it down to the bare bones is in their organizational interest. That should be the goal of all regulatory agencies to use the minimum amount of "force" necessary. Also, as a government agency, the FCC had to respond to a lot of political and social issues, and one of the trickiest and most time consuming in the ARS was the concept of medical waivers for code testing. Naw, as code testing is completely unnecessary, keeping track of code testing was a monumental waste of time. So, dumbing-down to a single 5-WPM code test was pretty much a no-brainer for them. Therefore, it wasn't because of a lack of valid arguments on the PCTA side. Wrong. The FCC and NCI came to the same conclusion long ago: Code Testing is completely unnecessary. Only the whining and crying and the ITU kept it alive as long as it did. Nothing we said could have made them retain the status quo in code testing, because they wanted to eliminate that particular administrative burden. As usual, it's all about money. 73 de Larry, K3LT As usual, it was about common sense. We finally got past the emotional outbursts and the ITU requirement. |
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In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes: So, what's the problem? I can get my station set back up in 10 minutes. However, for your convenience, I'll leave my challenge open indefinitely. 73 de Larry, K3LT No, you scroll up. I said, "I'm not sure I've ever seen that Larry has met a chall....sched yet." That means that when you have been challenged to meet a sched, I have not seen evidence that you have ever met one. I did not challenge you, never have challenged you. Kim: No, all you did was make a speculative comment that I have failed to meet challenges or schedules with my fellow hams and rrap participants. Now, you obviously felt a need to make that comment, so please share with us, what was the reason? After all, you implied something negative about me, so there MUST be some reason for you to do that. *Have you ever met a sched that was offered here?* Now, if you want to turn that around to making it look like I am challenging you, that's fine. I haven't turned anything around, Kim. All I did was offer you a challenge to a PSK-31 sked. After all, you apparently had no faith in my ability to meet the challenge/sked, so I am now offering you the "proof" you seem to require. If you don't want to take me up on my challenge, then that means that you think that you can accuse me of never doing so, but then not permit me to offer evidence to the contrary. I must assume, then, that you are backing off of your allegation, and are now going to offer your apology for having made it. Ahem…feel free to proceed. 73 de Larry, K3LT |
ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) wrote in message ...
In article , (Brian) writes: Also, as a government agency, the FCC had to respond to a lot of political and social issues, and one of the trickiest and most time consuming in the ARS was the concept of medical waivers for code testing. Naw, as code testing is completely unnecessary, keeping track of code testing was a monumental waste of time. Brian: (Yawn!) Don't look now, but that's what I meant! Then you should have said so. So, dumbing-down to a single 5-WPM code test was pretty much a no-brainer for them. Therefore, it wasn't because of a lack of valid arguments on the PCTA side. Wrong. The FCC and NCI came to the same conclusion long ago: Code Testing is completely unnecessary. Only the whining and crying and the ITU kept it alive as long as it did. I don't recall any "whining and crying" from the ITU. Through their World Radiocommunication Conferences, they have a democratic process for changing International Treaty radio regulations, with the member administrations representing their own unique interests. Until WRC-03, they had not seen fit to eliminate the S25.5 Morse code testing requirement. Now, they have. No whining, no crying, just the usual democratic process, applied fairly. I accept their decision, even though I don't agree with it. The whining and crying was done here by hams and to the FCC w/o ITU involvement. Nothing we said could have made them retain the status quo in code testing, because they wanted to eliminate that particular administrative burden. As usual, it's all about money. 73 de Larry, K3LT As usual, it was about common sense. We finally got past the emotional outbursts and the ITU requirement. My recollection is that the "emotional outbursts" have been on the NCTA side. Strange. I recall the oposite. The PCTA's always posed the logical, "common sense" arguments. Get it right for once, please! Keeping unnecessary "requirements?" That's just not logical. |
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