"Keith" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:47:46 GMT, "Carl R. Stevenson"
wrote:

And YES, the FCC *does* have records of which Techs have HF privs, so
the
writer above is totally wrong.


The FCC does not have information on techs who pass element 1. PERIOD.
Only if
they upgrade to general or extra.


That's why you need to be responsible, for a change it seems, and keep you
CSCE and old Tech+ license, if there is one.

Kim W5TIT


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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
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"C" wrote in message
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My only gripe with the code is the testing. It is stated as a 5 word
per minute test. When I challenged the test a few weeks ago I found that
it is actually anywhere from 13 to 18 words per minute, not 5 words per
minute. The 5 words per minute is a lie....


The test is given at 5 words per minute. They use a faster character
speed
but make the letters further apart. It is actually easier this way
because
the brain has more time to react to the character before it has to go on
to
the next one.

Why not tell it like it is.... Those giving the test do not want to make
it easy for anyone who has a learning disability or not. I have never
been able to memorize anything easily when in school, and was accused of
being from lazy to stupid. My father told me that I was ignorant because
I was partly colorblind. I do not want sympathy, just after studying for
almost a year to pass the 5 word per minute test for what it is suppose
to be not what someone who is more proficient with the code wants it to
be.....


If you were memorizing the code, that was the problem. That's not the
right
way to learn it. There's quite a bit of material out there on the
internet
on the right way to learn code. For starters, work towards a reflex
reaction. i.e. Hear the sound, write the letter. Don't think about the
dots and dashes. Practice every day for 30 mintues per day EVERY day or
almost everyday. There are lots of computer programs out there you can
download from the internet and every person has their favorite. Set it
for
an 18wpm character speed but 5wpm word speed. Try the G4FON program.
It's
available for free on the internet. I apologize for not posting the
website
but I don't happen to have it anymore.

Practicing once or twice a week won't get it. You fall too far backwards
between sessions. Memorizing dots and dashes and then trying to write the
letter slows you down so that you can't keep up.

Read "The Art and Skill of Radiotelegraphy". It's available for free on
the
internet. The author did extensive research on how code should be
studied.
The biggest problem is that too many people are told to use study methods
that hold a person back rather than move them forward. Another problem is
unrealistic expections. They see the whiz kids get it in a week and think
they should be able to do the same. They're the exception not the rule.

The code is far easier than most things that you have learned in life if
you
find the correct way to study it and put in the amount of time needed.


If my General CSCE expires again (this will be #2) I will never take it
again and will have lost desire in a hobby that I grew up working in for
the last 39 years.......

C.

Don't give up. Work with modern training methods and you can do it.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


What you just described, about memorizing the code, happened to me. I
started to try to learn the code at 12 years old. My mom bought me a
record...yeah thats right A RECORD..hi. And I thought I was hot stuff...but
when I actually tried to receive CW off the air, at a very slow rate.
Listened in the Novice bands. I found I didn't know a thing.

A local ham told me I had memorized the record. And that is exactly what
happened. He then gave me the ARRL license manual with the proper method
and helped when he could.

I eventually RE-LEARNED Morse and got it right. I passed the Novice and in
3 months passed the 13WPM General in front of the FCC.

I am not solid at 40 or so.

So Dee's advice is right on target.

Dan/W4NTI

"Dick Carroll;" wrote in message ...

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck......

Maybe he's a Dick.

(WA8ULX) wrote in message ...

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ghetto

(With a sincere apology to the poor people living in inner-city neighborhoods)

In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes:

You may wish to blame the de-emphasis on CW on people. But, it's a
combination of losing traditional values, a decrease in the use of CW in
major communication venues, and the fact that the FCC is a governmental
organization that responds to national and world trends. It's much more
about anything BUT people than many realize, IMHO.

Kim:

Don't look now, but it would seem to me that all of the above have quite
a LOT do do with people. However, then again, as I've always suspected,
you're probably writing from another planet.

There's way more people who are middle ground.

It's a sure thing that you're not occupying the high ground!

73 de Larry, K3LT

I asked why it seemed so fast. I was told by the VE that he gives all
code test at least 13 words per minute if not faster.....

I have sent out a couple of e-mails requesting imformation of how tests
are given ie, speed and if fonsworth method was used. I do not wnat to
know the test iteslf as that would defeat the purpose of the testing
session. I have yet to receive an answer from any VE...

All I ask for is to know what speed I need to be studying as it all
sounds different to me at each speed....



Not trying to be a smart ass here...but...how do you know it was 13 if you
say you can't copy 13???. Could it be he was sending the characters fast
and making the spacing long. I.E. Farnsworth method, which is the
recomended way to conduct a test?

If you want to quit. Thats your choice. I would suggest you go to a
different test place with different folks instead.

Dan/W4NTI

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ghetto

Your mama

"Keith" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:24:27 -0500, "Kim W5TIT"
wrote:

Absolutely. To come to the conclusion that deaf people cannot learn and
use
CW is rather narrow-minded in my opnion. I bet there's a way that
ANYONE
could learn CW.

No, if a deaf person wants to learn morse code they can. It is wrong for
the
government to require them to pass a morse code test because in reality
they
have little or no use for it.


You would not be able to use that as an argument *with the governmental body
with which you would have to argue your point.* The government requires all
kinds of assinine things from people all the time. I don't think you'd get
anywhere with the statement above.


Like I said why doesn't the government require blind people to pass a
driving
test if they ride the bus?


Blind people riding a bus are at the mercy of someone else as driver. A
deaf person operating amateur radio is driving themselves. Apples to
oranges. If you're going to try to effect change, you need a whole lot more
than whines, and using the handicapped to get your way, Keith. It's as
simple as that.


You never know when the driver will pass out and
they will have to take the wheel.


Who says they have to? I'm sure most of my blind friends would say that
they are pretty much consigned to the fact that if something happens to
endager them while under the "care" of another driver, they are ready for
the outcome. Would you like for me to ask them?

Kim W5TIT


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"Keith" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:57:14 GMT, "Carl R. Stevenson"
wrote:

. the FCC has records
of who has code credit and who doesn't, so no-code Techs should
NOT, repeat NOT, try to use HF.

You are ignorant. The FCC has no idea if a tech has passed a morse code
proficiency test and has a CSCE in their hand.

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The Radio Page Ham, Police Scanner, Shortwave and more.
http://www.kilowatt-radio.org/


Keith, why don't you solicit the opinions of some deaf hams? There is a
group called HandiHams that you could ask--if they would respond. You could
also get on eHam.net, and qrz.com and pose the question in the forums. The
question, I suppose, would be: Do you, as a deaf ham, agree that the
government should require that you pass a minimum CW requirement for amateur
radio privileges at that level?

My guess is most deaf hams are not going to mind a bit. Note that I said
*most.* I am sure there are some out there that may object.

Kim W5TIT


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Kim W5TIT wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message

Now that you mention it, how does a fully blind ham tell what frequency
he or she is on? I suppose that using the memory channels on an HF rig
would be one method, but does anyone here know?

- Mike KB3EIA -



I have many blind friends/hams, and the way they do it is with radios that
have speech boards on them.


Okay. Thanks, Kim. I thought it might be something like that.

- Mike KB3EIA -