wrote in message ...
Let the FCC know that they can no longer keep you from your right to use
the
ten meter band allocation if you are a technician licensee. The
international
requirement for morse code has been removed and there is no such thing as
a
technician plus license.
You don't have to use your identity, but no code technicians need to
finally
speak out to the FCC they will no longer be oppressed by rules designed
for the
stone age of electronic technology.
Get on the air at 6pm local time on August 1st or if the band is open any
time
to make contacts in the 28.300-28.500 MHz that is allocated to technicians
for
voice. Or if you have a computer you can use the allocated technician CW
bands
to send and receive morse code.
Currently the FCC and ARRL want to drag this morse code requirement out
for
one or two years while they put BPL and other technology on the fast
track. I
will be on the air and I hope 10,000 or more no code technicians will join
me.
I guess Hollingsworth will have to require 10,000 people to turn in their
CW
proficiency certificate if YOU will join us.
The morse code game is over and I'm not driving 55 when the speed limit
is
really 70 mph and the government hasn't changed the signs yet. Just go by
the
limitation of your technician license and don't go overboard, we want to
show
that just because we didn't pass some dinosaur morse code test that we are
bad
operators.
Get on 28.306 USB at 6 PM local time to talk with other no code tech's
that
are protesting the FCC and ARRL stupidity.

The FCC needs additional funds for enforcement and such...so all those with
a few extra thousand dollars that would like to contribute in the form of a
NAL, please go right ahead.

--
73 de Bert
WA2SI

Get on the air at 6pm local time on August 1st or if the band is open any
time
to make contacts in the 28.300-28.500 MHz that is allocated to technicians
for voice.


Yes, I have that equipment. No, I won't be dumb enough to do it.


The FCC needs additional funds for enforcement and such...so all those with
a few extra thousand dollars that would like to contribute in the form of a
NAL, please go right ahead.


This is the same troll who has had no luck trolling the amateur newsgroup,
so now he's crossposting to the CB newsgroup. Ignore him and he'll go away
faster then the CW requirement in Sweden or the UK. Speaking of the UK, listen
for them after 8PM EDT, that's the start of Friday over there.

Come on Bert..............We all know you are an elitist radio snob!
Just kidding...............
Lugar's is waiting for us to get there.
Train

Who me? Top post? Never!
T


"Bert Craig" wrote in message
...
"Keith" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:06:44 GMT, "Bert Craig"
wrote:

--
73 de Bert
WA2SI

Another extra class trying to spread FUD.

I was once a no-code Technician. The only difference between you and I is
two writtens and a 5-wpm code test. The ability to pass the 5-wpm is not
anywhere near Morse code proficiency and can be passed easily with some
study and determination.

I disagree with your stance but I like your fire. Encouraging those with
similar beliefs to get off their collective ar$es and make some noise is
likely the right direction. I hope that those opposed to dropping Element
1
do the same. I happen to believe we (PCTA) outnumber you (NCTA) by a count
of 2:1.

--
73 de Bert
WA2SI

BTW, what's FUD?

Hey Brian,

"Train" wrote in message
...
Come on Bert..............We all know you are an elitist radio snob!
Just kidding...............

Lol!

Lugar's is waiting for us to get there.

I'm with you, although I have much less time now. (Two jobs.) Our friend
went back to Oregon. Sadly, a victim of corporate downsizing...er, I mean
"streamlining." I haven't seen him post in over a year now. But I'm
certainly game. Went to TSR, The Spare Rib, yesterday and had a nice cut of
prime rib.

--
73 de Bert
WA2SI

Train

Who me? Top post? Never!
T


"Bert Craig" wrote in message
...
"Keith" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:06:44 GMT, "Bert Craig"
wrote:

--
73 de Bert
WA2SI

Another extra class trying to spread FUD.

I was once a no-code Technician. The only difference between you and I
is
two writtens and a 5-wpm code test. The ability to pass the 5-wpm is not
anywhere near Morse code proficiency and can be passed easily with some
study and determination.

I disagree with your stance but I like your fire. Encouraging those with
similar beliefs to get off their collective ar$es and make some noise is
likely the right direction. I hope that those opposed to dropping
Element
1
do the same. I happen to believe we (PCTA) outnumber you (NCTA) by a
count
of 2:1.

--
73 de Bert
WA2SI

BTW, what's FUD?

"Spamhater" wrote in message
...
Ummmm, maybe the requirement is dropped in other countries but they don't
live by our laws, nor we theirs.... Just because you want to jump off a
bridge, don't expect others to. IF the speed limit in other countries is
100
MPH, you feel you deserve to drive 100MPH here too?

Actually, yes I do where proper road engineering should allow it.

The FCC had to go along
with the INTERNATIONAL community.

They "had to go along"? Sorry friend, the FCC position
going in to WRC was for TOTAL elimination of S25.5
morse requirement.

I'm sure that if you would keep your pants
on, they will be issuing shortly a memo to abolish the code requirement.
IT
IS A BUREAUCRACY... It doesn't happen over night. As to the ARRL, they
don't
run the country. NOR the FCC regardless what anyone may want to think.

The process isn't clear yet as to what the dependencies may
be for that to happen.

IF YOU want to be a law breaker, have at it... but don't expect the law
abiding people to slit their throats at your command. SOME do believe in
rules and laws.

I agree the rules must be followed until they are changed.

Obviously, you're not one of them. You portrayed that very
well. I'm not a code fan, but hold a 20WPM Extra license. It was a
requirement that earned me the right to use the bands much like the
license
to drive my vehicle.. ALL PRIVILEGES - EARNED. You aren't born with them.
It
amazes me how many are so gung ho to side step the laws and rules and yet
if
their feet are stepped on, the first to bitch.

I agree the rules must still be followed.

Sit back and enjoy what you
have. Some day, radio will be so miserable you won't want it anyway. It is
going there very quickly.

Same old "sky is falling" negativity of some that profess
the end of ham radio. The same silly attitude was there
when any rule changes are suggested or made.

Some day you'll wish there were laws and rules
being upheld.

Ditto my last.

As I said, I'm not a code fan, but it took work to get my
license... another thing many are afraid of. WORK.

Yawn, same old work effort garbage for the sake of serving
as a test of interest level.

When something is GIVEN
to you, it holds NO value.

Strange, I have been given many things in life that I
treasure greatly.

When you EARN it, you tend to value it. A LOT.

So my easy ability to pass the Extra written once the code test was
dropped to 5 wpm because I have a career in electronics
must mean I value the license less? Bzzzt! Does not compute!

Just my 2 cents...

And mine also.
Cheers,
Bill K2UNK

wrote in message
...
Let the FCC know that they can no longer keep you from your right to us
the ten meter band allocation if you are a technician licensee. The
international
requirement for morse code has been removed and there is no such thing
as a technician plus license.
You don't have to use your identity, but no code technicians need to
finally
speak out to the FCC they will no longer be oppressed by rules designed
for the
stone age of electronic technology.
Get on the air at 6pm local time on August 1st or if the band is open
any
time
to make contacts in the 28.300-28.500 MHz that is allocated to
technicians
for
voice. Or if you have a computer you can use the allocated technician CW
bands
to send and receive morse code.
Currently the FCC and ARRL want to drag this morse code requirement out
for
one or two years while they put BPL and other technology on the fast
track. I
will be on the air and I hope 10,000 or more no code technicians will
join
me.
I guess Hollingsworth will have to require 10,000 people to turn in
their
CW
proficiency certificate if YOU will join us.
The morse code game is over and I'm not driving 55 when the speed limit
is
really 70 mph and the government hasn't changed the signs yet. Just go
by
the
limitation of your technician license and don't go overboard, we want to
show
that just because we didn't pass some dinosaur morse code test that we
are
bad
operators.
Get on 28.306 USB at 6 PM local time to talk with other no code tech's
that
are protesting the FCC and ARRL stupidity.

I believe that if a technician was licensed a long time ago, he would
already be grandfathered to general. I also believe that the codeless techs
and tech pluses are lacking one element of written exam to be grandfathered
into a general class ticket, but I could well be wrong. Back in the late
60s I also managed a qso using land-line Morse. I doubt there are any CW
programs for computers that would have much luck with that



73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA




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wrote in message ...
.

Let the FCC know that they can no longer keep you from your right to use
the
ten meter band allocation if you are a technician licensee. The
international
requirement for morse code has been removed and there is no such thing as
a
technician plus license.
You don't have to use your identity, but no code technicians need to
finally
speak out to the FCC they will no longer be oppressed by rules designed
for the
stone age of electronic technology.

How does breaking the rules of your license class prove that you are not
"bad operators". Seems to prove just the opposite.
The code may be an antiquated method of communication, but, it does prove
your desire to learn and work for what you want.
Remember, "Anything worth having is worth working for".
I may only be a 5 WPM extra because I got my license after the rule change
but I studied the code, struggled with the code
and finally passed after 3 tries. I value my license more because I had to
WORK for it than if all I had to do was fill out a form
and wait.
Nothing you ever learn is wasted.

In article , "Jim Hampton"
writes:

I believe that if a technician was licensed a long time ago, he would
already be grandfathered to general.

The date in question is March 21, 1987. If you can show that you had a Tech
before that date, you get credit for Element 1 and Element 3. That plus a
current Tech gets you a General. But you have to go to a VE session to cash in
the credits.

I also believe that the codeless techs
and tech pluses are lacking one element of written exam to be grandfathered
into a general class ticket, but I could well be wrong.

Element 3. March 21, 1987 is when the old General/Tech written (old old Element
3) was split into separate Tech and General parts (old Elements 3A and 3B).

73 de Jim, N2EY

The message below also scores a 10 out of a possible 10 on the
"troll-o-meter."

Doing what is suggested below will also be illegal, will put your
license in jeopardy, and will give ham radio a "black eye."

Please don't follow the foolish and irresponsible "advice" given
below ...

73,

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Grid Square FN20fm
http://home.ptd.net/~wk3c
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wrote in message ...
Let the FCC know that they can no longer keep you from your right to use
the
ten meter band allocation if you are a technician licensee. The
international
requirement for morse code has been removed and there is no such thing as
a
technician plus license.
You don't have to use your identity, but no code technicians need to
finally
speak out to the FCC they will no longer be oppressed by rules designed
for the
stone age of electronic technology.
Get on the air at 6pm local time on August 1st or if the band is open any
time
to make contacts in the 28.300-28.500 MHz that is allocated to technicians
for
voice. Or if you have a computer you can use the allocated technician CW
bands
to send and receive morse code.
Currently the FCC and ARRL want to drag this morse code requirement out
for
one or two years while they put BPL and other technology on the fast
track. I
will be on the air and I hope 10,000 or more no code technicians will join
me.
I guess Hollingsworth will have to require 10,000 people to turn in their
CW
proficiency certificate if YOU will join us.
The morse code game is over and I'm not driving 55 when the speed limit
is
really 70 mph and the government hasn't changed the signs yet. Just go by
the
limitation of your technician license and don't go overboard, we want to
show
that just because we didn't pass some dinosaur morse code test that we are
bad
operators.
Get on 28.306 USB at 6 PM local time to talk with other no code tech's
that
are protesting the FCC and ARRL stupidity.

On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:44:34 GMT, "Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:

The message below also scores a 10 out of a possible 10 on the
"troll-o-meter."

There is no way the FCC can find it if a tech has passed a morse code test
since they don't keep any records. I know that no code techs are on 10m and
have been for the last 3 years. No code tech's pick up your microphone and talk
on 10 meters.


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