"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
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"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
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Just even one more proof of what I mean. Attempting to control free
speech
when a differing opinion occurs....
Why should they have exclusive control of the whole amateur community
when
they only represent (roughly) a quarter of the population?

You keep saying I should join, but why should I?? List specific
reasons,
backed by facts. Not vague generalities or "big-brother/mafioso-like"
reasons? All it is, is a very expensive magazine subscription, so let's
not
kid ourselves.


They are not trying to control free speech. Show your proof that they are
doing so.

They are by virtue of a member attempting to do so. Either a member is or
is not a representative of the arrl.

They establish policies based on the input of their membership as
does any other organization. They then carry through on that policy.
Naturally not every member agrees with it but if we had to have a
unanimous
consensus nothing would ever get done. And they have no reason or
obligation to pay any attention to the opinions of non-members.

As well as they should not be representing "non-members" either. The ARRL
is responsible for the state of amateur radio it is today, as they have
convinced the FCC that they are the "only voice."


They do not have nor try to have exclusive control of the whole amateur
community. Show your proof that they do.

Let me dig up a QST magazine.... said it right on the front cover.....


They establish goals based on
what their membership wants. That is what any organization does. Again
they have no reason or obligation to establish their goals based on the
opinions of non-members.

Only if one chooses to request that information beased upon the decision
whether or not to join. Its like going to a car dealership and the car
salesperson stating that you will be buying a vehicle, but not tell you
anything about it.



You seem to expect them to roll over and adopt YOUR opinion. That's
unrealistic. Whether you join or not is your business of course. But
unless you are a member, you have no right to expect to control their
policies or for them to listen to your opinions and adopt your opinions.
If
you want to change them, join. If you aren't willing to join, don't
expect
to change them. That's pretty simple.

Never did I state they should roll over to my opinions exclusively, but my
opinions are not singular, there are many more that hold the same position
on a variety of issues. If they are claiming control of amateur radio as a
whole, not just the membership, then my opinion should count in that
respect. I can tell you however, there are alot of the opinions I hold that
are held by a ton of people with ham licenses.



I know why I am a member. They can do things that I cannot.
1) Take the current BPL situation. They have the finances and facilities
to do the research that I can't afford. That is but one of many things.

Yeah.... they must be the only one's too eh?

2) Product tests/reviews. I can't afford to buy all the test equipment,
every new radio, antenna, etc and run my own comparisons.
... and so on.

Again, CQ magazine does that as well. Granted, I will wholeheartedly admit
that QST is a decent magazine, even though it is getting thinner and
thinner, but it is a good magazine. My only observation is that it should
also include some technical material for the newer hams, as not all of us
are Extra class electrical/electronics engineers. Although I am above the
"simple circuit" stage, I am however not the highest qualified in the
electronics side of this hobby. I am man enough to admit I need to learn
more.

Again, You keep saying I should join, but why should I?? List specific
reasons, backed by facts. Not vague generalities or
"big-brother/mafioso-like" reasons? All it is, is a very expensive magazine
subscription, so let's
not kid ourselves. If there are some actual reasons listed, I might
consider joining. If not, then that sums it up pretty good.

I can honestly say that you are one of the few people that I have met on
here, and I like you as a person. But there is one thing as a fact I know
for sure, we will never agree on is the ARRL. I do not take the ARRL as
blind faith, or like a religion. I do not put the ARRL in a position close
to god as some put here and elsewhere. I do not consider the arrl like a
religion or a church organization as some people equate it to. I will be
one of the first people to join if there ever becomes a group like the
United States Amateur Radio Association or the National Radio Relay League
or any other similar group. (don't know if either of those exist.....) The
arrl needs the competition to keep them in check. Hell, Republicrats claim
competition is a GOOD thing. (except when it encroaches on "their"
businesses.)


Have a great Labor Day Weekend!

--
Ryan, KC8PMX
FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!)
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