Packet Ops
 

Sounds like totally illegal activity to me ... if I were you, I
would not expect help here and would be prepared to duck
for cover as the flames erupt ...

Carl - wk3c

"Cindy W" wrote in message
...
There is worldwide packet radio activity on
27540 kHz. Which qsy to 6890 at night. I know
of some people in the Tampa area who operate on
this frequency and have qso'd other packet stations
in the U.S. as well as worldwide DX. Alfa-Delta
domestic call signs & Rapert International calls are
being used on the frequency. Does anybody know
the policy and protocol for hobby packet ops?

tnx,
Cindy W
Worldwide #3815 friendly op endorsement

youre troll meter is out of whack, must have been golden screwdrivered

troll meter is pegged on this one!

Ham Dat Am wrote:
Cindy -- you have to understand you asked a question about illegal CB
operation and Hams are very much against ANY illegal operations on any band.
Kinda like asking an atheist question in a Catholic Church.

Go to rec.radio.cb --- you will get sympathy there and also probably bad
mouthed about illegal operations. But perhaps you didn't know it was
illegal -- now you do.

Read FCC rules at URL:
http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/personal/cb/

As far as your visit to the club meeting -- here in Southern California we
have a youth group of young Hams under the age of 18, about 20 of them. We
have donated lots of equipment to their schools, given them free books, make
a point to welcome them to the repeaters and club meetings. All ethnic
groups and genders are represented. They had a table and setup at Field Day
just for the youth group at the GOTA station. They meet each Thurs eve for a
net on one of our repeaters. Some are involved in Emergency Communications.
We treat all Hams the same, young, old, green or blue. Maybe you live in an
area where the converse is true.

So your comments are like --- this cat is green -- so all cats are
reen --- too generalized.

And your comment about "Old White men" is racist and stupid, as you too
will be old someday. Sooner than you think.

Oh, I don't think Cindy will ever be an old white man! 8^)


Ask yourself a question "When did I start to hate Old Folks ??"
The ones that Tom Brokaw termed "The Greatest Generation".
The ones who made this country the great nation it is.


Old white guys are a legitimate target - and I hope to someday be an old
white guy.

Bravo well sed! Ditto
Maybe like taking the kids to a Lions or Rotory meeting.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

But, to answer your paragraph, why would anyone take a group of kids to
an amateur club meeting? It's a completely different environment than
they would be comfortable in. And there is usually business to take care
of at a meeting that would be mind numbing for kids to listen to, like
finances, membership issues, etc. If you really wanted to get them
interested, you would get a few amateurs to meet with the kids on the
kids turf, like a classroom, the local YMCA, places like that. The kids
would be comfortable, only hams who ar interested in public outreach
would be involved, and a program could be put together that would keep
the kids involved and interactive.

- Mike KB3EIA -

FYI Cindy From FCC URL:

http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/per...ons/#equipment
You must use an FCC certificated CB transmitter at your CB station. You can
identify an FCC certificated transmitter by the certification label placed
on it by the manufacturer.


Cindy W

"Cindy W" wrote in message
...

Which is exacly why young kids are turned off by ham
radio. I once took a group of young black kids to a
local ham radio club meeting. All the old white men
ignored the kids or made rude remarks. These same
frustrated old white men then wonder why the hobby
is rapidly going the way of the horse & buggy.

Cindy W

Cindy, take that group of young Black kids and turn to CB Super Bowl
channel 6 get them 10 kw amplifiers and they will fit right in....

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

But, to answer your paragraph, why would anyone take a group of kids to
an amateur club meeting? It's a completely different environment than
they would be comfortable in. And there is usually business to take care
of at a meeting that would be mind numbing for kids to listen to, like
finances, membership issues, etc. If you really wanted to get them
interested, you would get a few amateurs to meet with the kids on the
kids turf, like a classroom, the local YMCA, places like that. The kids
would be comfortable, only hams who ar interested in public outreach
would be involved, and a program could be put together that would keep
the kids involved and interactive.

- Mike KB3EIA -


I think that getting kids involved with local ham clubs is an excellent
idea.
It will socialize them with the older, more experienced hams that can
"elmer" them, show them that there is order and organization, expose
them to programs and activities, etc.

The KEY is finding the RIGHT ham club that will treat the kids the way
they be deserve to be treated as the future of amateur radio, not a club
that will shun and ridicule them as Cindy has described.

Carl - wk3c

Tom wrote:


You are mistaken. CB radio is a legal hobby and so
is packet radio.



But not packet on CB.

"Tom" wrote in message
...


You are mistaken. CB radio is a legal hobby and so
is packet radio.


Both are legal but combining packet with CB is NOT legal. Also US law
limits CB communications to LOCAL use only although propagation makes it
possible to communicate world wide. You are not allowed to make cross
country or out of country contacts on CB.

Actually given the fact that we are in the trough of the sunspot cycle, long
distance communications on the CB band will be rather rare for the next few
years.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message
...

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

But, to answer your paragraph, why would anyone take a group of kids to
an amateur club meeting? It's a completely different environment than
they would be comfortable in. And there is usually business to take care
of at a meeting that would be mind numbing for kids to listen to, like
finances, membership issues, etc. If you really wanted to get them
interested, you would get a few amateurs to meet with the kids on the
kids turf, like a classroom, the local YMCA, places like that. The kids
would be comfortable, only hams who ar interested in public outreach
would be involved, and a program could be put together that would keep
the kids involved and interactive.

- Mike KB3EIA -


I think that getting kids involved with local ham clubs is an excellent
idea.
It will socialize them with the older, more experienced hams that can
"elmer" them, show them that there is order and organization, expose
them to programs and activities, etc.

The KEY is finding the RIGHT ham club that will treat the kids the way
they be deserve to be treated as the future of amateur radio, not a club
that will shun and ridicule them as Cindy has described.

Carl - wk3c


Not only that but if the group is larger than two or three, it would be very
wise to arrange it with the club in advance so that they can set aside some
time from the business meeting to welcome the kids and have material
prepared to show them some of the marvels of ham radio. Just springing a
batch of kids on the club is not the best way to introduce the kids to the
club and vice versa.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Robert Casey" wrote in message
...
Tom wrote:

You are mistaken. CB radio is a legal hobby and so
is packet radio.

But not packet on CB.

This is true in the U.S., but in other parts of the world CB packet is
completely legal, and very popular. FBB BBS software was altered about eight
or nine years ago to make it usable with CB callsigns, because of that
popularity.

There are dozens of European CB packet web-sites... Where have all you guys
been the last decade or so?

If it was legal here in the U.S., it would be popular here, too. Personally,
I do not see any harm in it, but the law is the law. It can't be done here
in the U.S., but we cannot assume that everybody in this newsgroup is in the
U.S.. For some of the readers here, CB packet is a legal, legitimate hobby.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote:
Not up to us 'old white men' to handle you and your problem. I just
forwarded your initial message to the FCC. I hope they find it
interesting.

Don't like that? Too bad.

Dan/W4NTI

I'm sure they need another good laugh from you, twit.

--
GO #40

wrote in message
...
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote:
Not up to us 'old white men' to handle you and your problem. I just
forwarded your initial message to the FCC. I hope they find it
interesting.

Don't like that? Too bad.

Dan/W4NTI

I'm sure they need another good laugh from you, twit.

--
GO #40

QRZ ??? who was the little twit there ??? QRZ ???

Dan/W4NTI

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote:
wrote in message
...
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote:
Not up to us 'old white men' to handle you and your problem. I just
forwarded your initial message to the FCC. I hope they find it
interesting.

Don't like that? Too bad.

Dan/W4NTI

I'm sure they need another good laugh from you, twit.

--
GO #40

QRZ ??? who was the little twit there ??? QRZ ???

Dan/W4NTI

That's easy:

W4NTI
DANIEL L JESWALD
89 WILDMAN RD
ANNISTON AL 36201
USA

--
GO #40

Ham Dat Am wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

Old white guys are a legitimate target - and I hope to someday be an old
white guy.


Don't tell that to an old Marine who fought on Iwo Jima

I was just thinking that being old was better than the alternative! 8^)

And well, white guys of eurpean descent are kind of the target( and
supposed cause of all ills) these day, old or young are the target these
days, no?

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Ham Dat Am" wrote in message
news:i3y1b.12829$S_.6013@fed1read01...
However the original poster Cindy indicated she was in Tampa, FL and her
e-mail address substantiates that.


Well then, it looks like Cindy's just going to have to find something legal
to do. If she really likes packet, I'd recommend that she get her ham ticket
and participate in the fine amateur packet radio activity that goes on in
Florida. They have over 50 SEDAN nodes there if she is into public service
and emergency communications, and there is also a great ROSE network there.

Trying to do packet on CB freqs in Florida will just get her in trouble, to
no particular purpose.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL

Carl R. Stevenson wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

But, to answer your paragraph, why would anyone take a group of kids to
an amateur club meeting? It's a completely different environment than
they would be comfortable in. And there is usually business to take care
of at a meeting that would be mind numbing for kids to listen to, like
finances, membership issues, etc. If you really wanted to get them
interested, you would get a few amateurs to meet with the kids on the
kids turf, like a classroom, the local YMCA, places like that. The kids
would be comfortable, only hams who ar interested in public outreach
would be involved, and a program could be put together that would keep
the kids involved and interactive.

- Mike KB3EIA -



I think that getting kids involved with local ham clubs is an excellent
idea.
It will socialize them with the older, more experienced hams that can
"elmer" them, show them that there is order and organization, expose
them to programs and activities, etc.

The KEY is finding the RIGHT ham club that will treat the kids the way
they be deserve to be treated as the future of amateur radio, not a club
that will shun and ridicule them as Cindy has described.

I think that the best approach is to get with the kids at a level that
they can relate to. And a club meeting is not always the right place.
There is business to attend to, and that is a necessary evil which can
turn a kid off really quickly. It can turn a lot of other people off also.

In our club, the board tries to do as much business as possible during
the separate board meetings. But we still have to bring a surprising
number of issues before the membership.

Now that being said, if someone wanted to bring a number of students to
a club meeting, we would probably come up with some program to keep them
entertained and interactive.

What is interesting to a group of Older folk is probably not going to
be interesting to a group of teenagers, save for a narrow overlap.

The other thing I would be interested in knowing is the other side of
the story. Did Ms Cindy just show up with the kids in tow? Did the hams,
if they knew she was coming, do nothiing special for them? There are
enough unanswered questions that I must go on the evidence presented,
and that is the illegal packet suggestion, and the odd race related
comment. Perhaps Cindy can elaborate.......

- Mike KB3EIA -

charlesb wrote:
"Robert Casey" wrote in message
...

Tom wrote:


You are mistaken. CB radio is a legal hobby and so
is packet radio.


But not packet on CB.


This is true in the U.S., but in other parts of the world CB packet is
completely legal, and very popular. FBB BBS software was altered about eight
or nine years ago to make it usable with CB callsigns, because of that
popularity.

There are dozens of European CB packet web-sites... Where have all you guys
been the last decade or so?

I don't pay much attention to US CB, I'm not about to study the
European version.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"charlesb" wrote:
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
ink.net...


QRZ ??? who was the little twit there ??? QRZ ???

I don't pay much attention to anybody who claims to be a ham but won't
show a callsign. They're almost always anti-ham trolls.

Charles, N5PVL

Why do you cross post your drivel to rec.radio.cb then, brainiak?

--
GO #40

In article , "Tom" writes:

You are mistaken. CB radio is a legal hobby and so
is packet radio.

Tom

Tom:

Cindy's problem is, Packet is not legal on CB! It is authorized on some
of the MURS frequencies, however, so that may possibly be another
outlet for her digital mode experimentation.

73 de Larry, K3LT

In article , "Cindy W"
writes:

Which is exacly why young kids are turned off by ham
radio. I once took a group of young black kids to a
local ham radio club meeting. All the old white men
ignored the kids or made rude remarks. These same
frustrated old white men then wonder why the hobby
is rapidly going the way of the horse & buggy.

Cindy W

Cindy:

My advise to you would be to simply ignore the "old white men."
If you want to get kids involved in amateur radio, I would seek out
some of the younger, more open-minded members of the local
ham radio clubs and ask if they could mentor your group, with
the goal of starting your own radio club geared toward younger
people. This way, they could get started off on the right foot, and
you will not be inhibited by the parochial attitudes you have
experienced in the past.

Keep in mind that once some of these kids get licensed, they
will undoubtedly wish to operate on the local ham repeaters in
your area. It would be a big help if they (the kids) were able to
communicate in good, proper, standard English, without any
"urbanized" speech patterns or language which could cause them
to run into problems being accepted on the air. This is not to
say that their cultural differences cause them to deserve any
kind of negative reaction, just that it would be more helpful to
them in the long run to realize that success in our society
requires them to adopt and adhere to some of the more mainstream
cultural standards. If they are determined to make a point of
their "black" culture in their on-the-air presence, you will definitely
find yourself up against more of the same kind of reaction you
found at the club meeting. However, if these kids are polite,
well-spoken, display proper manners in general and good on-the-air
operating manners in particular, they will most certainly receive
the kind of treatment they expect and deserve.

One more thing -- don't ignore the Morse code. Kids really love it,
and consider the challenge of learning the code and using it to be
interesting and fun. Most of the whining and complaining about
learning the code has traditionally come from middle-aged white
men who simply can't be bothered to learn a useful communications
skill, and just want to pick up a microphone and talk. You and your
kids can run rings around these old timers. You're already going
in the right direction with your interest in Packet Radio, the thing
you need to do now is to get your operation within the limits of
what is legal within the Amateur Radio service, and get your kids
motivated and involved. You will be amazed at how fast they will
learn, if steered in the proper direction. There is nothing about
being a particular skin color which affects intelligence, in spite of
any "Bell Curve" crapola you may have heard about. These kids
will prove this to the world, if only given the proper leadership.

73 de Larry, K3LT

In article pBs1b.11143$S_.4538@fed1read01, "Ham Dat Am"
writes:

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

Old white guys are a legitimate target - and I hope to someday be an old
white guy.

Don't tell that to an old Marine who fought on Iwo Jima

Sorry, 1950 and afterwards doesn't count... :-)

LHA

snip a bunch of stuff


The more I look at this thread the more it looks like the 'almost' perfect
troll. note that Cindy made one posting to start it to two conflicting
groups, one of which is known to be hostile to the discussed activity. She
already knew the frequencies, times, other operators, and apparently had
enough equipment to monitor said activity, which should have been enough to
answer her question without having to post to these groups. And after the
first, and surprisingly civil reply, she hopped in with both feet on a
totally unrelated topic to attack ham operators and label them not only as
judgmental hypocrites, but also as racist old white men... then she
disappeared.

If she could have done both with a single message it might have qualified as
a perfect troll, but now I can only give it a 9 out of 10 on the
troll-o-meter.

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
...
In article , "Cindy W"

writes:

Which is exacly why young kids are turned off by ham
radio. I once took a group of young black kids to a
local ham radio club meeting. All the old white men
ignored the kids or made rude remarks. These same
frustrated old white men then wonder why the hobby
is rapidly going the way of the horse & buggy.

Cindy W

Cindy:

My advise to you would be to simply ignore the "old white men."
If you want to get kids involved in amateur radio, I would seek out
some of the younger, more open-minded members of the local
ham radio clubs and ask if they could mentor your group, with
the goal of starting your own radio club geared toward younger
people.


Based on the very things Larry says below, I suspect, Cindy, that he is also
one of the "old white men." His meaning in the statement above is probably
more like, "with the goal of starting your own radio club geared toward
those kind of people." Larry's said some very questionable things in the
past, although they weren't all that "questionable" to a lot of us. We knew
right where he stood.


This way, they could get started off on the right foot, and
you will not be inhibited by the parochial attitudes you have
experienced in the past.


In other words, since your presence in these "other areas" leads to such
distress, on *your* behalf of course, Cindy and friends, then it would
probably be best if you just stay away from the mainstream folks.


Keep in mind that once some of these kids get licensed, they
will undoubtedly wish to operate on the local ham repeaters in
your area. It would be a big help if they (the kids) were able to
communicate in good, proper, standard English, without any
"urbanized" speech patterns or language which could cause them
to run into problems being accepted on the air.


Oh, so classic. These kids can speak in any way they wish--as long as
people LIKE LARRY are not around! Gosh, Cindy, maybe you should just give
up altogether and make folks like that real happy. (You know I am being
sarchastic, I hope).


This is not to
say that their cultural differences cause them to deserve any
kind of negative reaction, just that it would be more helpful to
them in the long run to realize that success in our society
requires them to adopt and adhere to some of the more mainstream
cultural standards.


If I wasn't trying to be so patient here, my blood would be boiling. Oh,
never mind, it is boiling and, Larry, you are pompous, bigoted jerk. But
you knew that. "Cultural differences" have nothing to do with your
concern--only your own ignorance.


If they are determined to make a point of
their "black" culture in their on-the-air presence, you will definitely
find yourself up against more of the same kind of reaction you
found at the club meeting.


Yeah, don't you get it, Cindy, the way "they" act is a definite sign of
indignance to us white folks. It has nothing to do with the fact that they
*ARE* black, you understand.


However, if these kids are polite,
well-spoken, display proper manners in general and good on-the-air
operating manners in particular, they will most certainly receive
the kind of treatment they expect and deserve.


Yeah, Cindy. Be sure that you teach these black kids how to say "yes sir"
to Larry. They wouldn't, of course, be saying anything like "no sir"
because that would not be polite. And, be sure you get that white accent up
into them before the ever get on the air--or they won't meet Mastah Larrah's
standards of being well-spoken. God forbid that he try to STRETCH HIS
HUMANNESS in any way to understand someone ON THEIR OWN TERMS.


One more thing -- don't ignore the Morse code. Kids really love it,
and consider the challenge of learning the code and using it to be
interesting and fun.


Yeah, Cindy, and if Mastah Larrah can't tell if they're black, he'll be able
to communicate with them. Ya see, Mastah Larrah can only communicate with
beeping because as soon as he opens his arrogant, bigoted, cracker-white
mouth, people turn their backs on him.


Most of the whining and complaining about
learning the code has traditionally come from middle-aged white
men who simply can't be bothered to learn a useful communications
skill, and just want to pick up a microphone and talk. You and your
kids can run rings around these old timers. You're already going
in the right direction with your interest in Packet Radio, the thing
you need to do now is to get your operation within the limits of
what is legal within the Amateur Radio service, and get your kids
motivated and involved.


And remember Cindy, that nothing Mastah Larrah has said YET has anything to
do with the R&R of ham radio--only with his own bigoted attitude. Yep, keep
those little black folks over theyah on the digital modes, Cindy. Mastah
Larrah don't need none 'o that black culture or accent or attitude stuff on
HIS ham radio.


You will be amazed at how fast they will
learn, if steered in the proper direction. There is nothing about
being a particular skin color which affects intelligence, in spite of
any "Bell Curve" crapola you may have heard about. These kids
will prove this to the world, if only given the proper leadership.

73 de Larry, K3LT


He had to get that one in there, Cindy. You see how antiquated his
reference point is. And, that is the world Mastah Larrah lives in. He just
doesn't realize that he is a Mastah to nothing.

Kim W5TIT
I apologize that there are people like that, Cindy. You help those kids get
on the air, if that's what they want. And let them know that if people
can't handle the way they wish to communicate, then that is not their (the
kids') problem. When they are on a repeater, or a frequency, it is "theirs"
anyway. Besides, I would hope we've gotten beyond the attitudes of folks
like Larry enough so that anyone on the air is someone to communicate with.

"charlesb" wrote in message
gy.com...

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
ink.net...


QRZ ??? who was the little twit there ??? QRZ ???

I don't pay much attention to anybody who claims to be a ham but won't
show
a callsign. They're almost always anti-ham trolls.

Charles, N5PVL



Yep.

Dan/W4NTI

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
wrote:
"charlesb" wrote:

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
ink.net...


QRZ ??? who was the little twit there ??? QRZ ???

I don't pay much attention to anybody who claims to be a ham but
won't show a callsign. They're almost always anti-ham trolls.

Charles, N5PVL


Why do you cross post your drivel to rec.radio.cb then, brainiak?

Because the original message was there and in rrap, and I was
responding to a person tha tI think posted from there.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Don't worry about Moparholic. This is his usual troll. Tries to stir it
up, then bitches because its cross posted. He probably cross posted it
anyway.

It don't mean nothin man.

Dan/W4NTI

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
Ham Dat Am wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

Old white guys are a legitimate target - and I hope to someday be an old
white guy.


Don't tell that to an old Marine who fought on Iwo Jima

I was just thinking that being old was better than the alternative! 8^)

And well, white guys of eurpean descent are kind of the target( and
supposed cause of all ills) these day, old or young are the target these
days, no?

- Mike KB3EIA -



What the Marine was saying....is some of us 'old white guys' that are
targets....can fire back.

Dan/W4NTI

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
...
In article , "Cindy W"

writes:

Which is exacly why young kids are turned off by ham
radio. I once took a group of young black kids to a
local ham radio club meeting. All the old white men
ignored the kids or made rude remarks. These same
frustrated old white men then wonder why the hobby
is rapidly going the way of the horse & buggy.

Cindy W

Cindy:

My advise to you would be to simply ignore the "old white men."
If you want to get kids involved in amateur radio, I would seek out
some of the younger, more open-minded members of the local
ham radio clubs and ask if they could mentor your group, with
the goal of starting your own radio club geared toward younger
people. This way, they could get started off on the right foot, and
you will not be inhibited by the parochial attitudes you have
experienced in the past.

Keep in mind that once some of these kids get licensed, they
will undoubtedly wish to operate on the local ham repeaters in
your area. It would be a big help if they (the kids) were able to
communicate in good, proper, standard English, without any
"urbanized" speech patterns or language which could cause them
to run into problems being accepted on the air. This is not to
say that their cultural differences cause them to deserve any
kind of negative reaction, just that it would be more helpful to
them in the long run to realize that success in our society
requires them to adopt and adhere to some of the more mainstream
cultural standards. If they are determined to make a point of
their "black" culture in their on-the-air presence, you will definitely
find yourself up against more of the same kind of reaction you
found at the club meeting. However, if these kids are polite,
well-spoken, display proper manners in general and good on-the-air
operating manners in particular, they will most certainly receive
the kind of treatment they expect and deserve.

One more thing -- don't ignore the Morse code. Kids really love it,
and consider the challenge of learning the code and using it to be
interesting and fun. Most of the whining and complaining about
learning the code has traditionally come from middle-aged white
men who simply can't be bothered to learn a useful communications
skill, and just want to pick up a microphone and talk. You and your
kids can run rings around these old timers. You're already going
in the right direction with your interest in Packet Radio, the thing
you need to do now is to get your operation within the limits of
what is legal within the Amateur Radio service, and get your kids
motivated and involved. You will be amazed at how fast they will
learn, if steered in the proper direction. There is nothing about
being a particular skin color which affects intelligence, in spite of
any "Bell Curve" crapola you may have heard about. These kids
will prove this to the world, if only given the proper leadership.

73 de Larry, K3LT


Well said Larry. As I was reading your comments I was thinking over the
years I have known 'black' operators on ham radio. And you know what? I
can't think of but 1 that acted like a jerk. He is long gone now.

Check out the OMISS group. They have been around for decades. And are
good examples of what you were talking about.

We had a guy here in the South. His name was John. He always was mobile
and we called him 'mobile John'. He was black. And welcomed wherever he
went. A fine gentleman and a great amateur operator.

Dan/W4NTI

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
...
"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
...
In article , "Cindy W"

writes:

Which is exacly why young kids are turned off by ham
radio. I once took a group of young black kids to a
local ham radio club meeting. All the old white men
ignored the kids or made rude remarks. These same
frustrated old white men then wonder why the hobby
is rapidly going the way of the horse & buggy.

Cindy W

Cindy:

My advise to you would be to simply ignore the "old white men."
If you want to get kids involved in amateur radio, I would seek out
some of the younger, more open-minded members of the local
ham radio clubs and ask if they could mentor your group, with
the goal of starting your own radio club geared toward younger
people.


Based on the very things Larry says below, I suspect, Cindy, that he is
also
one of the "old white men." His meaning in the statement above is
probably
more like, "with the goal of starting your own radio club geared toward
those kind of people." Larry's said some very questionable things in the
past, although they weren't all that "questionable" to a lot of us. We
knew
right where he stood.


This way, they could get started off on the right foot, and
you will not be inhibited by the parochial attitudes you have
experienced in the past.


In other words, since your presence in these "other areas" leads to such
distress, on *your* behalf of course, Cindy and friends, then it would
probably be best if you just stay away from the mainstream folks.


Keep in mind that once some of these kids get licensed, they
will undoubtedly wish to operate on the local ham repeaters in
your area. It would be a big help if they (the kids) were able to
communicate in good, proper, standard English, without any
"urbanized" speech patterns or language which could cause them
to run into problems being accepted on the air.


Oh, so classic. These kids can speak in any way they wish--as long as
people LIKE LARRY are not around! Gosh, Cindy, maybe you should just give
up altogether and make folks like that real happy. (You know I am being
sarchastic, I hope).


This is not to
say that their cultural differences cause them to deserve any
kind of negative reaction, just that it would be more helpful to
them in the long run to realize that success in our society
requires them to adopt and adhere to some of the more mainstream
cultural standards.


If I wasn't trying to be so patient here, my blood would be boiling. Oh,
never mind, it is boiling and, Larry, you are pompous, bigoted jerk. But
you knew that. "Cultural differences" have nothing to do with your
concern--only your own ignorance.


If they are determined to make a point of
their "black" culture in their on-the-air presence, you will definitely
find yourself up against more of the same kind of reaction you
found at the club meeting.


Yeah, don't you get it, Cindy, the way "they" act is a definite sign of
indignance to us white folks. It has nothing to do with the fact that
they
*ARE* black, you understand.


However, if these kids are polite,
well-spoken, display proper manners in general and good on-the-air
operating manners in particular, they will most certainly receive
the kind of treatment they expect and deserve.


Yeah, Cindy. Be sure that you teach these black kids how to say "yes sir"
to Larry. They wouldn't, of course, be saying anything like "no sir"
because that would not be polite. And, be sure you get that white accent
up
into them before the ever get on the air--or they won't meet Mastah
Larrah's
standards of being well-spoken. God forbid that he try to STRETCH HIS
HUMANNESS in any way to understand someone ON THEIR OWN TERMS.


One more thing -- don't ignore the Morse code. Kids really love it,
and consider the challenge of learning the code and using it to be
interesting and fun.


Yeah, Cindy, and if Mastah Larrah can't tell if they're black, he'll be
able
to communicate with them. Ya see, Mastah Larrah can only communicate with
beeping because as soon as he opens his arrogant, bigoted, cracker-white
mouth, people turn their backs on him.


Most of the whining and complaining about
learning the code has traditionally come from middle-aged white
men who simply can't be bothered to learn a useful communications
skill, and just want to pick up a microphone and talk. You and your
kids can run rings around these old timers. You're already going
in the right direction with your interest in Packet Radio, the thing
you need to do now is to get your operation within the limits of
what is legal within the Amateur Radio service, and get your kids
motivated and involved.


And remember Cindy, that nothing Mastah Larrah has said YET has anything
to
do with the R&R of ham radio--only with his own bigoted attitude. Yep,
keep
those little black folks over theyah on the digital modes, Cindy. Mastah
Larrah don't need none 'o that black culture or accent or attitude stuff
on
HIS ham radio.


You will be amazed at how fast they will
learn, if steered in the proper direction. There is nothing about
being a particular skin color which affects intelligence, in spite of
any "Bell Curve" crapola you may have heard about. These kids
will prove this to the world, if only given the proper leadership.

73 de Larry, K3LT


He had to get that one in there, Cindy. You see how antiquated his
reference point is. And, that is the world Mastah Larrah lives in. He
just
doesn't realize that he is a Mastah to nothing.

Kim W5TIT
I apologize that there are people like that, Cindy. You help those kids
get
on the air, if that's what they want. And let them know that if people
can't handle the way they wish to communicate, then that is not their (the
kids') problem. When they are on a repeater, or a frequency, it is
"theirs"
anyway. Besides, I would hope we've gotten beyond the attitudes of folks
like Larry enough so that anyone on the air is someone to communicate
with.



Cindy,

I would like to apologize to you for Kim. As you can see by her callsign,
she is somewhat, shall we say...disturbed?

She and Larry don't get along very well. And Twit....er Tit, er Kim
seems to think what he says is directed at her ALL THE TIME.

She is in need of a couch and a cold towel.

Have a good day.

Dan/W4NTI

"K0HB" wrote in message
m...
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote


You *are* correct that there are too many hams who are
not open to, and often disparage, newcomers or "would-be's.
That IS a significant problem in bringing in the newcomers
and, particularly, younger folks who represent the future of
ham radio. On this point we agree 100%.

If there is *one* such ham, that is too many, but you seem to suggest
that the problem is widespread. On that notion we disagree 100%.

For every curmudgeon who disparages newcomers there are thousands who
actively welcome them. Check out www.mnyarc.org. It was formed by
members of our club, originally as a club sponsored Explorer Post, and
has grown into a standalone group fully dedicated to nurturing
youth-oriented amateur radio in our area. Hamfest Minnesota, also
sponsored by our club, has a policy of free admission to hams aged 17
and under. These are just a couple of examples right in my
neighborhood. Maybe you just live in a bad neighborhood.

73, de Hans, K0HB

Hans,

I have seen/heard it from SoCal to Florida to New England ...
over many years ...

However, I did not intend to imply that all/most/a large majority
of hams are that way ... just WAY too many are (although we
agree that even *one* is "too many," my experience is that there
are a LOT more than that ...

Perhaps folks are just friendlier overall up in your neck of
the woods?

Carl - wk3c

gw wrote:

well comcast creep my name is gw, gw beckwith sir and i do not know
those other fine gentlemen but i do appreciate your help on the
matter......a advanced class turd, if you will,....... living in
colorado springs ........that should narrow down the pool of likely
candidates for one bodacious, first class phone phucking......doncha
know...

That is "an advanced class"....doncha know. Why "doncha" learn
the proper use of English?

jim wrote:
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

wrote:
"charlesb" wrote:

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
ink.net...


QRZ ??? who was the little twit there ??? QRZ ???

I don't pay much attention to anybody who claims to be a ham but
won't show a callsign. They're almost always anti-ham trolls.

Charles, N5PVL


Why do you cross post your drivel to rec.radio.cb then, brainiak?

Because the original message was there and in rrap, and I was
responding to a person tha tI think posted from there.

- Mike KB3EIA -



Don't worry about Moparholic. This is his usual troll. Tries to stir
it up, then bitches because its cross posted. He probably cross
posted it anyway.

It don't mean nothin man.

Dan/W4NTI


and you continue the xpost.
it does mean something man.........

He doesn't know any better, he even uses his call on the freeband.

What a dumbass.

--
GO #40

JJ wrote in message ...
gw wrote:




whew!!!! another fink........man that makes me have this incredible
compunction to go take a test ..............

Don't bother, you couldn't pass it, "doncha know". What a turd.

well anyone can obviously go further than you.......i mean......how
come you never went for your general class ham license ......aren't
there any general class guys that sit in as ve's for you to take the
test in beautiful colorado springs john boy?????

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
ink.net...

Don't worry about Moparholic. This is his usual troll. Tries to stir it
up, then bitches because its cross posted. He probably cross posted it
anyway.

It don't mean nothin man.

Dan/W4NTI


Boy, Dan sure sounds like you got him pegged.

"gw" wrote in message
om...
JJ wrote in message
...
gw wrote:




whew!!!! another fink........man that makes me have this incredible
compunction to go take a test ..............

Don't bother, you couldn't pass it, "doncha know". What a turd.

well anyone can obviously go further than you.......i mean......how
come you never went for your general class ham license ......aren't
there any general class guys that sit in as ve's for you to take the
test in beautiful colorado springs john boy?????


gw,curiousdan,pinhead,icecoldbeer etc etc, you sure are stuoid JJ is an
advanced class which is higher than general, now go wash off, you stink

"SD Special Delivery Jones" wrote:
you sure are stuoid JJ

You're a ****ing moron.

--
GO #40

"SD Special Delivery Jones" wrote:
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
ink.net...

Don't worry about Moparholic. This is his usual troll. Tries to stir
it up, then bitches because its cross posted. He probably cross
posted it anyway.

It don't mean nothin man.

Dan/W4NTI

Boy, Dan sure sounds like you got him pegged.

The old irony meter is -pegged-. One retard kissing the others ass.

--
GO #40

"SD Special Delivery Jones" wrote in message ...
"gw" wrote in message
om...
JJ wrote in message
...
gw wrote:




whew!!!! another fink........man that makes me have this incredible
compunction to go take a test ..............

Don't bother, you couldn't pass it, "doncha know". What a turd.

well anyone can obviously go further than you.......i mean......how
come you never went for your general class ham license ......aren't
there any general class guys that sit in as ve's for you to take the
test in beautiful colorado springs john boy?????


gw,curiousdan,pinhead,icecoldbeer etc etc, you sure are stuoid JJ is an
advanced class which is higher than general, now go wash off, you stink


well comcast creep my name is gw, gw beckwith sir and i do not know
those other fine gentlemen but i do appreciate your help on the
matter......a advanced class turd, if you will,....... living in
colorado springs ........that should narrow down the pool of likely
candidates for one bodacious, first class phone phucking......doncha
know...

"gw" wrote in message
om...
wrote in message
...
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
wrote:
"charlesb" wrote:

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in
message
ink.net...


QRZ ??? who was the little twit there ??? QRZ ???

I don't pay much attention to anybody who claims to be a ham but
won't show a callsign. They're almost always anti-ham trolls.

Charles, N5PVL


Why do you cross post your drivel to rec.radio.cb then, brainiak?

Because the original message was there and in rrap, and I was
responding to a person tha tI think posted from there.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Don't worry about Moparholic. This is his usual troll. Tries to
stir
it up, then bitches because its cross posted. He probably cross
posted
it anyway.

It don't mean nothin man.

Dan/W4NTI

I'm starting to hear W4NTI on the freeband.

well it is no different than john boy running around calling himself
ve1jot...i don't understand how some dude that lives in colorado goes
around calling himself a canadian hamster...........i guess it is a
attempt by some old agitator wantabee to try and shake the dogs of
war, but as is usually the case.........these types of blowhards
always make a mistake and it can be safely said that both , danny boy
and johnny boy are two peas in the same pod so to speak........long on
the mouth and short on the ass..... ......doncha know.......


Who the hell is 'johnny boy' and what makes you think the real W4NTI gives a
rats ass about the 'freeband' ?, whatever that is.

Dan/W4NTI