"Bob Brock" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 09:43:32 -0500, "Kim W5TIT"
wrote:


To use Hans' spelling: for crying out phucking loud, Bob. Either you
literally have just decided to pop in and don't read any other time; or
you
really are just trolling. This newsgroup runs several, *several* topics
at
any given time. You can choose whatever ones you would like and even
create
your own. But, you aren't going to change the debate on CW and no one
ever
will. I just laughed hysterically at another post of yours, where you
said,
"thank goodness it will all be ending soon." That's ludicrous. You're
either young or blissful if you think the CW debate is going to end or go
away.

Anyone who can read the news knows which way code testing is going to
go. The only real question is when. I see that Oz has decided that
they don't have to wait until 2005 to dump it. Gee...what a suprise.


Bob. You're young, aren't you? I can almost tell that by your optimistic
attitude about the CW issue. You have to realize, Bob, that the CW issue
for the drunken-type ramblers is not a CW issue at all. It's a value
issue--that they value some mysterious talent they see in their ability and
desire to use CW. It isn't about regulations, it isn't about the FCC, it
isn't about whether it is a testing element or not. In their eyes, they
will always be above anyone else not of their ilk. We know that's wrong.
Others who have far more logic and brains and the capacity to think straight
know that's wrong. But, they do not. So, their incessant whining and
arguing and condemning and blaming will go on into eternity, while the rest
of ham radio--the real part--moves on, has fun, helps out, and grows.

I have to be pretty darned "professional" during the day
and getting down to another level sure is great fun!

Oh, I come and go. I have many more parts to my life that are more
pressing sometimes than ham radio or the newsgroup, but I won't go
into them. It sounds like the serious hams who want to discuss real
ham things have lives too.


Absolutely. The only reason I happened upon the newsgroup again is I've
been designing and building an MS Access application for use by a company.
I am on the computer so much at work that it really isn't a draw here at
home. When I was on before, we'd actually just gotten the internet
connection, and a second computer so we didn't have to "share" :GRIN: and I
would load up the newsgroup while I was cruising around. For this project
that I did here, we went out and bought a new computer with Office XP Pro,
Office Pro, TurboCAD, Dreamweaver, and Crystal Reports. This MS Access
application turned into an all-out total package for the company and it's
challenged some of my abilities--which I really dig because it's meant
growing some new knowledge and that's never bad!

At any rate, the project is now winding down, save some tweaks and mods. I
don't know if I'll keep coming to the newsgroup. I don't have much to do on
the computer at home; I'm much more an outside or home decorating person
than I am a internet junkie (hubby's the internet junkie). And, heck--now
we're looking at new homes so that's bound to keep me distracted. But, like
I said, after the shock that there are people who act the way they do here
in this newsgroup, it becomes nothing but fun and entertainment to draw them
out--well, except for DICK who can't directly respond to anyone who's
smarter than he--into a tirade of emotion. The occasional
half-serious-to-serious discussion is great.


BTW, the last time that I read anything is this ng was when you posted
your goodbye to the group way back when. You see, this is a newsgroup
that you can leave for months or years and come back exactly where you
left off because the same things are being said over and over again.


Oh yeah. You got that right. For those folks whom you depict above, all
one need do is imagine the local bar-and-grill/pub, where Johnny and Drake
and Chuck have hung forever. One walks in, could be 15 years later, and
there they a still on the same stool, slumped over, arguing the same
damned things they've argued for years. Pathetic, I know, but it's no
different than watching a car race, not for the winner but to see what
accidents we can see.


Personally, I kinda like your callsign. I hope that you can live up
to it.


I couldn't care less whether you like it or not, Bob. I don't care if
anyone else likes it or not. It's personal between and a group of friends
and the rest of the world be damned.


And that debate has been had and made many times here; and it's coming up
again--Winter is coming.

Kim W5TIT

So, basically you're saying that the ng is stuck and useless except
for a distraction.


Absolutely. The only folks you'll ever see in any half-way decent debates
in this newsgroup are Jim/N2EY; Brian Kelley; Hans--once in a while; and the
occasional visitors who'll bring up something happenstance into this
newsgroup and figure out real quick that there's so few serious participants
that it's just not worth it.


That's a shame, but I tend to agree with you.


Oh, I don't think it's a shame...'least not any more. I kinda like it. I
don't know where you work or what have to do for a living but I get plenty
of serious, mentally challenging, stressful distractions at work. I think
the transition I used to look for here was a
seriuos-but-not-mentally-challenging exchange. Well, that's not going to
happen so I just shed all the "stuff" and decide to be as basal as I can
possibly be--unless there's something that I can contribute to an
intellectual discussion. And, let's face it, I'm just not into ham radio
for the intellectualism of it so most of those discussions go way up over my
head and I am bored to tears with the idea of learning enough about whatever
is that's being discussed...!! Reading those discussions is like just
looking at the cover of that mag that ARRL puts out--the Techie one.


Still though, I think that if a few hams wanted to discuss stuff that
is actually policy related with regards to enforcement, policy, etc.
it could become a useful group with a lot of filtering.


That possibility is insidiously redundant, i.e., can happen anywhere.
There's nothing stopping you from doing that right here--a new thread--and
completely ignoring the posts to it that have nothing to do with the topic
and everything to do with one's being on top of their imaginative mountain.
You could also start it--well, anywhere.

Kim W5TIT

On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 09:12:21 -0500, "Kim W5TIT"
wrote:

"Bob Brock" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 09:43:32 -0500, "Kim W5TIT"
wrote:


To use Hans' spelling: for crying out phucking loud, Bob. Either you
literally have just decided to pop in and don't read any other time; or
you
really are just trolling. This newsgroup runs several, *several* topics
at
any given time. You can choose whatever ones you would like and even
create
your own. But, you aren't going to change the debate on CW and no one
ever
will. I just laughed hysterically at another post of yours, where you
said,
"thank goodness it will all be ending soon." That's ludicrous. You're
either young or blissful if you think the CW debate is going to end or go
away.

Anyone who can read the news knows which way code testing is going to
go. The only real question is when. I see that Oz has decided that
they don't have to wait until 2005 to dump it. Gee...what a suprise.


Bob. You're young, aren't you? I can almost tell that by your optimistic
attitude about the CW issue. You have to realize, Bob, that the CW issue
for the drunken-type ramblers is not a CW issue at all. It's a value
issue--that they value some mysterious talent they see in their ability and
desire to use CW. It isn't about regulations, it isn't about the FCC, it
isn't about whether it is a testing element or not. In their eyes, they
will always be above anyone else not of their ilk. We know that's wrong.
Others who have far more logic and brains and the capacity to think straight
know that's wrong. But, they do not. So, their incessant whining and
arguing and condemning and blaming will go on into eternity, while the rest
of ham radio--the real part--moves on, has fun, helps out, and grows.

I'm pushing 50, but I like to convince myself that I'm still young.
Once the decision is made, all that will be left will those who
reminice about the good ole days when you couldn't talk on HF if you
didn't know how to not talk on HF.

I have to be pretty darned "professional" during the day
and getting down to another level sure is great fun!

Oh, I come and go. I have many more parts to my life that are more
pressing sometimes than ham radio or the newsgroup, but I won't go
into them. It sounds like the serious hams who want to discuss real
ham things have lives too.


Absolutely. The only reason I happened upon the newsgroup again is I've
been designing and building an MS Access application for use by a company.
I am on the computer so much at work that it really isn't a draw here at
home. When I was on before, we'd actually just gotten the internet
connection, and a second computer so we didn't have to "share" :GRIN: and I
would load up the newsgroup while I was cruising around. For this project
that I did here, we went out and bought a new computer with Office XP Pro,
Office Pro, TurboCAD, Dreamweaver, and Crystal Reports. This MS Access
application turned into an all-out total package for the company and it's
challenged some of my abilities--which I really dig because it's meant
growing some new knowledge and that's never bad!

At any rate, the project is now winding down, save some tweaks and mods. I
don't know if I'll keep coming to the newsgroup. I don't have much to do on
the computer at home; I'm much more an outside or home decorating person
than I am a internet junkie (hubby's the internet junkie). And, heck--now
we're looking at new homes so that's bound to keep me distracted. But, like
I said, after the shock that there are people who act the way they do here
in this newsgroup, it becomes nothing but fun and entertainment to draw them
out--well, except for DICK who can't directly respond to anyone who's
smarter than he--into a tirade of emotion. The occasional
half-serious-to-serious discussion is great.


BTW, the last time that I read anything is this ng was when you posted
your goodbye to the group way back when. You see, this is a newsgroup
that you can leave for months or years and come back exactly where you
left off because the same things are being said over and over again.


Oh yeah. You got that right. For those folks whom you depict above, all
one need do is imagine the local bar-and-grill/pub, where Johnny and Drake
and Chuck have hung forever. One walks in, could be 15 years later, and
there they a still on the same stool, slumped over, arguing the same
damned things they've argued for years. Pathetic, I know, but it's no
different than watching a car race, not for the winner but to see what
accidents we can see.


Personally, I kinda like your callsign. I hope that you can live up
to it.


I couldn't care less whether you like it or not, Bob. I don't care if
anyone else likes it or not. It's personal between and a group of friends
and the rest of the world be damned.


And that debate has been had and made many times here; and it's coming up
again--Winter is coming.

Kim W5TIT

So, basically you're saying that the ng is stuck and useless except
for a distraction.


Absolutely. The only folks you'll ever see in any half-way decent debates
in this newsgroup are Jim/N2EY; Brian Kelley; Hans--once in a while; and the
occasional visitors who'll bring up something happenstance into this
newsgroup and figure out real quick that there's so few serious participants
that it's just not worth it.


That's a shame, but I tend to agree with you.


Oh, I don't think it's a shame...'least not any more. I kinda like it. I
don't know where you work or what have to do for a living but I get plenty
of serious, mentally challenging, stressful distractions at work. I think
the transition I used to look for here was a
seriuos-but-not-mentally-challenging exchange. Well, that's not going to
happen so I just shed all the "stuff" and decide to be as basal as I can
possibly be--unless there's something that I can contribute to an
intellectual discussion. And, let's face it, I'm just not into ham radio
for the intellectualism of it so most of those discussions go way up over my
head and I am bored to tears with the idea of learning enough about whatever
is that's being discussed...!! Reading those discussions is like just
looking at the cover of that mag that ARRL puts out--the Techie one.


Still though, I think that if a few hams wanted to discuss stuff that
is actually policy related with regards to enforcement, policy, etc.
it could become a useful group with a lot of filtering.


That possibility is insidiously redundant, i.e., can happen anywhere.
There's nothing stopping you from doing that right here--a new thread--and
completely ignoring the posts to it that have nothing to do with the topic
and everything to do with one's being on top of their imaginative mountain.
You could also start it--well, anywhere.

I think I'll thy here for awhile.