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The following isn't exactly a new idea, but some may not have seen it
yet...

Maybe the way out of the mess is for a Smith Chart test to replace
the code test.

So you still want the Amateur Radio Service to be the exclusive domain
of the Electrical Engineer's?

Nope. One does not have to be an EE in order to understand, and use, the Smith
Chart. Many hams who are not EEs have Smithc Chart knowledge and skill. Many
EEs do not.

Name ONE school that teaches Smith Charts that is not an Engineering school.

Just ONE!

Why?

Can't you?

Of course I can.

Smith Chart use is not usually an engineering school course.

Didn't say it was. Why does it have to be a course? Why can't it be
ancilliary training?

You are full of questions but short on answers.

Did you use the Smith Chart while attending Engineering School?

Why is that important?

It's
something those interested are expected to learn on their own,

Expected by whom?

So why suggest the FCC/VEC test it?

Why not? Are you "Smith Chart impaired"? Do you think it would be too
much of a "burden"?

like
how to use a calculator today, or a slide rule in years gone by.

Or EZ-NEC?

I've used both EZNEC and the Smith Chart. I don't think you have.

I learned the Chart from the ARRL Antenna Book, not from EE school.

So EE schools don't even teach it, yet you promote it in the amateur
service?

Antennas and RF transmission lines are not dealt with by every EE.
Every ham that gets on the air deals with antennas.

btw, the plural of "Electrical Engineer" is "Electrical Engineers" not
"Electrical Engineer's". "Electrical Engineer's" is the possessive

So Electrical Engineers want to posess all of Amatuer Radio?

Ask vshah101, that's his mantra.

The argument is much older than Vipul, and you darned well know it.

I have no idea what argument you mean. And you darned well know it.

I don't think that's what the FCC wants, but since the NCVEC can do
any damned thing they want, go ahead and put it to them.

NCVEC could not create a separate Smith Chart test without FCC approval.

Bull****!

Yes, that's what your posts are usually full of, Brian.

And you darned well know it.

Part 97 specifically lists the tests for each class of license.

And what of the contents of those tests? Does the FCC mandate what
material is to be tested, or can the NCVEC slip in just about anything
they want, in any quantity they want?

You are full of questions and short of answers. Read Part 97.

Right now there are three written tests, all multiple choice. And one
code test. No Smith Chart test.

Then why must you promote the idea of "No Charts International?"

Obviously, you are humor- and irony-impaired, Brian Burke.

And
they could not deviate from multiple-choice format.

Bull****!

You really should read Part 97.

Not a problem. You should suggest the NCVEC read it.

You're the one with all the questions and all the time. You ask 'em.

It's obvious that irony is not one of your strong points, Brian.

It is obvious that NCVEC reality is not one of yours.

That's just plain wrong. NCVEC cannot add a Smith Chart test for the
reasons I listed. Read Part 97.

They can slide it in to any existing exam.

Not the test I described.

No questions asked.

FCC must approve every question in the pool.

With
the QP loaded with Smith Chart questions, they could deny access to
any of the 3 license classes.

How? The Smith Chart is not very hard to learn.

Besides, NCVEC complains that the code test requires too much work
from the VEs and is too stressful on those being tested. I can imagine
what they'd say if they had to supervise and grade a Smith Chart test.

It would have to be multiple choice, remember???

So it cannot be that hard.

And I can imagine how much you'd complain and argue if a Smith Chart
test were substituted for the code test.

How much?

You demonstrate how much with every post.

You aked why, then you can't deal with the answer.

You say EE schools don't teach the Smith Chart, then you cay you can
name one that does, but then won't.

You say that Smith Charts are easy to learn, and won't keep anyone out
of the Amateur Service, but there are far far fewer Smith Chart users
than Morse Code users, and Morse Code keeps people out of the ARS.

You're acting obtuse. Are you Dave in drag?

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