"N2EY" wrote


Then answer this question: Why should people who are not interested in
building or fixing their radios have to learn all that theory stuff
for the written tests? Why are all hams tested on all sorts of stuff
they are not interested in?


Because the terms of their license make them responsible for the quality
of their radiated signal(s).

Without demonstrating some familiarity with the basic underlying
science, it would be irresponsible of the regulators to allow an
applicant to establish a radio transmitting station on the public
airways. Familiarize yourself with the concept "tragedy of the
commons".

73, de Hans, K0HB



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In article ilgate.org, "Hans
K0HB" writes:

"N2EY" wrote


Then answer this question: Why should people who are not interested in
building or fixing their radios have to learn all that theory stuff
for the written tests? Why are all hams tested on all sorts of stuff
they are not interested in?

Because the terms of their license make them responsible for the quality
of their radiated signal(s).

Without demonstrating some familiarity with the basic underlying
science, it would be irresponsible of the regulators to allow an
applicant to establish a radio transmitting station on the public
airways. Familiarize yourself with the concept "tragedy of the
commons".

That's very incorrect, Hans Kohb.

Everyone knows that "CW" gets through when nothing else will, so
all that is required for amateur radio is to demonstrate on-off keying
morse code ability and that will suffice.

Right?

LHA

(Len Over 21) wrote


Everyone knows that "CW" gets through when nothing else will, so
all that is required for amateur radio is to demonstrate on-off keying
morse code ability and that will suffice.

Right?


Wrong, Your Eminent Pompousity.

With all kind wishes,

de Hans, K0HB

In article ilgate.org, "Hans
K0HB" writes:

"N2EY" wrote


Then answer this question: Why should people who are not interested in
building or fixing their radios have to learn all that theory stuff
for the written tests? Why are all hams tested on all sorts of stuff
they are not interested in?

Because the terms of their license make them responsible for the quality
of their radiated signal(s).

Maybe. But a ham is not required to actually know how his/her equipment works,
nor to be able to work on it. Just for the result.

I'm not required to know how my cars work, just how to use them safely. I am
"responsible", however, to see that they meet all applicable DMV requirements,
including pollution and safety equipment. I can do the work myself or have it
done by others. The same is true for ham equipment.

The FCC thinks that Technicians are adequately tested on that, for all
authorized modes and technologies. There are no modes or technologies
authorized for amateur HF/MF that are not also authorized for amateur VHF/UHF.
So there is no absolute need for any of the General or Extra written tests
*except* perhaps a few regulatory and propagation questions.

Without demonstrating some familiarity with the basic underlying
science, it would be irresponsible of the regulators to allow an
applicant to establish a radio transmitting station on the public
airways.

See above about Technicians.

And here's another point: There's almost nothing in the tests about some
technologies that hams are allowed to use. For example, vacuum tubes - not very
much in the tests about them! Yet FCC *trusts* hams who want to use vacuum tube
technology to learn what they need to know about it and operate their equipment
responsibly. So why all the tests?

Familiarize yourself with the concept "tragedy of the
commons".

You got a handy reference?

73 de Jim, N2EY

(N2EY) wrote


The FCC thinks that Technicians are adequately tested on that, for all
authorized modes and technologies. There are no modes or technologies
authorized for amateur HF/MF that are not also authorized for amateur VHF/UHF.
So there is no absolute need for any of the General or Extra written tests
*except* perhaps a few regulatory and propagation questions.

Jim, your strawman is aflame, because I just ****ed flaming napalm on it. Grow up.

Hans

K0HB wrote:
(N2EY) wrote


The FCC thinks that Technicians are adequately tested on that, for all
authorized modes and technologies. There are no modes or technologies
authorized for amateur HF/MF that are not also authorized for amateur VHF/UHF.
So there is no absolute need for any of the General or Extra written tests
*except* perhaps a few regulatory and propagation questions.


Jim, your strawman is aflame, because I just ****ed flaming napalm on it. Grow up.

Doggone it Hans! you just made me spit soda out my nose! HOWL!

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article ,
(K0HB) writes:

(N2EY) wrote


The FCC thinks that Technicians are adequately tested on that, for all
authorized modes and technologies. There are no modes or technologies
authorized for amateur HF/MF that are not also authorized for amateur
VHF/UHF.
So there is no absolute need for any of the General or Extra written tests
*except* perhaps a few regulatory and propagation questions.

Jim, your strawman is aflame, because I just ****ed flaming napalm on it.

Hans,

It's not a strawman at all. It's a logical conclusion.

Can you show where my argument is logically invalid?

If someone really wanted to gut the written tests of most theory using
arguments similar to those used against the code test, how would you defend the
written tests?

W5YI and others have said that the entry-level *written* tests are too hard. So
it's not something nobody but me is looking at.

You might want to take a look at what has happened to the number of new
Technician licenses issued since the new Tech Q&A pool was put in place a while
ago.

Grow up.

Hans, I am saddened that you revert to personal attack and talking down to
someone who presents an argument you dislike. At least you didn't send me to an
Amish rake fight.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , (N2EY)
writes:

Hans, I am saddened that you revert to personal attack and talking down to
someone who presents an argument you dislike. At least you didn't send me to
an Amish rake fight.

...the Amish would win.

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article ilgate.org,
"Hans
K0HB" writes:

"N2EY" wrote
Then answer this question: Why should people who are not interested in
building or fixing their radios have to learn all that theory stuff
for the written tests? Why are all hams tested on all sorts of stuff
they are not interested in?

Because the terms of their license make them responsible for the quality
of their radiated signal(s).

Maybe. But a ham is not required to actually know how his/her equipment
works,
nor to be able to work on it. Just for the result.

If you firmly believe hams don't need to know theory, then
petition the FCC to end theory knowledge as a test requirement.
If you don't then your argument is just a means to divert
the issue to arguing a different subject.

I'm not required to know how my cars work, just how to use them safely. I
am
"responsible", however, to see that they meet all applicable DMV
requirements,
including pollution and safety equipment. I can do the work myself or have
it
done by others. The same is true for ham equipment.

I repeat my comment from above.

The FCC thinks that Technicians are adequately tested on that, for all
authorized modes and technologies. There are no modes or technologies
authorized for amateur HF/MF that are not also authorized for amateur
VHF/UHF.
So there is no absolute need for any of the General or Extra written tests
*except* perhaps a few regulatory and propagation questions.

I repeat again.

Without demonstrating some familiarity with the basic underlying
science, it would be irresponsible of the regulators to allow an
applicant to establish a radio transmitting station on the public
airways.

See above about Technicians.

And here's another point: There's almost nothing in the tests about some
technologies that hams are allowed to use. For example, vacuum tubes - not
very
much in the tests about them! Yet FCC *trusts* hams who want to use vacuum
tube
technology to learn what they need to know about it and operate their
equipment
responsibly. So why all the tests?

Ditto my last :-) :-)

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK