"Hans K0HB" wrote in message
m...


But that's exactly what was suggested. Your words, written in a clear
English declarative statement are unambiguous and say "NO ONE should
be kept out of the ARS" --- that's pretty much the same as saying
"NO ONE should be denied a drivers license".

see why the PCTA is accused of slant and spin?
I am pretty sure that the phrase "who passes the tests required by
contemporary
modern society" was implied. If not, the part about "get thier license"
pretty much
removed any remaining "grey area" or misunderstanding.


Personally, I think persons who fail the test (or haven't taken a test)
SHOULD be kept out of the ARS.

73, de Hans, K0HB

that's what kim said.

Clint
KB5ZHT
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"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
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I quoted this part because I wanted to make sure everyone read it. When
it
comes to at least a few of those on the pro-code side, I think you hit the
nail right on the head with this, Kim.

She DID.. she articulated one of thier unspoken doctrines exactly.
It was what I meant by overtones of superiority as well (in addition to).

Need more? What about thier constant use of the term "CBplusser" and
so forth... I don't know if THEY have kept up to date on ham
radio violation records, but the vast majority of code & rule violaters are
hams who've been in the hobby for many many years, have advanced licenses
(advanced, extra) and thus have passed morse code testing. The hams I
have met personally that came out of 11 meters were the best hams I ever
met. WHY? Because they KNEW where they came from, how nice it is
up here, and have thus a respect for the advancement into a more
serious hobby.

The foulest mouths i've ever heard were on 75 meters ssb, and one ham
who's call I won't mention was denied advancement by hollingsworth HIMSELF
(you can look it up on ARRL records).. he lived at the time in conroe,
texas....
he use to get just slobbering drunk on the radio and really raise hell;
cussing,
insulting, playing music, everything. He passed the code requirements and
written exam to advance to an even higher license, but recieved a letter
from Hollingworth saying "you are not being given your upgrade, and
furthermore, never will until I recieve a written letter from you explaining
why you feel you DESERVE one."

THAT ham was a long time veteran ham who had already passed a
CW test. Therefore, any argument brought up that CW testing is
a "yahoo filter" as they call it is wrong. It doesn't stop any such thing.
Like you and kim, I feel it's a "good old boy club" sydrome, of you will.
They just don't like these "new people"... "we don't like thier kind
here... they're not like us!"

Clint
KB5ZHT

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What about thier constant use of the term "CBplusser" and
so forth...

Because it fits.



The hams I
have met personally that came out of 11 meters were the best hams I ever
met.

Thats because Birds of a Feather stick together, and you dont have a CLUE what
a REAL HAM is. And thats another reason you will always be a CBPLUSSER.

WHO is doing the name calling? it's not the NCTA group calling
the PCTA "lazy", "stupid", and an assortment of complex insults
using spurious comparisons.

Well if the shoe fits wear it you CBplusser

"Hans K0HB" wrote in message
m...
"Kim W5TIT" wrote

"Kim W5TIT" wrote

One: no one should be kept out of the ARS--let
them get their license and stand or fail on their merit.

You can't really mean that! I do not support continuation of
the Morse test, but to suggest that we should just hand out
licenses to anyone regardless of demonstrated qualification
and let them "stand or fail on their merit" is the silliest
notion I have seen here yet.
That's like saying "let anyone get their drivers license
and stand or fail on their driving record" without having
passed a test.

73, de Hans, K0HB


Yeah. What you suggest would be like saying that. But that was not
suggested and your attempt to stretch it to that is rather unlike you...

But that's exactly what was suggested. Your words, written in a clear
English declarative statement are unambiguous and say "NO ONE should
be kept out of the ARS" --- that's pretty much the same as saying
"NO ONE should be denied a drivers license".


OK, Hans. I forgot how the pholks like you need such phucking (HansTM)
pictures drawn for them. Here you go:

No one should be kept out of the ARS who is willing to meet the requirements
that are in current use at the time they begin entry into the service/hobby.
And the whole damned comment as a defense against the idea of those who
believe CW testing is a great way to filter out people from the ARS. Quit
being so stupid.


Personally, I think persons who fail the test (or haven't taken a test)
SHOULD be kept out of the ARS.

73, de Hans, K0HB


Me too. I hope you phinally phucking phigured that out. Good phucking
grief.

Kim W5TIT

In article , "Clint" rattlehead at
computron dot net writes:

"Hans K0HB" wrote in message
om...


But that's exactly what was suggested. Your words, written in a clear
English declarative statement are unambiguous and say "NO ONE should
be kept out of the ARS" --- that's pretty much the same as saying
"NO ONE should be denied a drivers license".

see why the PCTA is accused of slant and spin?

Nope.

I am pretty sure that the phrase "who passes the tests required by
contemporary
modern society" was implied.

Wasn't clear at all.

If not, the part about "get thier license"
pretty much
removed any remaining "grey area" or misunderstanding.

The word is spelled "THEIR", Clint. Turn on your spellchecker if you can't
remember it.

Personally, I think persons who fail the test (or haven't taken a test)
SHOULD be kept out of the ARS.

73, de Hans, K0HB

that's what kim said.

No, she didn't.

And, btw, what makes you think Hans is "PCTA"?

Dwight Stewart wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote:

No, he isn't. But that's about all the positive things I
can say about him. But I don't think he is exactly a
shining example of a NCTA - unless you agree with
the pejoratives he like to call us.

Unless you happen to agree with them, of course.
You don't think we're N***'s do you???



Actually, I didn't even noticed Clint before four or five days ago. If he
posted to this newsgroup prior to that, he was just another one of the many
doing so. To be honest, I don't read most of the messages here. Unless the
subject line catches my eye, I routinely highlight large groups of messages
and mark them as read in my newsreader. Once that happens, I rarely see
those messages again since my newsreader is set to not list messages I've
read (or marked as read). The only way to see them again would be as a
result in a newgroup search.

That could be enlightening.

But, to answer your question, I don't agree with the use of pejoratives or
uncomplimentary terms to describe anybody. Well, I might make an exception
with Larry, but that would be a very rare exception. I strongly believe we
have to get past this code debate and move on to more productive matters.
Throwing around nasty remarks isn't going to help do that.



(snip) I would have to say that in principle that the more
knowledge a ham has, the more likely he or she will be
a superoir ham, (snip)



Perhaps I'm too liberal for this discussion. I don't agree with the very
concept of a superior ham. We're all individuals with unique skills,
knowledge, and experience, to bring to the table, none of those superior or
inferior to that offered by others.

It's not a liberal or a conservative concept. It's just a matter of
what a person inherently likes. In all my pursuits, I like a certain
amount of panache in those around me. I like hard working, reasonably
skilled people on my hockey team, I like my friends to be hard working,
reasonably smart and witty, and I like the idea of the ARS having some
sort of standard. Others obviously disagree.

I'm not going to force my opinions on anyone, but by gum, I'll make
them known.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , "Clint" rattlehead at
computron dot net writes:

"Hans K0HB" wrote in message
om...


But that's exactly what was suggested. Your words, written in a clear
English declarative statement are unambiguous and say "NO ONE should
be kept out of the ARS" --- that's pretty much the same as saying
"NO ONE should be denied a drivers license".

see why the PCTA is accused of slant and spin?

Nope.

I am pretty sure that the phrase "who passes the tests required by
contemporary
modern society" was implied.

Wasn't clear at all.

If not, the part about "get thier license"
pretty much
removed any remaining "grey area" or misunderstanding.

The word is spelled "THEIR", Clint. Turn on your spellchecker if you can't
remember it.

Personally, I think persons who fail the test (or haven't taken a test)
SHOULD be kept out of the ARS.

73, de Hans, K0HB

that's what kim said.

No, she didn't.

And, btw, what makes you think Hans is "PCTA"?



Jim, I am really, really surprised that you failed to understand that the
part about meeting test requirements was implied. I really am...

Oh well...

Kim W5TIT

Hans K0HB wrote:


Personally, I think persons who fail the test (or haven't taken a test)
SHOULD be kept out of the ARS.

Elitist! 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

"WA8ULX" wrote:

Well if the shoe fits wear it you CBplusser


Do you follow your own advice, Bruce? If so, you must be wearing some
really foul smelling shoes at this very moment because that would be the
only shoes that fit you.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/