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"N2EY" wrote in message om... On cb (this is the short list): - Operation without a license (when licenses were required) - Failure to identify Hey, Jim? Just a quick question, 'cause I'm going on what goes on around here. Have you ever heard long-time hams of the elder generation who get on a club repeater and routinely forget to identify? I've heard entire conversations take place here, where one or more of the long-time hams [probably forget] fail to identify--even when they leave the radio. - False/misleading identification Haven't heard much of that on ham radio. - Power far in excess of legal limit Heck, I wouldn't know if that was taking place without the right test equipment I suppose. I could sure guess it one way or the other or, again, take some hams around here at their word that they "chuckle have a tendency to overdo it now and then to get that " "rare" " one." - Use of non-type-accepted/certified equipment Ditto above. - Operation on unauthorized frequencies Haven't listened long enough at any time to see how much/often I hear this on ham radio. Bet it goes on more than we realize, though(?) - Intentional interference Hear that all the time on VHF and HF. More common on VHF, though. - Obscenity/profanity/vulgarity Hear that all the time. And, I'd classify calling Democrats Nazis as being vulgar, etc. I hear conversations such as this quite routinely around here--again from long-time hams on their local "club" machines--I guess where they figure they have earned the right to be that way. - Contacts beyond the legal distance limit - Contacts beyond the legal time limit Of course, this would be a moot point--for the most part--on ham radio. And the big one: - Use of radio to facilitate other illegal activities (such as speed limit violations) Well, gotta hang my head again and say that I hear that routinely done around here on 2M. In fact, you'll hear the proverbial "smokey" reports, and hear of hams bragging all the time about zooming down the highway ("I'm trying to catch up with you, dude, and I'm doing 75; how fast *are* you going?"). Really. Just my two pennies worth of stuff that can go on whether it's CB or not. And, I agree with you on all the comments about TV, etc., although I like most of the comedy shows on ABC. Kim W5TIT |
"Len Over 21" wrote in message ... Now you can get all upset and indignant, Len old boy, but the facts are the facts. Noooooo...those are just your OPINIONS. :-) Not only that, consider the source... you're dealing with another PCTA type that didn't receive his or her fair share of grey matter such that self-determination isn't possible... it's just "bleat like the rest of the sheep" "CW test good.... modernization bad..... CW test good.... mdernization bad...." Clint -- The first amendment was meant to protect individual citizen's rights to free speech from being hindered or banned by the government. Did anybody else notice that it was 3 candidates for president of the democratic party that called for Rush Limbaugh's firing for what he said? |
"Clint" rattlehead at computron dot net wrote in message
... "Len Over 21" wrote in message ... Now you can get all upset and indignant, Len old boy, but the facts are the facts. Noooooo...those are just your OPINIONS. :-) Not only that, consider the source... you're dealing with another PCTA type that didn't receive his or her fair share of grey matter such that self-determination isn't possible... it's just "bleat like the rest of the sheep" "CW test good.... modernization bad..... CW test good.... mdernization bad...." Clint -- The first amendment was meant to protect individual citizen's rights to free speech from being hindered or banned by the government. Did anybody else notice that it was 3 candidates for president of the democratic party that called for Rush Limbaugh's firing for what he said? Clint, you're a real certifiable asshole. You probably advocate terrorism if it meets with your agenda. You creep. Kim W5TIT |
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writes: "N2EY" wrote in message . com... On cb (this is the short list): - Operation without a license (when licenses were required) - Failure to identify Hey, Jim? Yo! (the original "Rocky" was on the other night - great film) Just a quick question, 'cause I'm going on what goes on around here. Have you ever heard long-time hams of the elder generation who get on a club repeater and routinely forget to identify? Nope. 'round these parts, failure to ID is pretty rare. Sometimes a newbie will forget, and be very gently reminded in an indirect way (say, by having somebody mention the call of everyone in the round table). I've heard entire conversations take place here, where one or more of the long-time hams [probably forget] fail to identify--even when they leave the radio. I've heard that once or twice, maybe - and never from the experienced hams. - False/misleading identification Haven't heard much of that on ham radio. - Power far in excess of legal limit Heck, I wouldn't know if that was taking place without the right test equipment I suppose. I could sure guess it one way or the other or, again, take some hams around here at their word that they "chuckle have a tendency to overdo it now and then to get that " "rare" " one." In some ways it's a bit of a mismatched comparison. If a ham runs, say, 6000 watts output (!) it will only make him/her about 6 db (1 S-unit) louder than the legal limit. But the cber who runs 400 watts out is about 20 dB (almost 3-1/2 S units) over the line. - Use of non-type-accepted/certified equipment Ditto above. Hams are not required to use type-accepted/certified equipment. cb users are. - Operation on unauthorized frequencies Haven't listened long enough at any time to see how much/often I hear this on ham radio. Bet it goes on more than we realize, though(?) Nope. No reason, really. - Intentional interference Hear that all the time on VHF and HF. More common on VHF, though. Must be some real characters down there in TX, Kim. The worst we get up here is when somebody "doubles" on the repeater - and then, just so they don't feel bad, everybody keys their rig at once and makes a heterodyne furball. For about 10 seconds. Not really intentional interference, tho. - Obscenity/profanity/vulgarity Hear that all the time. And, I'd classify calling Democrats Nazis as being vulgar, etc. I hear conversations such as this quite routinely around here--again from long-time hams on their local "club" machines--I guess where they figure they have earned the right to be that way. That's awful. Somebody tried that around here, the machine would go dead. Try it more than once and they'd find nobody would talk to them. Can't say I've ever heard anything like that on CW at all. Ever. Worst was somebody calling somebody a lid for calling the DX on his (the DX's) freq, after he'd announced he was working split. - Contacts beyond the legal distance limit - Contacts beyond the legal time limit Of course, this would be a moot point--for the most part--on ham radio. 'zactly And the big one: - Use of radio to facilitate other illegal activities (such as speed limit violations) Well, gotta hang my head again and say that I hear that routinely done around here on 2M. In fact, you'll hear the proverbial "smokey" reports, and hear of hams bragging all the time about zooming down the highway ("I'm trying to catch up with you, dude, and I'm doing 75; how fast *are* you going?"). Really. 'round here it's tough enough to go the speed limit.... And that all came from where? Just my two pennies worth of stuff that can go on whether it's CB or not. Oh sure. Point is, it was common on cb long before the movies and TV shows came out. It was not common on ham radio back then - or now, around here anyway. And, I agree with you on all the comments about TV, etc., although I like most of the comedy shows on ABC. I see maybe a few hours of TV a week at most. Usually PBS, rented tapes and some of the better comedies. Last week of the summer, was on vacation at a place with cable. 50 odd channels and usually not a thing worth watching. Right now the newest Ken Burns documentary is on. First transcontinental auto trip, done west-to-east, in 1903. Hiram Percy Maxim was an early auto pioneer, too. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"Kim W5TIT" wrote: - Power far in excess of legal limit Heck, I wouldn't know if that was taking place without the right test equipment I suppose. (snip) The more outragious offenders almost always stand out, Kim. For example, if one signal in a area is much stronger than the other signals in that area, that person is very likely using illegal equipment. Plus, those running illegal equipment often give themselves away by doing other modifications to their radios (for example, an overmodulated radio is a sure sign the radio was modified). If you know the person's location, and the antenna used, the simple signal strength meter on most radios can be used for a rough guage. It's simply a matter of knowing what a CB would normally do under those conditions, compared to what that equipment is doing. Of course, none of this is proof enough for the FCC, but all are good informal methods (suggesting more formal tests need to be done). Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
"Dick Carroll" wrote in message ... Clint wrote: "Len Over 21" wrote in message ... Now you can get all upset and indignant, Len old boy, but the facts are the facts. Noooooo...those are just your OPINIONS. :-) Not only that, consider the source... you're dealing with another PCTA type that didn't receive his or her fair share of grey matter such that self-determination isn't possible... it's just "bleat like the rest of the sheep" "CW test good.... modernization bad..... CW test good.... mdernization bad...." Clint One could compare rattlehead with Forrest Gump except that Forrest was a not so bright fellow who did have some common sense... I've noticed that folks that are a bit 'slow' are good at common sense. Rattlehead is the exception that proves the rule. Dan/W4NTI |
"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message ink.net...
"Kim " wrote: - Power far in excess of legal limit Heck, I wouldn't know if that was taking place without the right test equipment I suppose. (snip) The more outragious offenders almost always stand out, Kim. For example, if one signal in a area is much stronger than the other signals in that area, that person is very likely using illegal equipment. Plus, those running illegal equipment often give themselves away by doing other modifications to their radios (for example, an overmodulated radio is a sure sign the radio was modified). If you know the person's location, and the antenna used, the simple signal strength meter on most radios can be used for a rough guage. It's simply a matter of knowing what a CB would normally do under those conditions, compared to what that equipment is doing. Of course, none of this is proof enough for the FCC, but all are good informal methods (suggesting more formal tests need to be done). Or when the person says "gee, guess Ah bettah turn on the afterburner" and the signal jumps up 20 dB..... Shall we resurrect the "47 kW mobile" thread? 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"N2EY" wrote:
Or when the person says "gee, guess Ah bettah turn on the afterburner" and the signal jumps up 20 dB..... Yep, it does somewhat give it away, doesn't it? That reminds me of a drunk CB'er heard with the shortwave one night. Over a course of an hour or so, he contacted maybe a dozen people and asked each one how he sounded. No matter what that person said, he always responded with "Maybe this will help. Ugh!" as he turned on his linear (the "Ugh" was a long, drawn out, grunt). After the initial surprise, I couldn't stop laughing each time he did it. The fact that he was perfectly serious (he was simply that proud of his, possibly new, toy) made it all the more humorous. It all ended with a argument with another CB'er. I couldn't hear what the other CB'er said (cheap shortwave receiver), but I got the impression that he was complaining about interference with another channel. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
"N8WWM" wrote in message ... In article t, Dan/W4NTI says... "Dick Carroll" wrote in message ... Clint wrote: "Len Over 21" wrote in message ... Now you can get all upset and indignant, Len old boy, but the facts are the facts. Noooooo...those are just your OPINIONS. :-) Not only that, consider the source... you're dealing with another PCTA type that didn't receive his or her fair share of grey matter such that self-determination isn't possible... it's just "bleat like the rest of the sheep" "CW test good.... modernization bad..... CW test good.... mdernization bad...." Clint One could compare rattlehead with Forrest Gump except that Forrest was a not so bright fellow who did have some common sense... I've noticed that folks that are a bit 'slow' are good at common sense. Rattlehead is the exception that proves the rule. Dan/W4NTI You are and old fart. Step aside before the tech class run you over, chump. Now thats a funny one. I would have to run backwards for 40 years to allow them to come even, chump. Dan/W4NTI |
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