Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ...


N2EY wrote:

In article , "Clint" rattlehead at
computron dot net writes:



When they drop the morse code test requirement, it's
fairly clear to me they just won't "drop" it all by
itself with a stroke of an administrative pen;

Why not? That's all that most of the anticodetest petitions are asking

for.

Both the NCI and NCVEC petitions simply ask for the dropping of Element

1 and

nothing else.

I don't think it can work by "just" dropping the test. Too many loos
ends. Tech plus, novices, that kind of thing.

- Mike KB3EIA -



Actually it would work quite easily. Everyone keeps their current
privileges except that all varieties of Techs are combined to one class of
Tech with the privileges of the Tech with HF.

It might be interesting to see if any tech's try out Morse code under
those contitions. Bootstrapping themselves to competence?

However, as you know I think they ought to keep the code test.

Me too, but it's nice to have a discussion that doesn't involve Morse code.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Dee D. Flint wrote:





Actually it would work quite easily. Everyone keeps their current
privileges except that all varieties of Techs are combined to one class of
Tech with the privileges of the Tech with HF.



The FCC might require no code techs to do a "paper" upgrade to tech
plus, like they
made pre'87 tech plussers do a paper upgrade to get a general license.
I was one of
these, and decided that I should also upgrade my license to "extra". So
we may see
more new generals happening if the FCC does it this way.

"Robert Casey" wrote in message
...
Dee D. Flint wrote:





Actually it would work quite easily. Everyone keeps their current
privileges except that all varieties of Techs are combined to one class
of
Tech with the privileges of the Tech with HF.



The FCC might require no code techs to do a "paper" upgrade to tech
plus, like they
made pre'87 tech plussers do a paper upgrade to get a general license.
I was one of
these, and decided that I should also upgrade my license to "extra". So
we may see
more new generals happening if the FCC does it this way.


Even a paper upgrade would be unnecessary since the category of Tech Plus
does not exist anymore. These days Techs who pass the code must keep a copy
of their code CSCE to prove it in case they are ever questioned. Currently
when Tech Plus licensees renew, their license simply says Tech and they
should keep a copy of their expired Tech Plus to show they passed the code.
All that the FCC would need to do is issue a ruling that all Techs have the
same privileges as the old Tech Plus or Tech with code. The result is that
they would no longer need to keep a copy of their code CSCE or old Tech Plus
license.


Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Clint" wrote

what do you think will also change in the licensing
system when the drop the morse code test?

Go to http://home.earthlink.net/~k0hb and click on the link "FCC
Comments" in the left column.

That describes the most sensible "post-CW-test" structure.

73, de Hans, K0HB

"Hans K0HB" wrote in message
om...
"Clint" wrote

what do you think will also change in the licensing
system when the drop the morse code test?

Go to http://home.earthlink.net/~k0hb and click on the link "FCC
Comments" in the left column.

That describes the most sensible "post-CW-test" structure.

73, de Hans, K0HB

I like that proposal. But its way to simple to be accepted. Maybe the govt
could spice it up by slicing up the bands...oh sorry. They already tried
that. hi.

Dan/W4NTI

It's actually pretty clear, Dan. The big objective here is to lower
the requirements until anyone can qualify at will without needing to
complain about how hard it is.


That is exactly the way it is working. And heres the Kicker, the next set of
Knuckle Draggers are going to complain the written is to HARD. Then we will
lower it again.
What is amazing is the New Hams think they have done something, by passing a
Dumb Down Test. They also think its perfectly OK, and will use any excuse to
try and say that they are EQUALS. But anybody with any sense at all will know
that it is not TRUE.
Its amazing the extent they go thru to try and Justify Dumbing Down, and
refuse to admit its Dumbing Down.

"WA8ULX" wrote in message
...
It's actually pretty clear, Dan. The big objective here is to lower
the requirements until anyone can qualify at will without needing to
complain about how hard it is.


That is exactly the way it is working. And heres the Kicker, the next set
of
Knuckle Draggers are going to complain the written is to HARD. Then we
will
lower it again.
What is amazing is the New Hams think they have done something, by
passing a
Dumb Down Test. They also think its perfectly OK, and will use any excuse
to
try and say that they are EQUALS. But anybody with any sense at all will
know
that it is not TRUE.
Its amazing the extent they go thru to try and Justify Dumbing Down, and
refuse to admit its Dumbing Down.

Whatcha think Bruce? Are all the 'knuckledraggers' Democrats in training?

Dan/W4NTI

Whatcha think Bruce? Are all the 'knuckledraggers' Democrats in training?

Dan/W4NTI


Either in training, or Full Fledged Members.

In article , Dick Carroll
writes:

N2EY wrote:

The "Tech-with-HF" semi-class is a classic designed-by-a-committee
confuser.


Old engineer pal of mine used to say "An elephant is a horse designed by
a committee."


Heard that one many times - also:

"An elephant is a mouse designed to meet military specifications"

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , Dick Carroll
writes:

Dick Carroll wrote:

Then there is the very strong possibility, given the wording of FCC
documents and statements of staff,--

**wording which NCI members choose to interpret as stating intent to
totally do away with code testing, but which doesn't say that at all**

--that they may NOT drop element one at all, and instead grant
low band HF access to one or more of the current lower grades of license
which now have none. That's a totally justifiable position, the no-code
mantra aside.


Further, the fact has recently surfaced that the UK did exactly this
instead of completely dropping code testing, as was so widely
and loudly stated by NCI members.

It's just not mandatory anymore.

UK issues issue code-tested licenses, and the word is that a majority
of UK hams prefer to take those tests, and qualify as code-licensed hams
with a callsign issued that indicates that fact.

If they want to - but they don't have to.

Perhaps there's a possibility there - have code tests, but have them be
non-mandatory. Perhaps 1x2 calls could be reserved....

73 de Jim, N2EY