In article .net, "Dan/W4NTI"
w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes:

Kim W5TIT

Gawd I wish she would change her pills.

I wish you would start taking some... :-)

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
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In article .net,
"Dan/W4NTI"
w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes:

Kim W5TIT

Gawd I wish she would change her pills.

I wish you would start taking some... :-)

Have I rattled your cage a bit Lenny ? I sure hope so. And BTW I could
care less what you think or say. I just hope I annoy the crap out of you.

Dan/W4NTI

In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote in message
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In article , "Ryan, KC8PMX"
writes:

Just found out today listening to a local, reputable radio station that
Bay,
Saginaw and Midland Counties in Michigan are going to be "test sites" for
BPL, at least for Michigan. I don't know when it will be an actual
reality,
as opposed to being in the planning stages, but will keep current with
their
project!

Ryan,

If you have a 6 meter rig that can go mobile, you're set up to
measure/observe
(and report) BPL interference.

73 de Jim, N2EY

heh heh. Yeah, and any ham worth being a ham would have a 6-meter rig that
can go mobile so they can measure/observe (and report) BPL interference.
Right?

IIRC, Ryan has mentioned being active on 6 meters. So there's a good chance he
has such a rig already.

73 de Jim, N2EY

(N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote in message
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In article , "Ryan, KC8PMX"
writes:

Just found out today listening to a local, reputable radio station that
Bay,
Saginaw and Midland Counties in Michigan are going to be "test sites" for
BPL, at least for Michigan. I don't know when it will be an actual
reality,
as opposed to being in the planning stages, but will keep current with
their
project!

Ryan,

If you have a 6 meter rig that can go mobile, you're set up to
measure/observe
(and report) BPL interference.

73 de Jim, N2EY

heh heh. Yeah, and any ham worth being a ham would have a 6-meter rig that
can go mobile so they can measure/observe (and report) BPL interference.
Right?

IIRC, Ryan has mentioned being active on 6 meters. So there's a good chance he
has such a rig already.

FWIW I haven't run into any documented instances of BPL operating as
high as 50 Mhz yet. The BPL signals I've listened to in the Emmaus PA
ran between 3 Mhz to somewhere just above 22 Mhz. That's pretty narrow
by "broadband standards". If/when they get more users doing who knows
what I suppose the BPL band edges will expand both up & down.

73 de Jim, N2EY

w3rv

"Brian Kelly" wrote in message
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(N2EY) wrote in message
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In article , "Kim W5TIT"

writes:

"N2EY" wrote in message
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In article , "Ryan,
KC8PMX"
writes:

Just found out today listening to a local, reputable radio station
that
Bay,
Saginaw and Midland Counties in Michigan are going to be "test
sites" for
BPL, at least for Michigan. I don't know when it will be an actual
reality,
as opposed to being in the planning stages, but will keep current
with
their
project!

Ryan,

If you have a 6 meter rig that can go mobile, you're set up to
measure/observe
(and report) BPL interference.

73 de Jim, N2EY

heh heh. Yeah, and any ham worth being a ham would have a 6-meter rig
that
can go mobile so they can measure/observe (and report) BPL
interference.
Right?

IIRC, Ryan has mentioned being active on 6 meters. So there's a good
chance he
has such a rig already.

FWIW I haven't run into any documented instances of BPL operating as
high as 50 Mhz yet. The BPL signals I've listened to in the Emmaus PA
ran between 3 Mhz to somewhere just above 22 Mhz. That's pretty narrow
by "broadband standards". If/when they get more users doing who knows
what I suppose the BPL band edges will expand both up & down.

73 de Jim, N2EY

w3rv

Lets see now...3 to 22 Mhz.....80/75, 40, 30, 20, 17 and 15 meters turned
into a wideband wasteland. With plans to expand to 12, 10, and six meters.
Yep...thats a real good thing.

We could all go to 160 and fight the 50/9 QRN most of the year, or 12 and
ten which are dead during the low of the cycle, which we are heading for.

Yep, lots to look forward to.

Dan/W4NTI

"N2EY" wrote in message
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In article , "Ryan, KC8PMX"
writes:

Just found out today listening to a local, reputable radio station that
Bay,
Saginaw and Midland Counties in Michigan are going to be "test sites" for
BPL, at least for Michigan. I don't know when it will be an actual
reality,
as opposed to being in the planning stages, but will keep current with
their
project!

Ryan,

If you have a 6 meter rig that can go mobile, you're set up to
measure/observe
(and report) BPL interference.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Not all of the BPL "pilot" deployments are using spectrum as high as 6m,
though they want to ultimately use "2-80 MHz" if they had large commercial
deployments of paying customers.

Carl - wk3c

"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message ...
"N2EY" wrote in message
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In article , "Ryan, KC8PMX"
writes:

Just found out today listening to a local, reputable radio station that
Bay,
Saginaw and Midland Counties in Michigan are going to be "test sites" for
BPL, at least for Michigan. I don't know when it will be an actual
reality,
as opposed to being in the planning stages, but will keep current with
their
project!

Ryan,

If you have a 6 meter rig that can go mobile, you're set up to
measure/observe
(and report) BPL interference.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Not all of the BPL "pilot" deployments are using spectrum as high as 6m,
though they want to ultimately use "2-80 MHz" if they had large commercial
deployments of paying customers.

Harmonics, Carl, harmonics. Those pulses sounded awful clicky on the
video. You heard 'em yourself - what do you speculate their harmonic
content is like?

If it can be shown that thew harmonics are a source of RFI as well as
the fundamentals, won't that be another tool to use against BPL?

I mentioned 6 meters because Ryan mentioned his interst in that band.

'BPL - it's not just an HF problem'...

73 de Jim, N2EY

"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message
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"N2EY" wrote in message
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In article , "Ryan, KC8PMX"
writes:

Just found out today listening to a local, reputable radio station that
Bay,
Saginaw and Midland Counties in Michigan are going to be "test sites"
for
BPL, at least for Michigan. I don't know when it will be an actual
reality,
as opposed to being in the planning stages, but will keep current with
their
project!

Ryan,

If you have a 6 meter rig that can go mobile, you're set up to
measure/observe
(and report) BPL interference.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Not all of the BPL "pilot" deployments are using spectrum as high as 6m,
though they want to ultimately use "2-80 MHz" if they had large commercial
deployments of paying customers.

Carl - wk3c


Either way, there are the obvious harmonics to consider as well. Granted,
not as strong as the original offending signal, but a problem non-the-less.


I will let ya all know what happens along the way with all of this. As
stated earlier, it would be much cheaper of an investment to get the phone
companies (Ameritech in my case) to put more switching stations to make DSL
more available.......



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Ryan, KC8PMX
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Yeah Jim.... six meter all mode. It's hard as hell to use it right now with
the powerline interference in this freakin' county even before they
implement this whole BPL stuff!!!!!


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Ryan, KC8PMX
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"N2EY" wrote in message
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In article , "Ryan, KC8PMX"
writes:

Just found out today listening to a local, reputable radio station that
Bay,
Saginaw and Midland Counties in Michigan are going to be "test sites" for
BPL, at least for Michigan. I don't know when it will be an actual
reality,
as opposed to being in the planning stages, but will keep current with
their
project!

Ryan,

If you have a 6 meter rig that can go mobile, you're set up to
measure/observe
(and report) BPL interference.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , "Ryan, KC8PMX"
writes:

Yeah Jim.... six meter all mode.

I made a lucky guess.

It's hard as hell to use it right now with
the powerline interference in this freakin' county even before they
implement this whole BPL stuff!!!!!

Oh man...they can't even keep the lines quiet without BPL...

Perhaps their own line noise will mess up BPL performance.

73 de Jim, N2EY