"Dwight Stewart" wrote

After blacks gained control of the South African
government, white employees were routinely replaced
with blacks throughout the country. There was no
criticism of this. After all, since South Africa
belonged to the blacks (the majority), they should
obviously have the jobs, money, and power.

So let me make sure I understand your position......

Using your exact words, but interpolating your statement into US
terms, it would read like this: "Since the US government (President,
Vice President, Congress, the Judiciary) is clearly under white
control, then black employees throughout the country should routinely
be replaced by whites. After all, since the US belongs to the whites
(the majority), they should obviously have the jobs, money, and
power."

Does that fairly represent your position?

Good luck on this one now!

With warmest personal regards,

de Hans, K0HB

"Hans K0HB" wrote:

So let me make sure I understand your position......

Using your exact words, but interpolating your statement
into US terms, it would read like this: "Since the US
government (President, Vice President, Congress, the
Judiciary) is clearly under white control, then black
employees throughout the country should routinely
be replaced by whites. After all, since the US belongs
to the whites (the majority), they should obviously have
the jobs, money, and power."

Does that fairly represent your position?


No, that's not what I said. That what racist liberals said about blacks
(the majority) in South Africa. Now, let's see if I understand your
position. As I see it, your position is that whites should NOT have the
jobs, money, or power exactly because they are the majority - much of it
should be transferred to minorities instead. Is that what you're trying to
say? If not, what exactly are you trying to say, Hans? Where do whites fit
into your grand vision of the perfect America? Where do the minorities fit
into this vision of the perfect America? Are you sure the others races are
going to agree and comply with your vision? Or do you think you just can
whip them into submission by calling them racist when things don't go your
way?

Your amateurish attempts at social engineering are damn scary to me.
You're assuming the minorities are just going to goose step to your views of
a perfect world - that none have an agenda of their own (an agenda that may
not be so rosy for whites in this country). Blindly following that belief,
and ignoring the inherent racism of the single race cultures these
immigrants often come from (they have no desire for multi-race cultures in
their home countries), you're inviting millions into this country each year.
Pardon me if this causes me concerns (concerns you call racism).

Getting back to South Africa, liberals didn't like the white MINORITY
having jobs, money, or power, in South Africa and they don't like the idea o
f the white MAJORITY having jobs, money, or power, in this country. The only
thing consistent about those contradictory views is a dislike of whites,
minority or majority.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dwight Stewart" wrote

As I see it, your position is that whites should NOT have the
jobs, money, or power exactly because they are the majority - much of it
should be transferred to minorities instead.

Dwight,

You have a vivid imagination, but it's damned distorted! Since I
haven't stated my position, whatever you "see" is something that
you're making up on the fly. (In short, you don't have a clue.)

To save you the effort of further imagining, here is my position in
three words.

"Race is irrelevant."

You seem to place great emphasis on race/ethnic background; ipso
facto, you're a racist.

With all kind wishes,

de Hans, K0HB

In article ,
(Hans K0HB) writes:

"Dwight Stewart" wrote

As I see it, your position is that whites should NOT have the
jobs, money, or power exactly because they are the majority - much of it
should be transferred to minorities instead.

Dwight,

You have a vivid imagination, but it's damned distorted! Since I
haven't stated my position, whatever you "see" is something that
you're making up on the fly. (In short, you don't have a clue.)

To save you the effort of further imagining, here is my position in
three words.

"Race is irrelevant."

You seem to place great emphasis on race/ethnic background; ipso
facto, you're a racist.

A review of any U.S. amateur radio periodical of the past half
century will show photographs that U.S. amateur radio
licensees are essentially white and male.

Ergo, U. S. amateur radio is racist? :-)

LHA

(Len Over 21) wrote


A review of any U.S. amateur radio periodical of the past half
century will show photographs that U.S. amateur radio
licensees are essentially white and male.

Ergo, U. S. amateur radio is racist? :-)

Race is irrelevant. The spectrum doesn't care who transmits.

73, de Hans, K0HB
--
Grand Exhalted Liberator of the Electric Smoke

"Hans K0HB" wrote:

To save you the effort of further imagining, here is
my position in three words.

"Race is irrelevant."

You seem to place great emphasis on race/ethnic
background; ipso facto, you're a racist.


You only say that because I'm white. If that were not the case, you'd be
saying the same thing to Condoleezza Rice (Nat, Sec, Advisor), Colin Powell
(Sec, of State), Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Mary Berry (Chair, US Com. on
Civil Rights), and a very long list of other minorities who think race and
race issues are very relevant in this country. Why should it be any less so
for whites? In reality, your open criticism of whites who talk about race,
without criticism of other races who do the same, only demonstrates your own
racism towards other whites.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message hlink.net...
"Hans K0HB" wrote:

To save you the effort of further imagining, here is
my position in three words.

"Race is irrelevant."

You seem to place great emphasis on race/ethnic
background; ipso facto, you're a racist.


You only say that because I'm white.

Nope, I don't care what color you call yourself. I type slower so you
can read my lips -----

"R a c e i s i r r e l e v a n t."

With kindest personal regards,

de Hans, K0HB

Dwight Stewart wrote:



You only say that because I'm white. If that were not the case, you'd be
saying the same thing to Condoleezza Rice (Nat, Sec, Advisor), Colin Powell
(Sec, of State), Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Mary Berry (Chair, US Com. on
Civil Rights), and a very long list of other minorities who think race and
race issues are very relevant in this country. Why should it be any less so
for whites? In reality, your open criticism of whites who talk about race,
without criticism of other races who do the same, only demonstrates your own
racism towards other whites.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

Lets see, we can have an all black mayors conference, but just listen to
the uproar from all the Jesse Jackson idiots if we tried to have an all
white mayors conference. We can have a Miss Black America contest but
what a howl there would be if we attempted to have a Miss White America
contest. Yea Hans, it is just the whites that are racist.

"JJ" wrote in message
...
Dwight Stewart wrote:



You only say that because I'm white. If that were not the case, you'd
be
saying the same thing to Condoleezza Rice (Nat, Sec, Advisor), Colin
Powell
(Sec, of State), Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Mary Berry (Chair, US Com.
on
Civil Rights), and a very long list of other minorities who think race
and
race issues are very relevant in this country. Why should it be any less
so
for whites? In reality, your open criticism of whites who talk about
race,
without criticism of other races who do the same, only demonstrates your
own
racism towards other whites.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

Lets see, we can have an all black mayors conference, but just listen to
the uproar from all the Jesse Jackson idiots if we tried to have an all
white mayors conference. We can have a Miss Black America contest but
what a howl there would be if we attempted to have a Miss White America
contest. Yea Hans, it is just the whites that are racist.


It behooves all of us to be just as indignant about racism in any venue,
regardless of ethnicity of the racist.

That having been said, I can understand some of the seclusion each race
enjoys from others, IF the purpose is cultural. What is specific to a black
mayors conference are those things specifically related to black issues in
the community(ies) they represent. I am certain that if there were issues
that needed addressing in a "whites only" venue, then you'd see a white
mayors conference and, honestly, I am not so sure there isn't one. What we
may find generally attractive in a representative for the United States in a
Miss America, is totally different from what the Black/Negro/Colored
(depending on the part of society and geographical/historical perspective
you come from) find in a representative specific to Black America.

I also don't see those things as racist and I am wondering if you really do.
I mean, the "race" card--as its so affectionately come to be known--can be
played anywhere. And, there are people just stammering to be offended, no
matter what. I disregard them. I don't see that a all male organization is
necessarily discriminatory, either. Do you? I would hope not and, if you
do not, then why is there a problem for you with a all _________ (whatever
race) organization? What about a sports organization that won't allow
women? What about.....???

Kim W5TIT

"Kim W5TIT" wrote:
It behooves all of us to be just as indignant about
racism in any venue, regardless of ethnicity of the
racist.


But whites are often the sole receipient of that indignation, Kim. Show me
a message anywhere in any of these newsgroups at any time where you've
expressed any indignation whatsoever about the racism of any other racial
group. If you're typical, I seriously doubt you can do so. Instead, you
attempt to explain away the racism of others like you've done below.


That having been said, I can understand some of the
seclusion each race enjoys from others, IF the purpose
is cultural. What is specific to a black mayors
conference are those things specifically related to black
issues in the community(ies) they represent. (snip)


I thought a mayor is elected to represent the whole community, not solely
the "black issues in the community(ies) they represent." What about the
whites issues in the communities they represent? Why aren't those black
mayors getting together to discuss those? Since those black mayors won't,
who does address those issues? Absolutely nobody is the only answer. If a
white mayor, or any other politician (black or white, police chief to
president), expresses even a hint of concern for white issues, the word
"racist" is immediately thrown around. In the end, a concern for whites is
just about an ultimate sin in this government. And it is going to stay that
way until whites start demanding some representation for their issues in
this government.


I am certain that if there were issues that needed addressing
in a "whites only" venue, then you'd see a white mayors
conference and, honestly, I am not so sure there isn't one.


Be serious, Kim. First, I suspect a conference like that would be
considered illegal by the Justice Department - minorities can but whites
cannot. Second, if such a conference were held, groups throughout the
country would be out outraged, demonstrations would be held, lawsuits would
be filed, and people like you would be running around screaming your
indignation again.


What we may find generally attractive in a representative for
the United States in a Miss America, is totally different from
what the Black/Negro/Colored (depending on the part of
society and geographical/historical perspective you come from)
find in a representative specific to Black America.


And that justifies the intentional and specific exclusion of other races
in those pageants? Why would what you say not be true for whites, yet such
an event held by whites which specificially excludes other races is illegal.

And I'll add to JJ's examples. What about black colleges which exclude
other races? What about black owned businesses with not a single white
employee in the entire building (many in my town alone)? What about the
"Negro College Fund" which offers benefits only to blacks. What about "Black
Entertainment Television?" I could list more. The point is that it would all
be illegal (discrimination) if done by whites.


I don't see that a all male organization is necessarily
discriminatory, either. (snip)


If the goals of that male-only organization were to promote the political
and/or social advancement of males, would you still hold that same opinion?


What about a sports organization that won't allow women?


Based on physical strength, not racial, social, or ethnic, considerations,
Kim. There is a huge difference.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/