"Kim" wrote in message ...
"N2EY" wrote in message
om...
"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...
But its perfectly okay to pay some union bum a ton of wages for doing a
repetitive task, (a skill that same 14 y.o. that passed a ham test
could
do) therefore jacking the cost of a product, lets say a car for this
example, to a ridiculous price??? (actually both the fast food worker
and
the person on the line at the factory ARE BOTH doing repetitive
tasks....)

Hold on a sec....

"union bum"?

The basic concept that Dwight is talking about is a "living wage" -
meaning jobs that pay enough in wages and benefits to permit people to
live above the poverty line *without* government help. Yes, paying a
living wage makes products and services cost more, but it also removes
people from the govt. support system.

Some say "the marketplace" should set wages. But "the marketplace" is
tilted by a bunch of factors, such as the exportation of jobs and the
importation of workers.

The "living wage" concept and reality are largely a result of
organized labor unions leveling the playing field a bit by unifying
the many workers in negotiating with the relatively few employees. The
really smart employers learned to treat their workers well enough that
they wouldn't unionize.

Look at what working conditions were like in various industries
100-150 years ago, before organized labor had any real power.

Believe it or not, there are alot more people out there trying to
survive on
the poverty level wages. Based strictly on my local region, that would
be
any job under 9-10 dollars per hour before taxes and if any, benefits.
And
unfortunately some of these people are NOT counted, in the unemployment
or
other job related statistics, if they are not participating in the
various
government programs like the employment security commision that Michigan
has... (think its called MichiganWorks)

Yep. $20,000/yr isn't much at all anymore in many parts of the
country. Not to raise a family, anyway.

As for the $15 burrito and coke at Taco Bell, think about this:

At least here in EPA, we have a decent selection of independent diners
as an alternative to the fast food chains. The food in them is not
much more expensive than the chains, and usually better for you. The
workers in those places make at least as much as the fast food chains.
One reason for their survival is that they don't spend bazillions on
advertising. Another is local loyalty of customers.

So what's the answer, Dwight - Ryan - Kim?

73 de Jim, N2EY

I'm out of it...speculation won't solve a thing and I choose not to be as
depressed and bitter and hateful as others...

Kim,

I hope you weren't referring to me....

73 de Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote in message
om...
"Kim" wrote in message
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"N2EY" wrote in message

At least here in EPA, we have a decent selection of independent diners
as an alternative to the fast food chains. The food in them is not
much more expensive than the chains, and usually better for you. The
workers in those places make at least as much as the fast food chains.
One reason for their survival is that they don't spend bazillions on
advertising. Another is local loyalty of customers.

So what's the answer, Dwight - Ryan - Kim?

73 de Jim, N2EY

I'm out of it...speculation won't solve a thing and I choose not to be
as
depressed and bitter and hateful as others...

Kim,

I hope you weren't referring to me....

73 de Jim, N2EY

Oh goodness...no. I was specifically referring to Dwight...

Kim W5TIT

"Kim W5TIT" wrote:
"N2EY" wrote:
"Kim" wrote:
I'm out of it...speculation won't solve a thing and I
choose not to be as depressed and bitter and
hateful as others...

I hope you weren't referring to me....

Oh goodness...no. I was specifically referring to Dwight.


Grow up, Kim. If you can't handle spirited discussion and debate, then
you're clearly in the wrong place because most of these newsgroups were
created for exactly that - not pleasant, dainty, little discussions that
never offend your delicate, child-like, sensibilities. Regardless, if you
post obstinate and contrary opinions in these newsgroups, then you should
expect, and be prepared for, obstinate and contrary responses (without
crying about it for days afterwards). Whatever the case, I wasn't put on
this Earth to cater to your sensibilities, so will only consider that to a
limited extent when responding to what you post (and it will be a cold day
in Hades before I consider it at all when you attack me personally).


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
link.net...
"Kim W5TIT" wrote:
"N2EY" wrote:
"Kim" wrote:
I'm out of it...speculation won't solve a thing and I
choose not to be as depressed and bitter and
hateful as others...

I hope you weren't referring to me....

Oh goodness...no. I was specifically referring to Dwight.


Grow up, Kim. If you can't handle spirited discussion and debate, then
you're clearly in the wrong place because most of these newsgroups were
created for exactly that - not pleasant, dainty, little discussions that
never offend your delicate, child-like, sensibilities. Regardless, if you
post obstinate and contrary opinions in these newsgroups, then you should
expect, and be prepared for, obstinate and contrary responses (without
crying about it for days afterwards). Whatever the case, I wasn't put on
this Earth to cater to your sensibilities, so will only consider that to a
limited extent when responding to what you post (and it will be a cold day
in Hades before I consider it at all when you attack me personally).


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/



Dwight in training for the Larry Roll Project...

Kim W5TIT