"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
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"N2EY" wrote:

As Kim points out, look elsewhere. The 'net gives
us a powerful tool to find other sources. The problem
is that you may have to wait for the item, and pay
more for it (delivery vs. sales tax).


But I shouldn't have to do that, Jim. I don't think a quality fan should
be an esoteric item requiring a nation-wide search. Yet that is exactly
the
case. And this was only one example - I run into similar situations just
about every day of the week. By the way, the fans are purchased locally
because that's in the contract.


Now I see what you are doing. You are OVER reacting to any little thing
just to try and hang on to whatever concept it is you have, Dwight.
"Nationwide search?" That is hysterical! It took me less than one minute
to find that fan--and that was at the top of the search list; there were
hundreds to look at.

It took me less than 2 minutes to "happen" to look last night while I was at
Wal-Mart. Now, true, they are a nationwide outlet so you may have to travel
the nation before you find one of those stores--but they had more than one
choice of metal fans. So, don't know why you can't find 'em.


Because whether such ideas work or not is largely
dependent on those details.



I wasn't aware we were here to make a particular idea work. This is a
general discussion in a newsgroup. Anything more than that would require
considerable time (which I place a high value on) and a research &
development budget (which I haven't seen anyone offer).


'Scuse me? Surely you are basing the content of your opinions on at least
*some* kind of facts that you've either experienced or heard, or whatever,
over the course of your life. In fact, I bet I can find a comment you made
to me in this thread that lends itself to not basing my opinions from out of
thin air! And, if you wish to be a proponent of something, it's nearly
imperative that you be able to convince others why it's a good idea. Maybe
that's why your ideas flop; and why the American people don't change things
as they need to be changed.


Because it's their responsibility. Part of a free market
economy is being a *customer*, not a *consumer*.

Again, shoppers are going to the store to ponder the global economic
implications of the purchases they make. It is absurd to even expect them
to
do so (see my next paragraph below).


I think you probably meant "aren't" above. And, while I don't ponder global
economic implications with every shopping experience, I certainly do a lot
of the time. I don't buy strictly "American," either. One blaring example
is that since the Exxon Valdez oil spill, I have never bought gasoline from
Exxon. Now, have researched what other companies own or are owned by Exxon?
No. It would probably frustrate the heck out of me to realize it, though.
I feel personally gratified by not buying their gasoline. I don't really do
it to make a statement to the world--but I should.


Then they should not complain when the hardware store
and the American power tool plants shut down, quality
degrades, unemployment rises, etc.


Jim, short of setting up a dictatorship, you're never going to get even
a
significant portion of the 280 million people in this country to shop the
way you want.


See Jim? Give a dog a bone and he buries it. When someone submits
something contrary to the way Dwight wants everything to be--*without*
substantiated concepts I might add--by *his* own admission--he suddenly gets
short and impatient with others.


Consumers in general have neither the business awareness or
economic awareness to make those types of decisions on their own.


So, as in real debate, let's bring this full-circle. You are stating that
consumers--presumably *American* consumers--are too lazy and/or incapable of
business or economic awareness to decide "smart" shopping decisions?! And,
just leaving that by itself, you blare out at *ME* for the idea that
immigrant workers are more willing to do the jobs of "less importance" than
most Americans will do?! Ludicrous at best.


And they
also certainly don't have the time or money to fully research an industry
each time they want to go shopping for something.


They sure do. And many do. We live in an information glut these days. If
someone can't get information they are looking for, they need to ask someone
how to find it--because it's pretty much there and it's there fairly
quickly.


Business darn well knows
all that, which is exactly why they point to consumer spending as the main
cause of a poor economy. Doing so absolves business of any responsibility
for that economic situation and instead places the entire nation's
economic
burden, and sole blame for a bad economy (and blame for the things you
list
above), on consumers alone. Business has some responsibility in all this.
Your argument gives them a free ride when it comes to that responsibility.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/



Oh OK. It's always going to be the corporate entity's fault. Now, speak of
liberal slinging...

Kim W5TIT