"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
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"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
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Yeah..... that may be true but circumstances now have forced many to
suffer
with it as a "living" wage.


Yeah that's the same "victim" argument some of my friends made when I went
to college and they didn't. But I sacrificed to go to college. My
parents
didn't pay for it.


Thats assuming a certain age too. I have sacraficed as well, but do the
math, at 5-7 bucks an hour, trying to support your self, in the minimal of
settings, (housing, transportation etc.) and also have funds to pay for
college does not always work as conviently as you prescribe. I have been
working on my degree since 1989, and am almost done. Unfortunately you live
in some type of world where kids are allowed to live with the parents above
the age of 18. Myself, as well as many others do not have that luxury.



I worked a minimum wage job, lived at home, did not buy a car, did not buy
records and so on. I put the money aside and did without so I could go to
college. So that "circumstances" argument is pretty shakey. And don't
try
the "pregnant and alone teenager" argument either. I knew some of them in
college and they made it too.

Again, not all people have the luxury of living off the parents beyond
graduation of high school. To expect every person to have been in the exact
same circumstances as you is also pretty shakey as well. As far as the
pregnant teenager issue, I wasn't gonna mention that one either.


People allow themselves to fail and become victims of circumstance.

Following that logic, then the people IN the WTC buildings are also as well
then......


Ryan KC8PMX

"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
.com...

"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...
Yeah..... that may be true but circumstances now have forced many to
suffer
with it as a "living" wage.


Yeah that's the same "victim" argument some of my friends made when I
went
to college and they didn't. But I sacrificed to go to college. My
parents
didn't pay for it.


Thats assuming a certain age too. I have sacraficed as well, but do the
math, at 5-7 bucks an hour, trying to support your self, in the minimal of
settings, (housing, transportation etc.) and also have funds to pay for
college does not always work as conviently as you prescribe. I have been
working on my degree since 1989, and am almost done. Unfortunately you
live
in some type of world where kids are allowed to live with the parents
above
the age of 18. Myself, as well as many others do not have that luxury.


Once I started college, I was only at home in the summers and paid all my
own expenses when not at home.

Due to various ups and downs in life, my daughter is going to college
entirely on her own nickel today and will graduate in May. She has not
lived at home at all since the age of 18.



I worked a minimum wage job, lived at home, did not buy a car, did not
buy
records and so on. I put the money aside and did without so I could go
to
college. So that "circumstances" argument is pretty shakey. And don't
try
the "pregnant and alone teenager" argument either. I knew some of them
in
college and they made it too.

Again, not all people have the luxury of living off the parents beyond
graduation of high school. To expect every person to have been in the
exact
same circumstances as you is also pretty shakey as well. As far as the
pregnant teenager issue, I wasn't gonna mention that one either.


There are still ways even if they can't live at home. My daughter is a case
in point.


People allow themselves to fail and become victims of circumstance.

Following that logic, then the people IN the WTC buildings are also as
well
then......


No it does not follow. The people in the WTC buildings were subject to a
circumstance that no one could ever have even guessed might happen or
foreseen might happen. That was not within their power to prevent or solve.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

People allow themselves to fail and become victims of circumstance.

Following that logic, then the people IN the WTC buildings are also as
well
then......


No it does not follow. The people in the WTC buildings were subject to a
circumstance that no one could ever have even guessed might happen or
foreseen might happen. That was not within their power to prevent or
solve.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


According to your statement, an absolutism, yes they were in control. THEY
chose to work in that building. THEY chose to go to work that day, not
calling in sick or taking a vacation day.



--
Ryan KC8PMX

"Never take life too seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway."

"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...


People allow themselves to fail and become victims of circumstance.

Following that logic, then the people IN the WTC buildings are also as
well
then......


No it does not follow. The people in the WTC buildings were subject to
a
circumstance that no one could ever have even guessed might happen or
foreseen might happen. That was not within their power to prevent or
solve.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


According to your statement, an absolutism, yes they were in control.
THEY
chose to work in that building. THEY chose to go to work that day, not
calling in sick or taking a vacation day.



No you are misinterpreting my point of view. There was no data for them to
base a choice on so no choice was truly possible and there was no
possibility for them to control their fate. The WTC terror allowed no more
choice than a lightning bolt does.

However people who chose to stay on welfare instead of move when the local
economy in their area crashed, have chosen to fail. They have data. The
local business closed. They can evaluate or guess whether it will ever
reopen. They can choose to follow the jobs or they can choose to stay there
and be poor. There are still people in Portsmouth, Ohio waiting for the
steel mills to reopen. These mills closed decades ago yet people are still
waiting.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE