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"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message hlink.net...
"N2EY" wrote:

As Kim points out, look elsewhere. The 'net gives
us a powerful tool to find other sources. The problem
is that you may have to wait for the item, and pay
more for it (delivery vs. sales tax).


But I shouldn't have to do that, Jim.


Why not, Dwight?

I don't think a quality fan should
be an esoteric item requiring a nation-wide search. Yet that is exactly the
case.


That's today's reality, brought about by a number of factors such as
the willingness of people to buy cheap stuff.

And this was only one example - I run into similar situations just
about every day of the week. By the way, the fans are purchased locally
because that's in the contract.


Then the contract should be changed because it's not cost-effective in
the long run.

Because whether such ideas work or not is largely
dependent on those details.


I wasn't aware we were here to make a particular idea work. This is a
general discussion in a newsgroup. Anything more than that would require
considerable time (which I place a high value on) and a research &
development budget (which I haven't seen anyone offer).


I'm simply saying that the hard work is in the details.

Because it's their responsibility. Part of a free market
economy is being a *customer*, not a *consumer*.


Again, shoppers are going to the store to ponder the global economic
implications of the purchases they make. It is absurd to even expect them to
do so (see my next paragraph below).


I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect them to do so! It's part
of life in a modern industrialized society with global trade.

Then they should not complain when the hardware store
and the American power tool plants shut down, quality
degrades, unemployment rises, etc.


Jim, short of setting up a dictatorship, you're never going to get even a
significant portion of the 280 million people in this country to shop the
way you want.


No dictatorship needed. Just education. Look at how Hans' company
deals with suppliers - all those principles apply to individuals as
well. Sure, we individuals aren't going to make detailed
investigations of every product we buy, but we *can* become better
educated about them and make better choices. Just like Hans' and many
other companies do.

Consumers in general have neither the business awareness or
economic awareness to make those types of decisions on their own.


Then they need to learn. Just like our ancestors had to learn how to
deal with their environment.

And they
also certainly don't have the time or money to fully research an industry
each time they want to go shopping for something.


They don't have to. The govt. requires all sorts of labels on all
sorts of items, which means all one needs to know is how to interpret
those labels. Outfits like Consumer's Union do product testing so we
don't have to. And the 'net gives us access to enormous amounts of
information.

Business darn well knows
all that, which is exactly why they point to consumer spending as the main
cause of a poor economy.


Do you think they're going to blame themselves?

Doing so absolves business of any responsibility
for that economic situation and instead places the entire nation's economic
burden, and sole blame for a bad economy (and blame for the things you list
above), on consumers alone.


I disagree. All businesses are regulated to some degree - many to a
very high degree. And in many cases it's justified, on the basis of
safety.

Business has some responsibility in all this.
Your argument gives them a free ride when it comes to that responsibility.


Not at all.

My point is that *everyone* has some responsibility in all this.
Business, government, and customers are all part of it. Every purchase
we make is "voting with our wallets". But some people don't want that
responsibility, because it takes some effort and it detracts from the
perfect images we see in advertisements.

For example, it doesn't take a degree in nutrition to know that if
someone eats 3000 calories a day and only burns off 2000 calories a
day, they're going to gain weight and keep gaining it until something
changes. And the required changes (eating less, eating differently,
becoming more active) may not be 100% fun. In fact, they may be 0%
fun.

And it doesn't take a degree in economics to know that if enough
people stop going to Ma's Diner and instead patronize Taco Heaven,
that Ma's is going to go out of business.

73 de Jim, N2EY
 
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